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Big Patto - CHF or Ruckman?

Tigers of Old said:
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Tigers of Old said:
Phantom said:
bullus_hit said:
the claw said:
The positive is that it is the David Cloke / Roger Merrett types that usually win you GFs.
They lurk in the goal square and take the big mark when the game is in the balance.

Maybe 20 years ago.

Not so sure that's true these days...players need to be a lot more mobile than those types.

Can you think of a more recent comparison? I'm not sure I can.

Perhaps Corey McKernan?? :headscratch

Quinten Lynch, 102kg? His 3 goals this year were decisive.

Yeah but he's more of a a regular FF. Can he ruck too?

Dunno, but he's the same height as Nathan Thompson, Loewe and Goodes.
 
I believe as already stated the kid will be a better option, and better player as a follower, however there are still a fair few question marks over the kid.

Season 07 will go a long way to answering those questions.

Pattison aint alone there though the same goes for Schulz.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Tigers of Old said:
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Tigers of Old said:
Phantom said:
bullus_hit said:
the claw said:
The positive is that it is the David Cloke / Roger Merrett types that usually win you GFs.
They lurk in the goal square and take the big mark when the game is in the balance.

Maybe 20 years ago.

Not so sure that's true these days...players need to be a lot more mobile than those types.

Can you think of a more recent comparison? I'm not sure I can.

Perhaps Corey McKernan?? :headscratch

Quinten Lynch, 102kg? His 3 goals this year were decisive.

Yeah but he's more of a a regular FF. Can he ruck too?

Dunno, but he's the same height as Nathan Thompson, Loewe and Goodes.

I suppose Lynch can ruck if necessary. He's got some hitout stats for the year but I doubt he's got the motor to run out a game if required.

Thompson's a good comparison.

If Patto ends up half the player of Loewe or particularly Goodes, then we'll all be very happy. :)
 
Tigers of Old said:
I suppose Lynch can ruck if necessary. He's got some hitout stats for the year but I doubt he's got the motor to run out a game if required.

Thompson's a good comparison.

If Patto ends up half the player of Loewe or particularly  Goodes, then we'll all be very happy. :)

Too true ToO. I'd settle for another Thompson.
 
the claw said:
i have to say of all our early picks in recent times patto is the biggest worry for me. i was appalled we used pick 16 on this bloke.
if we took him as a ruckman our recruiters let us down badly. if we took him as a chf kicking agility pace and for me body size is a worry. patto is pushing 100kg but still looks undersized if that makes sense. maybe im seeing things that arent there.
if pattison ever makes it as a chf he will be an old fashioned one.


With ya there claw!I really hope Patto works hard & prove's us wrong.
 
Tigers of Old said:
I suppose Lynch can ruck if necessary. He's got some hitout stats for the year but I doubt he's got the motor to run out a game if required.

Thompson's a good comparison.

If Patto ends up half the player of Loewe or particularly  Goodes, then we'll all be very happy. :)

Not me, I dont really rate him. Over rated if you ask me. But noone did ask me so ill just crawl back into my hole.  ;)
 
Thats ok Aka, your opinion is just as worthy as anyone elses.

Jury is out for me on Adam as he is not a dominant ruck type, nor a specialist forward, which is why with his aerobic capacity being good i'd earmark the kid to play 2nd ruck, as i am sure he's more vcalue in that guise as opposed to up the sharp end.

I recall being at training the week he debuted and he was at FF during end to end drills and the kid had no idea absolutely no idea re when and where to lead and had to rely on BT telling him when and where to go which i must say left me a little gobsmacked.

You wont see the likes of Riewoldt or Cleever requiring such attention in this manner thay are forward specialists.

Big Adam is an in betweener at the minny and i reckon the kid should be groomed as a ruck to get the best outta him.

Good luck to him and hope he has a big 07, cos his career depends on it for mine.

That said tho his career also depends on being pointed in the right direction by the Coaching and match committess, if they continue to stuff around with him and not allow him to settle and find his feet in a role then it will be to the detriment of Adams footy.

