Blair's Boys - 2012 Trade Week Targets

[Disco08]

Not often with you Disco, but leysy is with this.

Midfield isnt just judged upon clearances. Its transition of footy, linking up in positive movements & then using it well that are just as crucial.

Geelong are king at recruiting these types & have built a dynasty around them. Add greats like Chapman, Johnson, Corey, Kelly to your Enright that often start in other positions but lose nothing starting in the centre.

Its an area we still have a ways to go as well. Hopefully this draft trade peiod can help. Its why leysy is a fan of getting Sylvia across if the price is right.

Who, if anyone, do you see as being able to fill roles like those blokes have played Leysy? IMO Deledio can go forward or back, Martin could be really dangerous in the Chapman type role and like you say Sylvia or maybe Knights. Ellis could develop into a Kelly type role too IMO. Certainly looked good in that type of situation against North.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Who, if anyone, do you see as being able to fill roles like those blokes have played Leysy? IMO Deledio can go forward or back, Martin could be really dangerous in the Chapman type role and like you say Sylvia or maybe Knights. Ellis could develop into a Kelly type role too IMO. Certainly looked good in that type of situation against North.

I assume you are talking when Geelong had Ablett.

eg Geelong had a choice of Ablett/Bartel/Selwood/Ling starting in the middle. Kelly/Enright/Corey/Varcoe on HBF/Wing and Johnson/Chapman on HFF. (what a lineup!!!)

At the minute we would have Cotchin/Deledio/Martin/Foley as starting options. Then Conca/Ellis/Houli/Newman on a HBF/Wing and Jackson/Edwards on a HFF.

Can't see why you would suggest Martin or Deledio not starting in the middle. Yes, they would rotate through HB & HF at times but aren't they our first choice centre square starters? Would be great if we had better options that forced them to the flanks (ala Kelly/Chapman being forced to flanks etc) but can't see any of the 2nd group replacing them soon/ever.

The above lists show just how far our midfield depth is from being elite.

 

[Disco08]

I'm suggesting Deledio and Martin as options to fill these roles because I think the Chapman/Corey roles are equally important to the pure inside mids. If Cotchin, Foley, Tuck and Conca can start in the square that gives us the opportunity to have Grigg/Ellis on the wings and to me that gives us quality ball players all over the park.

 

[Tigerfan]

I assume you are talking when Geelong had Ablett.

eg Geelong had a choice of Ablett/Bartel/Selwood/Ling starting in the middle. Kelly/Enright/Corey/Varcoe on HBF/Wing and Johnson/Chapman on HFF. (what a lineup!!!)

At the minute we would have Cotchin/Deledio/Martin/Foley as starting options. ThenHn Conca/Ellis/Houli/Newman on a HBF/Wing and Jackson/Edwards on a HFF.

Can't see why you would suggest Martin or Deledio not starting in the middle. Yes, they would rotate through HB & HF at times but aren't they our first choice centre square starters? Would be great if we had better options that forced them to the flanks (ala Kelly/Chapman being forced to flanks etc) but can't see any of the 2nd group replacing them soon/ever.

The above lists show just how far our midfield depth is from being elite.

What about ruck rover and rovers?

 

[Big Cat Lover]

I forgot Tuck & Grigg! Tuck = Ling in a way & Grigg a Corey I suppose. Both not quite up to their Geelong counterparts in reality.

Think that taking Martin/Deledio from the middle removes some real class where the ball is first in dispute.

Would love to have a player of Deledio's calibre operating on a HBF but his best position for us right now is in the middle.

Bottom line is we need better players in a a fair few positions around the ball.

Ablett = Cotchin
Bartel = Deledio
Selwood = Foley
Ling = Tuck
Chapman = Martin
Corey = Grigg
Kelly = Ellis
Johnson = Edwards ;D
Enright = Batchelor
Varcoe = Conca

In a player choice we don't win too many of those contests at this stage.

 

[rinso17]

I forgot Tuck & Grigg! Tuck = Ling in a way & Grigg a Corey I suppose. Both not quite up to their Geelong counterparts in reality.

Think that taking Martin/Deledio from the middle removes some real class where the ball is first in dispute.

Would love to have a player of Deledio's calibre operating on a HBF but his best position for us right now is in the middle.

Bottom line is we need better players in a a fair few positions around the ball.
Don't think we win any

Ablett = Cotchin
Bartel = Deledio
Selwood = Foley
Ling = Tuck
Chapman = Martin
Corey = Grigg
Kelly = Ellis
Johnson = Edwards ;D
Enright = Batchelor
Varcoe = Conca

In a player choice we don't win too many of those contests at this stage.

