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Are We Headed In The Right Direction?

the claw said:
i do my best oldie.

okay people are we headed in the right direction. to me its a double edged question. overall i have to say no. have we improved the list talent wise i think we have. have we improved the list structurally and depth wise a resounding no.

okay i ask do we have a big strong fb capable of taking on and stopping alltypes of ff. by this i mean is he strong (capableof taking on the gorillas)is he quick especially closing sppeed. does he have decent skills a good footy brain and can he run of his man. to me this bloke is the lynch pin to your defence.

do we have a chb who is quick agile good overhead and good when the ball hits the ground and versatile (can he play chf if need be).

do we have a talented third tall defender capable of taking over one of these roles if injury happens (thursfield).this player must be capable of running of his opponent and useing the ball well.

do we have a chf who is strong intimidating team oriented good off the ground strong overhead and versatile can he play chb if need be.

do we have a ff who converts most opportunities. who is strong overhead and quick on the lead.

do we have a third tall option who is a good kick quick and can take a good mark. this player should be capable of filling in at chf ff if injury hits.

do we have 2 ruckmen one capable of giving us first use of the ball at stoppages he must be agile mobile have a good motor be a good kick good mark and smart. the other must be competitive and must throw his weight around and be capable of hurting the opposition if not shown respect.

do we have 4 kpp in reserve at various stages of development capable of coming into the side and doing a job in case injury hits. ditto a ruckman.

do we have another 4 kpp under the age of 22 and a couple of ruckmen on our rookie list or in the early stages of development.

this is just your big man department this is what is required. imo we are nowhere near this scenario in fact we have been no where near it for almost as long as i can remember.

now for the rest. imo every other position on the field should be taken up with onballers and midfielders in the main. if you cant play in one these roles you should not be on the list. there are exceptions to this obviously. nathan g brown is one a quality flanker but capable of short stints in midfield anyway .

i have a simple philosophy its easier to turn a natural onballer mid into a flanker if need be. rather than try and turn a flanker into a mid. naturally there will be the odd exception to this ie deledio played most of his footy as a hbf but quite obviously was always going to make it as a mid.hurn was another.rotations are endless if you take this path.

the main requirements for the mids onballers is. must be footy smart, have good skills ,and in the main be capable of winning their own ball. there ya all go this is my basic thinking on the types of player we should take when building a side. i know its not real detailed but does it really have to be.
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:clap Great post and right on the mark. We have been pathetic in the big man department for a long time.

The last CHB of note to play for Richmond was Jimmy Jess.
The last CHF of note was Benny Gale before he was forced to pinch hit in the ruck.
Our lone competitive KPP defender of the last 10 years (for all his faults) was Darren Gaspar
Our lone competitive forward KPP of the last 10 years (for all his faults) has been Richo.
We have made an art form out of recruiting recycled ruckmen from other clubs with their best far behind them rather than developing our own (Strawbs O'Dwyer, Greg Dear, Justin Charles, Stevan Jackson, Trent Knobel to name a few)

Acknowledge that this was a problem before the time of Wallace and Miller but they have not done anything to address it.
 
Not with comments like these. :-X

Greg Tivendale
Greg is a much-maligned player with Richmond supporters. I believe Greg is one of the more consistent players we have but, at times, Richmond supporters don’t see that, and I feel a bit sorry for him. Greg’s a terrific player and is someone who is going to be around the place for a few more years.

http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52716
 
Griff said:
The problem with speculating about our current list is that the weakness of our midfield means that our defenders are put under more pressure than those from top teams, and our forwards get fewer decent opportunities. I'm not a Shultz defender--he is a problem boy who has to fix his attitude--but he would be more successful and therefore happier in a team with a stronger midfield.
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Respectfully, I don't think this is a weakness in Claw's position at all. It's about team balance and appropriate overall structure that includes the management of "what-ifs" (covering inuries, retirements, etc) and having the right number of stocks in each section. It's not about addressing one area and relying on this and thinking the ball will never go to the other end of the ground.

A common thread in a lot of posts is that we desparately pin our hopes on individuals that are either too few or wrongly positioned. "Bleeding for the club", "getting attitude right", "fire up FFS" - all this stuff is fine, but meaningless in the sense of team structure. I think Foley is fantastic and love him in the team - but I'd sure hate to have ten of him in the side.