07 will tell the tale for Patto, good luck to him.
 
Why should 07 be a big year for Patto?Its acceptable for others of patto,s ilk to be afforded 6yrs to develop yet Young Adam only gets 3 ???
 
IMO 07 is pivotal in the club deciding on just what they are gonna do with Adam Skippa, i think he will be best served as 2nd ruck for now, he has the motor and as such he should be groomed as a ruck option i just feel with 2 specialist key forwards in Cleever and now Jack, along with Jay the best bet is for the club to settle Adam into a role and focus his development as a Ruck that can rest up forward on occasion.

Schulzy is the other one as i still feel TW is looking at him to have a run at CHB with possibly POlak as FB. I dont agree with this one but i think TW hasnt ruled this practice out as yet.
 
craig said:
IMO 07 is pivotal in the club deciding on just what they are gonna do with Adam Skippa, i think he will be best served as 2nd ruck for now, he has the motor and as such he should be groomed as a ruck option i just feel with 2 specialist key forwards in Cleever and now Jack, along with Jay the best bet is for the club to settle Adam into a role and focus his development as a Ruck that can rest up forward on occasion.

Schulzy is the other one as i still feel TW is looking at him to have a run at CHB with possibly POlak as FB. I dont agree with this one but i think TW hasnt ruled this practice out as yet.
Agreed with him being our 2nd ruck option[for now] as he does have great endurance and for a kid his size he,s pretty good below the knees.Can see him in the future as being very much similar to Benny Gale,s role.
 
tigerbro said:
Wood must be a superstar, didnt they just draft and Identical player at this years draft!

They just took the best available player. You cant really fault them on taking Leunburger. They might not need him as much as Carlton or the Saints but if he is gonna be as good as predicted would you pass on him?
 
tigerbro said:
Wood must be a superstar, didnt they just draft and Identical player at this years draft!


Interesting to have a look at the side by side comparison between the two.

There's not much in it but the big one is the hitouts. Wood is the clear winner and a genuine ruckman.

Hmmm... :-\

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=112&pid1=2005094&tid2=102&pid2=2005013
 
Tigers of Old said:
tigerbro said:
Wood must be a superstar, didnt they just draft and Identical player at this years draft!


Interesting to have a look at the side by side comparison between the two.

There's not much in it but the big one is the hitouts. Wood is the clear winner and a genuine ruckman.

Hmmm... :-\

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=112&pid1=2005094&tid2=102&pid2=2005013

Not alot between them, at this stage.

Wood dominates HOs because he is being played in the ruck.
Pattison better at LBGs because he is playing as a loose fwd.

Not alot in it.
 
Maybe Patto will play as both ruck and chf. Three blokes that were fairly handy at both jobs Merrett, Cloke, and Gale. Salmon was equally as good at ruck or ff I'm sure theres been other players in recent times capable of being very damaging in more than one role on the ground. If Patto matches the guys I've mentioned then I doubt anyone would have reason to complain.
 
Pato has played as a hard working CHF in a lot of game simulated drills at training,the type that gets there kicks between true CHF an CHB.
I think TW would like to use Pato and others in that role an use Knobel mainly as the pinch hitting ruckman
 
CC TIGER said:
Pato has played as a hard working CHF in a lot of game simulated drills at training,the type that gets there kicks  between true CHF an CHB.
I think TW would like to use Pato and others in that role an use Knobel mainly as the pinch hitting ruckman

Does he handball off after he's taken a mark ?
 
Redford said:
Does he handball off after he's taken a mark ?
Go to training and findout RedRidingHood.Its not as if you have anything else to do between Pay Dole day
 
tigerbro said:
Wood must be a superstar, didnt they just draft and Identical player at this years draft!
not being sarcastic but what a dumb thing to say. brissie took the best player available. leuenberger could easily have gone no1. his upside is huge. if we had brissies pick and didnt use it on leunberger i would have been pissed of. the only players i would have even thought about taking in front of this bloke waqs hansen and gumbleton maybe thorpe. andlike leuenberger they took wood clearly the best player available.