Are our Training Staff up to Scratch

[gustiger12]

Before I start this is not a side swipe at anyone at the Richmond Football club and I have no knowledge of the current conditioning staff, but feel the question must be asked given our recent run of soft tissue issues.

Anyone have a more qualified opinion please feel free to comment,

This must be the worst run of soft tissue injuries we have seen at the club for a while.

Is it coincidence, all our games at the dome or are we just bloody plain unlucky.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Interesting question Gus...seems at a glance that it's practically all senior players with the soft-tissue problems. Whether it's a case of Wallace driving them harder than in the past (either through training schedule or gameplan) or not we can only speculate, but it does seem a bit coincidental that few of our juniors have soft-tissue injuries and almost all our seniors do.

Perhaps another sign of the changing of the guard?

 

[feisty tige]

Not to be mean or anything, but maybe our older players didn't know what was expected and when Wallace came he started training them as they should be trained, maybe their bodies were not used to it, oh yeah, and they are getting older, so that wouldn't help.

 

[crackertiger]

Next week will have almost all of them back at training (except Thursfield & Brown).

Schulz
Johnson
*smile*
Kellaway
Hall
Roach
Moore

 

[wayno]

In reply to this i agree soft tissue injuries have come at a bad time but is it really Richmonds Trainers fault for some of these injuries?

Nathan Brown - Did they ask for Whelan to smash his leg in half?
*smile* - Did they ask Hamill to smash him to the ground
Roach - Did they smash his Jaw
Thursfield - Did they ask Lenny Hayes to snap his knee by falling on him.


Injuries are part of our great game, Richmond have had some bad injuries to some key players.

And in relation to injuries to the older players, they need to do the work to keep up, if they arent prepared to do the work then do they belong.

The only cure for injuries in getting depth to the club to cover the players out.

 

[pahoffm]

The soft tissue injuries are mainly with the older players around 30 - Gaspar, Kellaway & Johnson. Hall, at 26yo, is the only exception.

It just works not to have too many players around 30yo, and not to work them too hard.

 

[TigerArmySoldier01]

Calf injuries are usually related to overuse but can also be related to improper foot wear or biomechanical problems. Hamstrings once they have gone in one season are the most likely factor in re injury although there are training procedures to reduce the likely hood. Its not always just abt regaining strength in the muscle! A stronger muscle doesnt neccesarily mean that its beta than before!

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Hall and Kellaway were injured after a match at the G, and Gaspar and Johnson after Subiaco, so the Dome has nothing to do with it.

 

[BloodOath]

The soft tissue injuries are mainly with the older players around 30 - Gaspar, Kellaway & Johnson. Hall, at 26yo, is the only exception.

It just works not to have too many players around 30yo, and not to work them too hard.

My understanding is that Moore is also a soft tissue injury

 

[Ian4]

please correct me if i'm wrong, but is it true we have the same training staff as we did in the spud the dud days?

 

[gustiger12]

Nathan Brown - Did they ask for Whelan to smash his leg in half?
*smile* - Did they ask Hamill to smash him to the ground
Roach - Did they smash his Jaw
Thursfield - Did they ask Lenny Hayes to snap his knee by falling on him.

These arent the type of injuries I am referring too.

Oh and year a little birdie told me that they didn't really ask anyone to help them out with them either. ;D

It may well be coincidence and as I said I have no idea if the two are related or not, but we do seem to have had a disproportionate number of soft tissue injuries.

Maybe its just those sailors legs that TW spoke about. ;D

 

[gustiger12]

please correct me if i'm wrong, but is it true we have the same training staff as we did in the spud the dud days?

I believe partly Ian. I understand that someone left or was moved on, but I am sure someone can give a more accurate version of events than I can.

This was one of the things that prompted me to ask the question, but I am certainly looking at it from a very distant outsider so I could be way of the mark.

 

[Ridley]

I don't really have an issue with the training staff with regards to soft tissue injuries. Johnson has had a history of hamstring injuries his entire career, even at Adelaide; Gaspar is a mystery as I can't work out how anyone who moves as slow as him can do a hamstring; Hall and kellaway are both listed as "soreness" whatever that means. The rest are not soft tissue injuries.

The issue I do have is the recent historical inability of RFC players, particularly midfielders, to develop into real hard, tough, strong bodied and aggressive footballers. I'm not sure what sort of weights programs we use but our players are twigs compared to the onballers from many other clubs; West Coast, Adelaide, Sydney, Str.Kilda, Geelong in particular. And it really shows when we play teams with players like this; we get pushed off the ball and lose our feet very easily.

Hopefully the conditioning staff can rectify this problem area with the current crop of youngsters.

 

[Rayzorwire]

The soft tissue injuries are mainly with the older players around 30 - Gaspar, Kellaway & Johnson. Hall, at 26yo, is the only exception.

It just works not to have too many players around 30yo, and not to work them too hard.

Knobel and Stafford have also had trouble Phantom...and Chaffey's re-injury was also soft issue as well as I recall.

Coughlan and Tuck also appear to be struggling to some extent, but that should be under the heading speculation.

 

[linuscambridge]

FYI, the training staff under pressure from Terry have significantly increased the volume of work from the old spud days. Whether this is good or bad, time will tell.

Hardly a controlled study or sufficient sample size, but there do seem to be an increase in the number of soft tissue injuries amongst the older players.

 

[Rayzorwire]

FYI, the training staff under pressure from Terry have significantly increased the volume of work from the old spud days. Whether this is good or bad, time will tell.

Hardly a controlled study or sufficient sample size, but there do seem to be an increase in the number of soft tissue injuries amongst the older players.

Cheers Linus...personally, I'm glad we're trying to bring a fitter, physically stronger team into being...whatever the consequences.

 

[linuscambridge]

FYI, the training staff under pressure from Terry have significantly increased the volume of work from the old spud days. Whether this is good or bad, time will tell.

Hardly a controlled study or sufficient sample size, but there do seem to be an increase in the number of soft tissue injuries amongst the older players.

Cheers Linus...personally, I'm glad we're trying to bring a fitter, physically stronger team into being...whatever the consequences.

True Razor, fitness and the ability to run out games is pretty critical, however fitness and strength are not always compatible. One poster was bemoaning the lack of strength and body mass of our players (not that suprising since so many of them are still teens). In general the more running a player does in training the harder it will be to hold muscle gained in the pre-season.

It is a balancing act calculated by the conditioning staff based on the needs of the team as comunicated by the coach. For my money, the team that does this the best is without question Adelaide. On the other side of the coin I really can't see St Kilda winning a premiership with Grant Thomas in charge. Any coach that visits a natropath for some fish slapping is unlikely to be able to wrap his mind around modern training methods!!