 

[Disco08]

I forgot Tuck & Grigg! Tuck = Ling in a way & Grigg a Corey I suppose. Both not quite up to their Geelong counterparts in reality.

Think that taking Martin/Deledio from the middle removes some real class where the ball is first in dispute.

Would love to have a player of Deledio's calibre operating on a HBF but his best position for us right now is in the middle.

Bottom line is we need better players in a a fair few positions around the ball.

:hihi

True, but this is a good thing to aim for. That's one of the best groups in history. They won the flag by 16 goals plus 19 of their last 20 by an average winning margin of shitloads. The fact we're even contemplating comparisons means we're on the right track.

Johnson = Knights might make it a little more palatable next year ;D Pretty tough ask whichever way though, and clearly the role we need to target this draft IMO.

I reckon Edwards > Varcoe though.

Matched up like this (from their '07 GF team):

Maric = Ottens
Cotchin = Ablett
Foley = Bartel
Conca = Selwood
Tuck = Ling
Martin = Chapman
Deledio = Corey
Ellis = Kelly
Knights = Johnson
Grimey = Enright
Edwards = Byrnes

Plus

Morris = Hunt
Houli = Wokcinski
Rance = Mackie
Batchelor = Milburn
King = Stokes
Reiwoldt = Mooney
Vickery = King
Chaplin/Astbury = Scarlett
Griffiths/Post = Harley
Jackson = Rooke
Elton/O'Hanlon = N Ablett

We're obviously miles behind in a few spots right now and a little in others (we don't win many either, maybe Deledio, Jack, Tyrone, Edwards & Morris) but have plenty of scope to develop/acquire the pieces we need including some stashed FA cash and a few nice picks this year.

If you can't get enthusiastic about it from that perspective (not you BCL) you've taken one too many mogadons IMHO.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Its an area we still have a ways to go as well. Hopefully this draft trade peiod can help. Its why leysy is a fan of getting Sylvia across if the price is right.

Agree, Bryan, Sylvia is exactly the type we need.

I've got a feeling that our #2 scoring forward this year has been the resting mids - Chimp, Martin and Lids. Maybe not far off #1. Our forward line is hopelessly one dimensional and sorely lacking talent and dynamism. Sylvia offers both these qualities. (And I believe he's a forward.)

These types don't come up often. He's a dynamic, punches well above his weight and can change forward/mid.

He's exactly the type we're looking for as a #3 forward if he can take on the role full time. How good would it be if we could get him to lay four tackles a game from a pocket? He hits very hard. Plays like he's 90kg. Or he can just change with Dusty. How much less attention would Martin get with Sylvia around? One of them has to get loose.

JHX if he wuz a free agent you'd snap him up. If he goes next year Melbourne get *smile* nuthen for him. The question is what would somebody else pay this year?

Warnings: He's never played a full season and is a bit of a crock suspect long term (rising 27yo). And he can be a bit iffy off-field. The former the bigger concern for mine.

BTW one of the likely side-effects of free agency IMO is that trade prices will fall. You can get X for nothing next year or cheaply this year. Must fall.

 

[zippadeee]

Agree, Bryan, Sylvia is exactly the type we need.

I've got a feeling that our #2 scoring forward this year has been the resting mids - Chimp, Martin and Lids. Maybe not far off #1. Our forward line is hopelessly one dimensional and sorely lacking talent and dynamism. Sylvia offers both these qualities. (And I believe he's a forward.)

These types don't come up often. He's a dynamic, punches well above his weight and can change forward/mid.

He's exactly the type we're looking for as a #3 forward if he can take on the role full time. How good would it be if we could get him to lay four tackles a game from a pocket? He hits very hard. Plays like he's 90kg. Or he can just change with Dusty. How much less attention would Martin get with Sylvia around? One of them has to get loose.

JHX if he wuz a free agent you'd snap him up. If he goes next year Melbourne get *smile* nuthen for him. The question is what would somebody else pay this year?

Warnings: He's never played a full season and is a bit of a crock suspect long term (rising 27yo). And he can be a bit iffy off-field. The former the bigger concern for mine.

BTW one of the likely side-effects of free agency IMO is that trade prices will fall. You can get X for nothing next year or cheaply this year. Must fall.

Silvia would be the 1st player I would chase, marks well, strong, and kicks goals! Would cost us our port pick and I reckon that pretty fair.

 

[Juffaricho]

Silvia would be the 1st player I would chase, marks well, strong, and kicks goals! Would cost us our port pick and I reckon that pretty fair.

