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Australia Day - 26th January?

Should Austrlalia Day be on the 26th of January?


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Coburgtiger

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One theory I've heard is that Australia Day has no ritual or ceremony.

So I reckon Australia Day should be the culmination of Bush Week,

which is a 5 days public holiday in the middle of the year,

and everything in dan Murphys is free if you wear ugg boots.

and we build Gina Rhinehart and Clive Palmer effigies

and Gina ritually buggers Clive in a symbolic field of really tall poppies.

while we get pissed and fall asleep in the back of a ute

and when you wake up, you set a billy over a fire of treated pine kindling pulled off Chep pallets, and scratch your balls or tits and eat a stale lamington (these are traditionally made on the first day of bush week and left in the back of the fridge) until it boils.

kids could make the long stemmed poppies at school

All of that sounds more Australian than invasion and genocide.

I love that Australia.

But if I want the date changed then I hate Australia.

So I'm lost.
 
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The Big Richo

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Are you able to direct me to the stats to verify this please? Cheers.


And didn’t the Wran government allow Sydney’s first casino? Do you see Wran as having caused the same mental health issues as Kennett?

I have some professional contacts and experience in this area but there's also been some discussion in the media. Here's a couple of examples. You'll notice that in one Crown play it down and claim only a few deaths on premises, largely because their focus is to remove anyone at risk from the premises as quickly as possible. Hence the suicides occur in the precinct and are able to be tracked back to issues relating to the casino. It's very classy stuff.



Think pokies paved the way for the casino and pokies were introduced by Kirner who was desperately trying to salvage the state from bankruptcy caused by Cain. Hope you aren't letting Joan off the hook?
I would be very happy if Victoria had no pokies and no casino.

Just to be clear, anyone and everyone who is involved in the facilitation or operation of pokies or casinos has blood on their hands. They are no better than drug dealers. Making profit off of human misery and destruction and I include Richmond in that while we maintain our gutless stance on pokies.

Kennett is a special breed though because not only does he carry that black mark along with so many others, but he also 'jeffed' many people's lives through his actions as premier.

His work with Beyond Blue is hypocrisy at its finest. Bring on Peter Dutton's Refugee Advocacy group, Kevin Rudd's anger management program, Tony Abbott's how to win friends and influence people book and Paul Keating's Ted talk on the history of Australian Rules football.
 
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tigertim

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I have some professional contacts and experience in this area but there's also been some discussion in the media. Here's a couple of examples. You'll notice that in one Crown play it down and claim only a few deaths on premises, largely because their focus is to remove anyone at risk from the premises as quickly as possible. Hence the suicides occur in the precinct and are able to be tracked back to issues relating to the casino. It's very classy stuff.

I'm sorry but just posting a 12 year old article from that "Murdoch rag" that says there was 3 suicides at crown ( but you just adding your own commentary that there's more than that) does not prove Crown is the epicentre of suicides in Victoria.
 

The Big Richo

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I'm sorry but just posting a 12 year old article from that "Murdoch rag" that says there was 3 suicides at crown ( but you just adding your own commentary that there's more than that) does not prove Crown is the epicentre of suicides in Victoria.

You must have missed this part in the second link:

Crown Casino, in particular, has attracted the ire of anti-gambling groups interested in seeing the industry independently investigated and reformed. It was reported back in 2013 that 127 intentional overdoses or poisonings had seen paramedics called out to attend the venue in less than three years. Crown Casino has declined an invitation to comment on this matter.

As for my commentary, I don't like to share my person details on here but I have done shifts as a volunteer with lifeline for most of the past decade. I know how many calls I've taken relating to gambling issues and how many from people in and around the casino. I've been on the other end of the phone line when some of them ended their lives. You can believe what ever you like but I can assure you it is a seriously destructive problem, which is why I go so hard at Richmond about it.
 
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glantone

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Maybe give us a clue who wrote this.


Would be good to know who actually wrote the article.

Sorry to digress from the above people but antman, if you're there take a seat and buckle up.
The article that Lee linked a few pages back 'rioters blurring lines between present and past' was written by Frank Furedi. And get this from wiki - A former student radical, he became involved in left-wing politics in Britain in the 1970s; in particular, as a member of the International Socialists (IS), under the pseudonym Frank Richards; and subsequently, as founder and leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party. In the 1990s he was actively involved in humanist-focused issues, especially campaigns for free speech.......