The good teams (like Geelong) have well balanced structures and you can only compete with them with similar or better team balance, then it comes down to talent, attitude, preparation, etc. This is what disco, evo, claw, etc are going on about. Use your top pick for the best available player, but use as many picks as you can getting the best available team need for structure, or you end up where we are now.

On another thread claw talks about getting King cheaply. Not because he necesarily likes him as a great player, but because we are so weak in this position we are forced to think about. Geelong had the luxuray of considering him for the GF because he was in form and Blake wasn't - their balanced structure gave them options.
 
We sure are headed in the right direction. Every year our players get thinner and
thinner, by 2011 other sides will not be able to see us.
 
Freezer said:
Not with comments like these. :-X

Greg Tivendale
Greg is a much-maligned player with Richmond supporters. I believe Greg is one of the more consistent players we have but, at times, Richmond supporters don’t see that, and I feel a bit sorry for him. Greg’s a terrific player and is someone who is going to be around the place for a few more years.

http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52716
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I don't mind Tivvers, he's certainly not our worst but it's comments like Royal's that indicate just how far off the pace we really are.
 
He feels sorry for him. What! Is that indicating that Tivvers reads some of the sh!te on here and takes it to heart. What the hell is Royal on about!
 
Mac said:
Griff said:
The problem with speculating about our current list is that the weakness of our midfield means that our defenders are put under more pressure than those from top teams, and our forwards get fewer decent opportunities. I'm not a Shultz defender--he is a problem boy who has to fix his attitude--but he would be more successful and therefore happier in a team with a stronger midfield.
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Respectfully, I don't think this is a weakness in Claw's position at all. It's about team balance and appropriate overall structure that includes the management of "what-ifs" (covering inuries, retirements, etc) and having the right number of stocks in each section. It's not about addressing one area and relying on this and thinking the ball will never go to the other end of the ground.

A common thread in a lot of posts is that we desparately pin our hopes on individuals that are either too few or wrongly positioned. "Bleeding for the club", "getting attitude right", "fire up FFS" - all this stuff is fine, but meaningless in the sense of team structure. I think Foley is fantastic and love him in the team - but I'd sure hate to have ten of him in the side.

The good teams (like Geelong) have well balanced structures and you can only compete with them with similar or better team balance, then it comes down to talent, attitude, preparation, etc. This is what disco, evo, claw, etc are going on about. Use your top pick for the best available player, but use as many picks as you can getting the best available team need for structure, or you end up where we are now.

On another thread claw talks about getting King cheaply. Not because he necesarily likes him as a great player, but because we are so weak in this position we are forced to think about. Geelong had the luxuray of considering him for the GF because he was in form and Blake wasn't - their balanced structure gave them options.
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sheesh do you have a portal to my mind couldnt have said it better.
 
the claw said:
sheesh do you have a portal to my mind couldnt have said it better.
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For someone you agree with, the idea of suggesting that they are in your mind is pretty scary Claw. ;D
 
Every time I read how bad Tivendale is, and I have to admit he's not AFL midfield class, I wonder why it is that Newman is still leaking on the HBF rather than taking his spot. Even playing outside Tivendale's opponent seldom scores without some pressure.

Newman, so often touted as a future Richmond captain, should be able to overtake Tivendale, surely.

Which brings me to another point, we don't pick flankers first. Ever. Tivendale is selected in his midfield role BEFORE Newman. Time to step up, Captain.

Are we headed in the right direction? Not with Tivendale starting mid. Can Newman do any better? He'd wanna.
 
BladeTiger said:
:clap Great post and right on the mark. We have been pathetic in the big man department for a long time.

The last CHB of note to play for Richmond was Jimmy Jess.
The last CHF of note was Benny Gale before he was forced to pinch hit in the ruck.
Our lone competitive KPP defender of the last 10 years (for all his faults) was Darren Gaspar
Our lone competitive forward KPP of the last 10 years (for all his faults) has been Richo.
We have made an art form out of recruiting recycled ruckmen from other clubs with their best far behind them rather than developing our own (Strawbs O'Dwyer, Greg Dear, Justin Charles, Stevan Jackson, Trent Knobel to name a few)

Acknowledge that this was a problem before the time of Wallace and Miller but they have not done anything to address it.
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The Real Promlem at Richmond is real good tall defenders, which we do not have, getting Collier, or if were really luckly Pears at 18 in the draft, will not help a lot. You need the best like Alex Rance Only to solve this promblem, this is the way to win, Players of Lower type will mean we will never win, get the best and then we will have a chance.
 
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