Banking Royal Commission

tigertim

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Just out of curiosity FB, how did the bank come around to offering you this mortgage?

I have 4 mortgages over 4 properties and the bank have NEVER offered me a mortgage loan, I always have to go to them cap in hand. In fact in my 52 years I’ve never been offered a mortgage loan, a credit card yes, but never a mortgage loan.
 

MD Jazz

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tigertim said:
Just out of curiosity FB, how did the bank come around to offering you this mortgage?

I have 4 mortgages over 4 properties and the bank have NEVER offered me a mortgage loan, I always have to go to them cap in hand. In fact in my 52 years I’ve never been offered a mortgage loan, a credit card yes, but never a mortgage loan.
Yeh, they don't just materialise from nowhere. And credit is harder to get than at any stage in the last few years.
 

fastin bulbous

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Mar 30, 2010
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We went to see a loan broker. A reputable one too. Yes we are interested in buying a place but were not interested in borrowing large amounts. We were both genuinely shocked at the amount offered. We were expecting half that at the most. Half a mil s ems to be small potatoes these days.
 

fastin bulbous

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MD Jazz said:
It ultimately depends on what information you have provided in an application. Credit is difficult to get so it would surprise me if the bank has offered you something that is simply unaffordable.

Many people would not be able to afford current mortgages if they didn't have a job, it is one of the key things to consider when entering into a loan agreement.

It may or may not surprise you but a lot of people don't actually reveal all the facts (they lie) when making loan applications? Talk to any mortgage broker and you'll understand how much lying people do when applying for loans.

Nobody forces anyone to borrow money, if people are willing to make reckless decisions they must be willing to face the consequences. Yes, there needs to be some level of protection against unscrupulous practices and exploitation of the weak but many of the stories I've read around the royal commission are ultimately of normal people making poor decisions.
Thanks MD. I agree with you but also believe many people feel forced to bite that bullet to get somewhere to live and have to over reach. Anyway, just thought I’d share my situation. We did not lie on our application. We are both too paranoid to do that.
 
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easy_tiger

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fastin bulbous said:
We went to see a loan broker. A reputable one too. Yes we are interested in buying a place but were not interested in borrowing large amounts. We were both genuinely shocked at the amount offered. We were expecting half that at the most. Half a mil s ems to be small potatoes these days.
I found the opposite recently FB. My income appears sub poverty line, but i have a large chunk of equity in an idyllical farm and very few debts.

I tried to borrow 40 grand off the bank ive banked with for 20 years to help out one of my kids and was knocked back. I was stunned.

It was peak RC, and apparently they had just ceased lending.

Either that, or there is something on my file about Swan St 30 sept 2017?

I tend to agree with jazz that people should be responsible for their finance management, but i think the real evil of the banks tgat came out of the RC was the heartless, if not sadistic, ways they foreclosed on ordinary people.

They needlessly destroyed many lives.
 

fastin bulbous

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Geez eazy. Disappointing.

I think our free rent and bills made a big difference and we have a reasonable deposit. I just don’t understand the logic. Anyway I won’t bang on about it further. I hear Coonamble has a great beach and fantastic lifestyle opportunities. I’ll pop up the road and have a look.
 
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easy_tiger

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fastin bulbous said:
Geez eazy. Disappointing.

I think our free rent and bills made a big difference and we have a reasonable deposit. I just don’t understand the logic. Anyway I won’t bang on about it further. I hear Coonamble has a great beach and fantastic lifestyle opportunities. I’ll pop up the road and have a look.
I was surprised but a bit relieved.

I want banks out of my life.
 

MD Jazz

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easy said:
I found the opposite recently FB. My income appears sub poverty line, but i have a large chunk of equity in an idyllical farm and very few debts.

I tried to borrow 40 grand off the bank ive banked with for 20 years to help out one of my kids and was knocked back. I was stunned.

It was peak RC, and apparently they had just ceased lending.

Either that, or there is something on my file about Swan St 30 sept 2017?

I tend to agree with jazz that people should be responsible for their finance management, but i think the real evil of the banks tgat came out of the RC was the heartless, if not sadistic, ways they foreclosed on ordinary people.

They needlessly destroyed many lives.
Yeh, many people with plenty of assets but low incomes usually struggle to borrow. Or people in the cash economy.