Interesting dude with lots to say it seems. Worth some following up reading perhaps.
Who would have thought, Lee .... linking an article from a bleeding commie ..hahaha..
 
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glantone

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Not much wacky here except for ‘themself’ which just doesn’t make sense to me especially when I hear myself saying it.

..from USA Today,

Fact check:
US House members can use gendered language; rules change affected one document

It's true that the Rules of the 117th Congress include changes to gendered language. But they don't "ban" the terms from use in the House. The change only alters the text of Standing Rules to strike gender-specific language and replace it with gender-neutral language.
Now, the clause will define "relative" as "parent, child, sibling, etc …
Other changes to the text of the Rules of the 117th Congress include switching the term "seamen" to "seafarers," the word "Chairman" to "Chair," and the phrase "himself or herself" to "themself."
 
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tigerdell

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Not much wacky here except for ‘themself’ which just doesn’t make sense to me especially when I hear myself saying it.

..from USA Today,

Fact check:
US House members can use gendered language; rules change affected one document

It's true that the Rules of the 117th Congress include changes to gendered language. But they don't "ban" the terms from use in the House. The change only alters the text of Standing Rules to strike gender-specific language and replace it with gender-neutral language.
Now, the clause will define "relative" as "parent, child, sibling, etc …
Other changes to the text of the Rules of the 117th Congress include switching the term "seamen" to "seafarers," the word "Chairman" to "Chair," and the phrase "himself or herself" to "themself."
I guess it just goes to show that they can please themselves
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Not much wacky here except for ‘themself’ which just doesn’t make sense to me especially when I hear myself saying it.

..from USA Today,

Fact check:
US House members can use gendered language; rules change affected one document

It's true that the Rules of the 117th Congress include changes to gendered language. But they don't "ban" the terms from use in the House. The change only alters the text of Standing Rules to strike gender-specific language and replace it with gender-neutral language.
Now, the clause will define "relative" as "parent, child, sibling, etc …
Other changes to the text of the Rules of the 117th Congress include switching the term "seamen" to "seafarers," the word "Chairman" to "Chair," and the phrase "himself or herself" to "themself."
Perhaps you missed today's paper.

ANU to drop ‘mother’ and ‘father’ in bid for gender inclusive education (paywalled)​


Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’’.

“When discussing childbirth, use the terms ‘gestational’ or ‘birthing’ parent rather than ‘mother’, and the terms ‘non-gestational’ or ‘non-birthing’ parent rather than ‘father’,” the book says.

“While many students will identify as ‘mothers’ or ‘fathers’, using these terms alone to describe parenthood excludes those who do not identify with gender-binaries.

“This non-gendered language is particularly important in clinical or abstract academic discussions of childbirth and parenthood, both to recognise the identities of students in the class, and to model inclusive behaviour for students entering clinical practice.”

The guide acknowledged staff might “make a mistake” but urged them to practise until they got it right.

“Do not worry if you make a mistake, simply acknowledge it and correct yourself,’’ the handbook instructs.

“Language habits take practice to overcome, and students respect the efforts you make to be inclusive.”

The handbook states it is “for any ANU student or staff member involved or interested in teaching undergraduate and postgraduate students”.

But an ANU spokesman distanced the university from the handbook when asked about it yesterday.

“The guide is an academic output produced by experts who are free to research in their field of expertise under our policies on academic freedom,” he said.

“This document is not an official ANU policy, process or official prescription to staff and students.”

University of Sydney sociologist Associate Professor Salvatore Balbones said trying to engineer what people could or could not say was misguided. “For the most part we can all get along just fine, part of what makes societies work is their ambiguity and their flexibility,” he said.

“The good intentions behind some of these types of codes just don’t take into account social realities.”

Prof Balbones said using words like non-gestational parent and human or parent’s milk was pedantic and would lead to confusion.

“Most people don‘t know what parent’s milk is and would question what it means. If someone said parent’s milk they might be looking for a brand of milk named parent’s milk,” he said.

Plain English Foundation executive director Neil James said language guides often shaped the way people thought.

“It is very powerful, the way you describe a term can have a loading and can have that social engineering purpose,’’ Dr James said.

