ask yourselves the obvious and stop squealing.

[Liverpool]

Think you might be right there - it's a joke that RFC players are being forced to play Coburg 2nd's. What good can that be doing for development?

Maybe thats their true level? :-X

 

[K3]

Something I have been wondering for a while now... can it be that hard to get things right at a footy club?

I don't recon it can but then look at the RFC... what the???

 

[jmcp]

Spot on TT.

This is the best positive move that the club can make to bring success in the near future.

It costs heaps, but lack of success costs more.

collingwood established their stand alone vfl team to gain a greater control over the development of their players. you're going to get players who can seamlessly adapt when called up - they know the game plan, they know the structures. you don't have to worry about the agenda of another entity.

 

[Tigerhart04]

What is the cost I wonder of setting up your own Reserves team?

 

[Tiger74]

What is the cost I wonder of setting up your own Reserves team?

some estimates have it around $500k per annum

 

[Azza]

Give the coach full control of match-day selections. He should live and die by them.

Like your stuff Broadsword. One point about the match-day selections tho. This is fine if the coach and club administration are on the same page when it comes to where the team is at in a dvelopment sense. Of course they should be at one, but it seems that even if Terry and the hierarchy were in sync at the start of his tenure, by the end of it things were awry. Perhaps Terry was given too much freedom in this area at the outset, but ti seems that nothing has been put in place to address the problem.

I guess I'm just saying that there needs to be a clear focus at all levels on the strategic aims of the club, and this should be regularly reviewed to make sure it's realistic and everyone is in agreement. It shouldn't be allowed to drift in the hands of the coach.

 

[Forever Hoping]

Plenty of other players on notice as well, but that's 15 (a third of the list: most of the old guys and some of the younger guys who just aren't up to it) to start with.

I would prefer to start next year with a list of only 30 players and start a game with 15 players

I hope this fantasy rave helped you feel better BSword as unfortunately that is all it is - fantasty. You may not like it but RFC is but one part of a very large, regulated industry that has very strict rules about many things including the size of lists and the number of changes you can make to a list in one year.

Given some of these realities, what would you actually do in year 1 if you were coach?

 

[Skills]

so cmon people what can we do to dramatically improve.

claw, I think something that is missing at Punt Rd is a good old fashion Pie Night.
Thats it, bring back the traditional Pie Nights held in the Club Rooms.

 

[The tooth]

Yep, ridiculous for list development and club gameplan that we have to play some listed or rookie players in the Coburg Reserves. What a backwater

Richmond needs its own VFL team. The VFL team is coached and utilised as a means to bring AFL premiership success to Richmond.

We need to get serious about the length of time given to "project" or 50/50 players. Bring them in as juniors and review them every year. Give them realistic goals to accomplish. If there is no improvement cut them. No more hanging on to list cloggers and dreamers.

Players with poor skills are not traded for, drafted, or rookied. If you can't kick a football but you can do the 100 in 10 secs, try out for the Olympics, you are not wanted at Richmond.

Richmond develops it's own players. No more trading draft picks for players. Richmond develops players and trades "excess to needs" players to other teams for more draft picks. We cycle through our young players, trading those that do not fit our requirements.

 

[Broadsword95]

I hope this fantasy rave helped you feel better BSword as unfortunately that is all it is - fantasty. You may not like it but RFC is but one part of a very large, regulated industry that has very strict rules about many things including the size of lists and the number of changes you can make to a list in one year.

Given some of these realities, what would you actually do in year 1 if you were coach?

Would you be able to be more precise? I assumed there would be some sort of rules in place because...there always are. Do you know how many you are allowed to cut in one year?

It would help if we could persuade some of the older lot to retire...surely those losses would exist outside the rules?

Not allowed to make any sort of out-of-the-box statement these days.

 

[meltiger]

sheesh theres so many feral sooks about the place. they act as if its a shock we are where we are at. i tell ya what feral sooks you are shockers if you had used your brains and looked critically at structure player type skills player deficiency and system you would not be grunting like stuck pigs. what did we really expect and why now do you want to throw the baby out with the bath water. sheesh wake up to yourselves.

*sigh*


The rest of your post is actually very good ... But why engage in this rubbish?

 

[the claw]

Would you be able to be more precise? I assumed there would be some sort of rules in place because...there always are. Do you know how many you are allowed to cut in one year?

It would help if we could persuade some of the older lot to retire...surely those losses would exist outside the rules?

Not allowed to make any sort of out-of-the-box statement these days.

fremantle turned over 14 last yr dont believe there is a limit on how many you can delist in one yr. if all are out of contract you could get rid of the lot as far as i can discern.

at the end of this yr would be looking at turning over 7 or 8 minimum from the list proper. would be utilising 3 rookie picks. would be looking at trading into 2 earlyish to mid range draft picks to accomodate taking 7or 8 in the nd.

3 30 yr olds to go johnson, brown, and one of simmonds bowden maybe both, would do both under normal circumstances. pettifer mcmahon king and graham make up the 7. to me we lose nothing in getting rid of these players in fact its to the stage where its better to take on a kid with a late pick and hope : than keep these players they offer nothing moving forward.what is concerning is the number of players ive been forced to ignore.

if we delist simmonds and depending on development of our junior rucks i think we may have to look at aquiring a senior ruckman. the roundabout of mismanagement just wont go away. if development goes okay maybe we can go with putt and browne in 2010.

still lamenting rich did not last one more spot we need 3 high class onballers and the bloke i wanted at 8 swift ah well.at least we went with needs. we need a genuine big fb. and we need at least 3 kpfs maybe one or two more depending on who is delisted. 10 picks 3 rookies these are the areas i would be targeting.

 

[The_General]

Sounds about right Claw.

I had 9-10 gone, just off the senior list.

Rookies - keep Alroy, Gourdis and Nahas (promote to senior if he can keep his form at the level he produced after half time yesterday).
Promote Browne.
Delist Silvester (sorry coburg).

That's:
Simmonds, Brown, Bowden, Johnson - "retired"
Polak, Pettifer, Jackson, King, Schulz (traded or delisted if out of contract).
9 off, Browne and Nahas on. 7 left to draft in main draft. Should be able to take 4 rookies with Bowden off the senior list (if he's there).

 

[the claw]

Sounds about right Claw.

I had 9-10 gone, just off the senior list.

Rookies - keep Alroy, Gourdis and Nahas (promote to senior if he can keep his form at the level he produced after half time yesterday).
Promote Browne.
Delist Silvester (sorry coburg).

That's:
Simmonds, Brown, Bowden, Johnson - "retired"
Polak, Pettifer, Jackson, King, Schulz (traded or delisted if out of contract).
9 off, Browne and Nahas on. 7 left to draft in main draft. Should be able to take 4 rookies with Bowden off the senior list (if he's there).

not bad but just wait for mad cow to come on complaining about picks 120 128 etc. would still like to trade for some mid table picks if possible.

 

[The_General]

I think we just need to get rid of the mid rangers simply to eradicate the cancer of mediocrity. It's time to clear out and make it all about generation lids n cotchin etc. Build a team around that age group, and just be patient.