I don't understand why people think the banks should have hearts? They are in business to make money. I imagine if they showed more sympathy to those in strife they'd make less money. Foreclosing is often the best result for an indebted party, extending further credit or timelines just increases the amount to pay back. Stopping the bleeding by selling to pay back debts is the best option.

It's also why some of these other lenders of 2nd and 3rd resort exist. They may take over debts mainstream banks won't touch.
 
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easy_tiger

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MD Jazz said:
Yeh, many people with plenty of assets but low incomes usually struggle to borrow. Or people in the cash economy.

I don't understand why people think the banks should have hearts? They are in business to make money. I imagine if they showed more sympathy to those in strife they'd make less money. Foreclosing is often the best result for an indebted party, extending further credit or timelines just increases the amount to pay back. Stopping the bleeding by selling to pay back debts is the best option.

It's also why some of these other lenders of 2nd and 3rd resort exist. They may take over debts mainstream banks won't touch.
There was one bloke testified at The RC who was being foreclosed on his farm had been in the family for generations.

Fair enough. They couldnt pay the bills, bank sells farm.

BUT, the farm was huge with multiple titles and dwellings and the old fella got several independent assessments that leaving them with a single home to dwell in, on about 5 acres, out of tens of thousands of acres and a dozen houses and titles, would make zero difference to the sale price. Zero.

So the old bloke writes and pleads with the bank ' just leave us a house to live in, zero cost to you'

And the bank goes nuh
 
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easy_tiger

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easy said:
There was one bloke testified at The RC who was being foreclosed on his farm had been in the family for generations.

Fair enough. They couldnt pay the bills, bank sells farm.

BUT, the farm was huge with multiple titles and dwellings and the old fella got several independent assessments that leaving them with a single home to dwell in, on about 5 acres, out of tens of thousands of acres and a dozen houses and titles, would make zero difference to the sale price. Zero.

So the old bloke writes and pleads with the bank ' just leave us a house to live in, zero cost to you'

And the bank goes flat 'nuh'

And leaves them homeless and entirely broken.
 

MD Jazz

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easy said:
There was one bloke testified at The RC who was being foreclosed on his farm had been in the family for generations.

Fair enough. They couldnt pay the bills, bank sells farm.

BUT, the farm was huge with multiple titles and dwellings and the old fella got several independent assessments that leaving them with a single home to dwell in, on about 5 acres, out of tens of thousands of acres and a dozen houses and titles, would make zero difference to the sale price. Zero.

So the old bloke writes and pleads with the bank ' just leave us a house to live in, zero cost to you'

And the bank goes nuh
Did it come out how he ended up in that position? Did he borrow continuously when he couldn’t support it? Did he lodge false documents to get further funding?

Perhaps the bank lent him money when they should not have? Maybe he was poorly advised?

Its easy to feel sorry on the surface but this didn’t happen overnight.

Perhaps if the earlier generations had educated him better financially he wouldn’t have ended up there.
 
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easy_tiger

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MD Jazz said:
Did it come out how he ended up in that position? Did he borrow continuously when he couldn’t support it? Did he lodge false documents to get further funding?

Perhaps the bank lent him money when they should not have? Maybe he was poorly advised?

Its easy to feel sorry on the surface but this didn’t happen overnight.

Perhaps if the earlier generations had educated him better financially he wouldn’t have ended up there.
Couldnt disagree more Jazz.

Noone* deserves to be wantanly destroyed, and it was wantan.

* michelia cash, steve bannon and clive palmer being 3 exceptions
 

22nd Man

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People tell lies to get the loans they want. In the mid 80s I had to vet / approve car finance loans... You would look at a 20 something girls declared expenses with nominal or nil under clothing... You would ask "you have forgotten to include your clothing expenses... Reply would be I make my own (presumably from material reclaimed from last years fashions)

And just because they lied didn't mean they couldn't repay the loan either. Peoples incomes go up, once they have a fixed commitment some other discretionary spending is cut back.

For the RC and journalists and politicians to think they have the magic formula to who should be able to borrow and how much is fanciful. Just as many are unhappy that a bank didn't give them a loan or not what they wanted as there are people who end up over committed (and the over commitment doesn't always arise from the outset of the loan.)

Note also that bank mortgage arrears are near all time lows. Hardly symptomatic of people being forced to have loans they cannot afford.