Any optimism?

[Tiger74]

TW has gone and we still are getting this stat.

no offence meant, but gotd I got sick of hearing this stat week in week out.

its only an excuse for so long.

last weeks stat is due to us now having a different approach to see out the season. It wouldn't be like that if we were still serius about 2009.

where or not you like it (or Terry used it) is irrelevant. The reality is we went into the game with the second youngest Richmond side in memory, and with the Saints having nearly double the experience of our guys. Thats not spin or BS - look at the 22 who took the field, outside Cousins and Tuck there was not a lot of age or experience on the track.

 

[doherz]

I am not sure if I am optimistic but more hopeful that this football department review will uncover the problems and put plans in place to rectify them. Added resources to areas which need them, a new coaching staff with new ideas and a focus on the "non negotiables" which will better develop the young players and get them playing a better brand of football. Hopefully, we are at our lowest ebb right now and will only improve from here.

Personally i thought we couldnt stoop any lower than the post spud days. How wrong i was.

 

[doherz]

TW has gone and we still are getting this stat.

no offence meant, but gotd I got sick of hearing this stat week in week out.

its only an excuse for so long.

last weeks stat is due to us now having a different approach to see out the season. It wouldn't be like that if we were still serius about 2009.

To correct you, i believe it wouldt be like that if the players in the 100-200 game area hadnt all been delisted or traded in years gone by. Which correlates to recruiting well 7-10 years ago, which we did not do. We are STILL be haunted by Spud, Casey, Miller days. TW's and FJ's recruiting may or may not have similar results in 5 years, but something tells me our current crop of kids are going to be alright. Its the next 4 years of recruiting that will tell the tale.

TW's game plan was no good. But he is not solely responsible for the list's present state. Nor is spud. Its a mixture at present.

 

[U2Tigers]

where or not you like it (or Terry used it) is irrelevant. The reality is we went into the game with the second youngest Richmond side in memory, and with the Saints having nearly double the experience of our guys. Thats not spin or BS - look at the 22 who took the field, outside Cousins and Tuck there was not a lot of age or experience on the track.

I know it reads right - and more relevant today then it was when used by TW.

He used it when he had the Richos, Bowdens, Browns, Pettifers, Mcmahon, Simmonds............... all playing.

my post was basically saying I get sick of hearing that stat regardless how true it is. he overused it in his time thats for sure.

 

[chislop]

Of course I am optimistic...wouldn't be any point following the footy if I wasn't.

 

[Scoop]

play kids and hit the draft hard - optimism will follow

That should be the slogan for the next five years. People can live with that if you stick to it.

 

[gustiger12]

I must admit my optimism now revolves around getting the process right and finally selecting a coach that will take this club forward. The timings will mean it won't happen over night, but lets hope that it can set the foundation for a solid future

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

TW has gone and we still are getting this stat.

no offence meant, but gotd I got sick of hearing this stat week in week out.

its only an excuse for so long.

last weeks stat is due to us now having a different approach to see out the season. It wouldn't be like that if we were still serius about 2009.

Fair enough that you're sick of hearing age-related stats, but it's a different situation now to that under Wallace. The current side has a similar level of experience to many of our teams of the late 80's/early 90's.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Fair enough that you're sick of hearing age-related stats, but it's a different situation now to that under Wallace. The current side has a similar level of experience to many of our teams of the late 80's/early 90's.

L2R2R in that awesome data base you clearly have do you have a comparable stat of the least experienced team played in the Wallace era?

 

[kengroovy]

My choice is to sick with the club for richer or poorer, for better or worse. I'm glad I have that choice and I am confident one day things will turn around for us. It will be all the sweeter for having stood by them in the tough times

I think we are all sick with the club !! Good post though.
My brightside:
We will have a new coach, we are profitable, stable in the Board / Admin depts, getting new facilities, still the best song.
On the field, ....... Oh yes there are some: Some new debutants who look to have a future. We will be OK, but alas, it might take time again. Still, look on the other side - Jim Stynes and others in a health problem - if our footy woes are the worst thing happening, we must be OK in other areas.
Rememeber too, we nearly beat Geelong. Last year we beat Hawthorn. Funny game and anything can happen and usually does. So cheer up everyone and stir up the yellow and black in your blood.

 

[tigers80]

nonewhatsoever

 

[CarnTheTiges]

To correct you, i believe it wouldt be like that if the players in the 100-200 game area hadnt all been delisted or traded in years gone by. Which correlates to recruiting well 7-10 years ago, which we did not do. We are STILL be haunted by Spud, Casey, Miller days. TW's and FJ's recruiting may or may not have similar results in 5 years, but something tells me our current crop of kids are going to be alright. Its the next 4 years of recruiting that will tell the tale.

