Best N Fairest 2007 - Wednesday Sep 19th @ Crown

[Harry]

"Still I don't begrudge Richo the win." - sorry i dont know how to quote, in regards to this just because its richo doesnt mean he should have won and thats the reason i am getting so mad. the club cleary shows fav's and its way to obvious. people may say that foley should not be angry and be happy with getting second but i can tell you right now if anyone was in his position they would be shattered. foleys never been given anything easy. his worked so very hard to get to were he has this year. who even new his name last year? i thought the rfc may of seen this and seen his performance and agreed that he was the stand out player. once again he was pushed aside.
sorry i dont no where to get the votes round by round but i would also like to see them.

I understand exactly what you are saying. Foley has had to work his butt off from the rookie list just because he was too short and the "experts' didn't think he could make it. He's come in and shown maturity and professionalism beyond his years and been the hardest worker on the track by far (as mentioned by the coaching staff). How about rewarding this effort and ability? During the year he was easily our best player (not even a hint of doubt about this) and has had to bust a gut, not only winning 90% of his own hard ball, but also running and setting up play. First in clearances in the AFL playing in the wooden spoon team, where he had minimal support.

And that doesn't deserve the B&F ? Just because a veteran of the club hasn't won it before doesn't give the club the right to rob a young player of it, and make a feel good story out of it, just so the supporters feel warm and fuzzy about it. Damn right Foley will be pissed off and so he should be. The club wants improvement in the professionalism of it's players, well they better start themselves.

Favouritism is alive and well at punt rd, it was during previous regimes and it still is now.

 

[Harry]

... the stand out player of each game.....

I can't agree the JD votes are for the stand out player each week. They reward consistency throughout the season.

You're spot on Rosy.

Are critics incapable of understanding the scoring system for Jack?

The PRE votes reward only the best three, but what about the blokes that were 4th, 5th, 6th, 13th best? They do no better then someone that didn't even play.

Under the Jack system everyone's performance is assessed. Everyone gets a score out of 25. And because it is members of the match committee voting, they know the job they have been asked to do, and they can be assessed accordingly.

And don't forget, there was only one vote in it.

Well rename it from the BEST and fairest to the most consistent and fairest.

It's a joke.

 

[Tigers of Old]

foleys never been given anything easy. his worked so very hard to get to were he has this year. who even new his name last year? i thought the rfc may of seen this and seen his performance and agreed that he was the stand out player. once again he was pushed aside.
sorry i dont no where to get the votes round by round but i would also like to see them.

I have to admit this result surprised me more than last year and that's saying something.

 

[GoodOne]

I do think its hard to fathom how on PRE Foley can get twice as many votes as his nearest rival yet lose the B&F. Are we as a group really that bad judges? In my opinion the voting system is wrong and that's why these dicrepancies come about. On a given day under a 3-2-1 system, Foley might have got 3 votes and richo none. Under the 5to1 for every player Foley might get 5 votes and Richo 4 (even though he mght have been considered the 4th or 5th best player on the day).

Under the current voting system you have to respect that Richo won the B&F and a fantastic achievement to be so prominent at his age, however I think the colours of the B&F have been lowered a bit by Foley not winning.

It appears to me to be alot more emphasis on 'effort' and 'heroics' than raw ability and achievement on the field in the B&F these days.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

Well rename it from the BEST and fairest to the most consistent and fairest.

It's a joke.

Doesn't consistency of a high quality constitute the 'Best' player?

The other variable of which only the match committee and players are aware is the role each player is assigned. Hypothetically, if in a game that we ultimately lose, player X is instructed to play a close tag on his opponent. He does a poor job at it, instead playing loose and picking up 25 possessions himself.

To us in the outer, we will conclude he had a good game. To the match committee, he didn't do so well.

 

[GoodOne]

Doesn't consistency of a high quality constitute the 'Best' player?

Hypothetically, if in a game that we ultimately lose, player X is instructed to play a close tag on his opponent. He does a poor job at it, instead playing loose and picking up 25 possessions himself.

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Nice hypothetical, but would not have been the case with Foley. foley this year was our main drive out of the middle, he would never have been instructed to play a close tag on an opponent. That's the domain of your Jackson's and Johnson's.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

Doesn't consistency of a high quality constitute the 'Best' player?

Hypothetically, if in a game that we ultimately lose, player X is instructed to play a close tag on his opponent. He does a poor job at it, instead playing loose and picking up 25 possessions himself.

Nice hypothetical, but would not have been the case with Foley. foley this year was our main drive out of the middle, he would never have been instructed to play a close tag on an opponent. That's the domain of your Jackson's and Johnson's.
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True, but the main point is that there are variables at play that we can know nothing about.

 

[GoodOne]

Doesn't consistency of a high quality constitute the 'Best' player?

Hypothetically, if in a game that we ultimately lose, player X is instructed to play a close tag on his opponent. He does a poor job at it, instead playing loose and picking up 25 possessions himself.

Nice hypothetical, but would not have been the case with Foley. foley this year was our main drive out of the middle, he would never have been instructed to play a close tag on an opponent. That's the domain of your Jackson's and Johnson's.

True, but the main point is that there are variables at play that we can know nothing about.

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Yep agree, yet still find it hard to understand how these different variables could have made such a large difference to the premise that the best performed player should win the award, and in the view of PRE supporters, that was a vote for Foley being double his nearest rival.

 

[Jason King]

Enough of the foley was robbed rhetoric :blah A bunch of you sound like collingwood supporters :cutelaugh
Richo kicks 50 goals, leads contested marks, 3rd in total marks, numerous assists per game, on field leadership and heroics, off field work etc
He pipped foley by one vote, get over it for gods sake.

 

[pokey]

I was surprised that Foley didn't win it, but am rapt for Richo. :clap

 

[YinnarTiger]

In the last game richo didnt even kick a goal and still polled 7 votes, how this happens i do not no. RFC should be ashamed.

sorry i dont no where to get the votes round by round but i would also like to see them.

Then how did you know that Richo got 7 votes in the last game?

 

[richmond1234]

because i was at the b n f. foley got 2 that game.

 

[Tigermad2005]

The best player won it full stop.

 

[jimmy jess]

"Still I don't begrudge Richo the win." - sorry i dont know how to quote, in regards to this just because its richo doesnt mean he should have won and thats the reason i am getting so mad. the club cleary shows fav's and its way to obvious. people may say that foley should not be angry and be happy with getting second but i can tell you right now if anyone was in his position they would be shattered. foleys never been given anything easy. his worked so very hard to get to were he has this year. who even new his name last year? i thought the rfc may of seen this and seen his performance and agreed that he was the stand out player. once again he was pushed aside.
sorry i dont no where to get the votes round by round but i would also like to see them.

well said of course no one begrudges richo the win not even axle but as the name says b& f 2007, not should have won one before or best clubman or deseves it, axle was the stand out this year and therefore should have won