“Choosing particular terms will steer community attitudes.”

He noted a study about euthanasia that found 70 per cent of Australians supported “ending a person’s life by some painless means”, but only 51 per cent supported the statement “assist the patient to commit suicide”.

“The reality is people take a stance on these (issues) and try to frame the language accordingly,” he said.

“Birth parent and non-birth parent will probably become more common when dealing with non-binary gender people but I am not sure about chestfeeding taking off.”

South Australia’s three universities all have commitments to equal opportunity for staff and students.

The universities each follow sate and federal anti-discrimination legislation and guidelines, their respective spokspeople said.

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Wacky as all *smile*.

Marxism is on the march and the nuclear family is its enemy. As stated by the earlier article, its intention is disorient; to detach. It's just a case of whether you're in denial or not.
 

AngryAnt

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Not much wacky here except for ‘themself’ which just doesn’t make sense to me especially when I hear myself saying it.

..from USA Today,

Fact check:
US House members can use gendered language; rules change affected one document

It's true that the Rules of the 117th Congress include changes to gendered language. But they don't "ban" the terms from use in the House. The change only alters the text of Standing Rules to strike gender-specific language and replace it with gender-neutral language.
Now, the clause will define "relative" as "parent, child, sibling, etc …
Other changes to the text of the Rules of the 117th Congress include switching the term "seamen" to "seafarers," the word "Chairman" to "Chair," and the phrase "himself or herself" to "themself."

This has been pointed out several times, but the rightwing PC brigade don't care. To them it's the collapse of Western civilisation and the victory of angry lesbians everywhere.
 
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AngryAnt

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Perhaps you missed today's paper.

ANU to drop ‘mother’ and ‘father’ in bid for gender inclusive education (paywalled)​


Academics at the nation’s top university have told staff to stop using the word “mother’’ and replace it with “gestational parent”, while a “father’’ should now be referred to as a “non-birthing parent” in order to deliver gender-inclusive education.

The Australian National University’s Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like “chestfeeding’’ instead of breastfeeding and “human or parent’s milk’’ instead of the phrase “mother’s milk’’.

“When discussing childbirth, use the terms ‘gestational’ or ‘birthing’ parent rather than ‘mother’, and the terms ‘non-gestational’ or ‘non-birthing’ parent rather than ‘father’,” the book says.

“While many students will identify as ‘mothers’ or ‘fathers’, using these terms alone to describe parenthood excludes those who do not identify with gender-binaries.

“This non-gendered language is particularly important in clinical or abstract academic discussions of childbirth and parenthood, both to recognise the identities of students in the class, and to model inclusive behaviour for students entering clinical practice.”

The guide acknowledged staff might “make a mistake” but urged them to practise until they got it right.

“Do not worry if you make a mistake, simply acknowledge it and correct yourself,’’ the handbook instructs.

“Language habits take practice to overcome, and students respect the efforts you make to be inclusive.”

The handbook states it is “for any ANU student or staff member involved or interested in teaching undergraduate and postgraduate students”.

But an ANU spokesman distanced the university from the handbook when asked about it yesterday.

“The guide is an academic output produced by experts who are free to research in their field of expertise under our policies on academic freedom,” he said.

“This document is not an official ANU policy, process or official prescription to staff and students.”

University of Sydney sociologist Associate Professor Salvatore Balbones said trying to engineer what people could or could not say was misguided. “For the most part we can all get along just fine, part of what makes societies work is their ambiguity and their flexibility,” he said.

“The good intentions behind some of these types of codes just don’t take into account social realities.”

Prof Balbones said using words like non-gestational parent and human or parent’s milk was pedantic and would lead to confusion.

“Most people don‘t know what parent’s milk is and would question what it means. If someone said parent’s milk they might be looking for a brand of milk named parent’s milk,” he said.

Plain English Foundation executive director Neil James said language guides often shaped the way people thought.

“It is very powerful, the way you describe a term can have a loading and can have that social engineering purpose,’’ Dr James said.

“Choosing particular terms will steer community attitudes.”

He noted a study about euthanasia that found 70 per cent of Australians supported “ending a person’s life by some painless means”, but only 51 per cent supported the statement “assist the patient to commit suicide”.

“The reality is people take a stance on these (issues) and try to frame the language accordingly,” he said.