TW's game plan was no good. But he is not solely responsible for the list's present state. Nor is spud. Its a mixture at present.

You've got it right, doherz. A few years with a decent coach, intelligent recruiting and a proper coaching department can work wonders on a side like the once mighty Tigers. I'm hoping that after so many mistakes Richmond can finally get it right and 5 years from now we won't just be hoping to make the finals we'll be disappointed if we don't get top 4 and give the rest of the comp a real shake.

 

[the claw]

Richo making a comeback later this season?

no no no and bloody no. let him return next yr if at all. one positive for the yr wll be two picks around 18 and 19.
playing kids lots of kids and more kids is a positive play em all and enjoy the draft picks. its a win win from here on in.

 

[zgod]

This week is a new game. We may pull off an upset.
Next year is a new year.
New coach.
We are proud.
We have history.
We have a future,
We are not that bad.
GO TIGES!!!!

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

L2R2R in that awesome data base you clearly have do you have a comparable stat of the least experienced team played in the Wallace era?

Year Avg Min R Op Mgn Rd
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2005 104.8 82.9 L Fr 27 19
2006 83.2 66.5 L Sy 118 7
2007 79.5 66.1 L Ge 157 6
2008 86.2 76.7 W WC 77 15
2009 81.7 71.7 W NM 36 5
---------------------------
All 87.7 66.1

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Year Avg Min R Op Mgn Rd
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2005 104.8 82.9 L Fr 27 19
2006 83.2 66.5 L Sy 118 7
2007 79.5 66.1 L Ge 157 6
2008 86.2 76.7 W WC 77 15
2009 81.7 71.7 W NM 36 5
---------------------------
All 87.7 66.1

Thanks, so compared to your earlier table (below) clearly Wallace's teams certainly weren't old, but he never played a team anywhere near as young as what went out last weekend



129.3 Western Bulldogs
122.9 Geelong
113.4 St.Kilda
112.4 Sydney
100.6 Port Adelaide
92.1 Adelaide
91.9 Collingwood
89.2 North Melbourne
88.2 Fremantle
86.3 Essendon
82.5 Brisbane
82.5 Hawthorn
78.0 Carlton
73.7 West Coast
72.3 Melbourne
53.9 Richmond

 

[shawry]

I expect Richmond to win every game they run out in. I'm rarely correct these days but at least I have something to look forward to each week. When we lose yet again I lose my positivity for a day or two, then I start believing again.

Those who give their opinions an air of superiority on here tell me I'm deluded and don't have a clue but it's the way I am. I'd get no enjoyment in hoping Richmond lose games of footy, and the times we crack a win make me very happy.

I don't think in depth about the future or tanking for points etc. That kind of negativity is no more productive than me looking forward to a win and it's nowhere near as enjoyable.

I don't have the passion I used to have for footy and sometimes wonder if I'll ever get it back. I don't get as elated after a win and I'm not like a bear with a sore head after we lose these days.

My optimism is counting my blessings that I'm still able to support Richmond, watch them play and discuss them in depth. The club is a big part of my life.

Sadly I know too many people this year who no longer have the option of experiencing the highs and lows of football. I've found out the hard way that it's really just game and life's too short to get too upset about.

My choice is to sick with the club for richer or poorer, for better or worse. I'm glad I have that choice and I am confident one day things will turn around for us. It will be all the sweeter for having stood by them in the tough times

Me and you are very alike in our support of Richmond Rosy. Could not have summed up how I feel better than that. I will never go into a game thinking we wont win it. Not my nature. I honestly have that hope and feeling every time.

 

[HK Tiger]

I am an eternal optimist, this year I expected top 8 - werent we all deceived! I am at a loss how this team went backwards from last year. That being said a new coach and players fighting for next year we could easily turn it around. I am glad we are finding out who has heart and those who do not.
I agree its time to move on 5-8 players this year
I will be glad to see Simmo, Kane, McMahon, Pettifer, Brownie, JON, *smile* and Putt to go. Others on the borderline are Hughes, Bowden, King

I am sad we lost pick 18 for McMahon, look at Callan Ward of Bulldogs we really dudded there

Anyway some good picks and possibly a trade or two.....

 

[RedanTiger]

belief is as strong as ability in team sport.

That's it in a nutshell.

Watching the WCE v Hawks game last week made me realise how powerful is belief.
Hawthorn won the premiership and last week were worse than us.

Reasons to be optimistic.

A) Miller and Wallace have gone - soon to be followed by others.
B) The poor culture is dying out as young players know that playing for a pay packet is cheating yourself.
C) We have good finances and direction off-field.
D) The problems of the past are at last being recognised (and rectified).