“Birth parent and non-birth parent will probably become more common when dealing with non-binary gender people but I am not sure about chestfeeding taking off.”

South Australia’s three universities all have commitments to equal opportunity for staff and students.

The universities each follow sate and federal anti-discrimination legislation and guidelines, their respective spokspeople said.

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Wacky as all *smile*.

Marxism is on the march and the nuclear family is its enemy. As stated by the earlier article, its intention is disorient; to detach. It's just a case of whether you're in denial or not.

Whether this is a real thing or not, it has nothing to do with Marxism.
 
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DavidSSS

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Perhaps you missed today's paper.

ANU to drop ‘mother’ and ‘father’ in bid for gender inclusive education (paywalled)​


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But an ANU spokesman distanced the university from the handbook when asked about it yesterday.

“The guide is an academic output produced by experts who are free to research in their field of expertise under our policies on academic freedom,” he said.

“This document is not an official ANU policy, process or official prescription to staff and students.”

Perhaps you missed that the headline and the detail say completely different things. It is presumably an academic paper looking at alternative uses of language and very very very clearly ANU are not dropping mother and father as the lying sensationalist headline states.

Are you saying that academics should not be allowed to investigate uses of language? Surely you would agree with the ANU statement that academics should be free to research in their field of expertise? Geez the right like to cancel anything they don't like.

I'm not going to say that the Murdoch rags can't print their distortions but I am going to pull them, and anyone who quotes them, up on a clear piece of sensationalist clickbait rubbish.

You and the Murdoch press really are clutching at straws now.

Must say, I haven't ready anything by Marx for years (well, I did quote Groucho in an email yesterday), but I don't recall any of his writings having anything to say about gender inclusive language or the like. You are so full of s*** it is just not funny, entertaining at times, but boring most of the time.

Your reference to the nuclear family is revealing, the breakdown of the extended family was seen as a break down of social structures with the move to capitalism, but that's fine as capitalism is apparently so wonderful. Now as individualistic ideology breaks social structures down even more, suddenly a family structure which is historically recent is sacred.

By the way, what has this to do with Invasion Day?

DS
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Perhaps you missed that the headline and the detail say completely different things. It is presumably an academic paper looking at alternative uses of language and very very very clearly ANU are not dropping mother and father as the lying sensationalist headline states.

Are you saying that academics should not be allowed to investigate uses of language? Surely you would agree with the ANU statement that academics should be free to research in their field of expertise? Geez the right like to cancel anything they don't like.

I'm not going to say that the Murdoch rags can't print their distortions but I am going to pull them, and anyone who quotes them, up on a clear piece of sensationalist clickbait rubbish.

You and the Murdoch press really are clutching at straws now.

Must say, I haven't ready anything by Marx for years (well, I did quote Groucho in an email yesterday), but I don't recall any of his writings having anything to say about gender inclusive language or the like. You are so full of s*** it is just not funny, entertaining at times, but boring most of the time.

Your reference to the nuclear family is revealing, the breakdown of the extended family was seen as a break down of social structures with the move to capitalism, but that's fine as capitalism is apparently so wonderful. Now as individualistic ideology breaks social structures down even more, suddenly a family structure which is historically recent is sacred.

By the way, what has this to do with Invasion Day?
You're a very disingenuous poster, David Naziparty.
 

DavidSSS

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You're a very disingenuous poster, David Naziparty.

Do you always have to make it about ME? You're such an incorrigible *smile* lefty.

Gee, one minute you're complaining about it always being about you and how hard done by you are, then a bit later you're calling me a nazi.

You are such a hypocrite.

I notice you didn't engage with the topic, even though it was you who quoted that bizarre rant from the Adelaide Murdochian. Not willing to concede the headline was a total distortion of the facts? Yeah, typical of the right, never let facts get in the way of putting others down.

DS
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Gee, one minute you're complaining about it always being about you and how hard done by you are, then a bit later you're calling me a nazi.

You are such a hypocrite.

I notice you didn't engage with the topic, even though it was you who quoted that bizarre rant from the Adelaide Murdochian. Not willing to concede the headline was a total distortion of the facts? Yeah, typical of the right, never let facts get in the way of putting others down.

DS
Blah blah Murdoch scares me blah

Go *smile* your strawmen.