Because I don't think we can win a premiership next year I would be patient, use the draft pick on the best talent and try to get him next year as a FA if available. If he's not, try to get another talented mid/fwd. He's good but not so dominant that it would be a disaster if we missed him.

 

[zippadeee]

Because I don't think we can win a premiership next year I would be patient, use the draft pick on the best talent and try to get him next year as a FA if available. If he's not, try to get another talented mid/fwd. He's good but not so dominant that it would be a disaster if we missed him.

He just plays for a really *smile* side, he needs a change and a good kick the ass and he will become an important part our side. Image him, Cotchin, lids, Martin rotating forward!
Goddard will cost us 700+, silivia the most $400.

 

[Juffaricho]

He just plays for a really sh!t side, he needs a change and a good kick the ass and he will become an important part our side. Image him, Cotchin, lids, Martin rotating forward!
Goddard will cost us 700+, silivia the most $400.

It's not the money I'm worried about, it's the draft pick it takes to get him this year when he is available next year.
I believe it would take a pick around 20 to get Sylvia. Sylvia is free next year. We have come along way over the last 3 years, the challenge is not getting ahead of ourselves like we have done in the past and trying to leap too far at once and blowing up. I like Sylvia as a player but as a list management decision right now - I would be patient and pass and invest that draft pick in young speed.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

Apparently Sam Gilbert, Montagna and Hayes have re-signed with the Saints.

Pretty much Goddard the only one left. Might well be gone.

 

[Juffaricho]

The issue I have with getting in a Sylvia types is that they improve our mids immediately but I think our talls are not ready yet so IMO we still can't be a threat in September. I want to get those types of guys at their current age (approx. 27) in 2 years time when Vickery is a stud, Elton is a definite solid backup and maybe pushing for regular spot, Post/Griffiths/Rance/Grimes/Astbury have figured out who are the studs and who have gone etc.

It is just going to be so hard to win finals with gun mids and young KPP's. I want to invest all those Rd 1 & Rd 2 draft picks now on young talented mids (preferably with speed), and then in 2014-15 when we are absolutely stacked with young mids fighting for a spot and more developed/seasoned talls (23-24 years old) then I'm happy to trade off a low 1st or 2nd rounder for top up 27 year old mids/HFF who can be game changers in the right squad.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

KEY DATES

August 1, 2pm - Nomination deadline for 17-year-old players under second and final year of GWS Giants Trade Incentive Rules.

October 1 - Commencement of Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency period.

October 5, 2pm - Nomination of Father-Son Eligible Players and Academy Bidding Players.

October 8, 10am - Father Son Eligible Players and Academy Players Bid Meeting.

October 8 - Commencement of Trade Period.

October 19, 2pm - Deadline for GWS Giants to pre-list balance of any uncontracted players under List Establishment rules.

October 19, 5pm - Close to Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

October 23, 5pm - Trade Incentive Rule (17 year-olds). Deadline for trading.

October 26, 2pm - End of Trade Period.

October 26, 2.10pm - Trade Incentive (17 year-olds) Selection.

October 31, 2pm - List Lodgement One.

November 1 - Commencement to Delisted Player Free Agency Period.

November 13, 2pm - End to Delisted Player Free Agency Period.

 

[Gus]

We don't need to trade in my opinion. Just continue to draft smartly and build the list. If something at trade weeks jumps out as a good deal then great but we don't need to force things.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Ultimate AFL trade and free agency guide

Staff writers
From: News Limited newspapers
August 29, 2012

THE trade and free agency bonanza is just around the corner. Here's how your club stands, who you might gain and who's up for grabs.

News Limited's expert footy writers provide the lowdown on what to expect when the trade period kicks off two days after the Grand Final.

Who do you want your club to chase - and who are you scared of losing? Chat live with Jay Clark from noon AEST or leave a comment below.

RICHMOND

List changes: A few already. Brad Miller and Kel Moore have retired, Dan Connors is gone and Dean McDonald took indefinite personal leave early in the season. Rookie John Heslin has returned to Ireland.

Free agents: Brett Deledio (signed), Nathan Foley (signed), Luke McGuane (restricted), Shane Tuck (unrestricted), Kel More (retired)

On the move? The rumour mill has Matt White asking his manager to shop him around. There could be some interest in McGuane as a tall who can play either end. Shane Tuck is waiting on a new deal but Damien Hardwick said last week he's a required player.

Market moves: Tigers list analyst Blair Hartley, the man responsible for recruiting Bachar Houli, Shaun Grigg and Ivan Maric, set his sights months ago on Port Adelaide defender Troy Chaplin. The Tigers have expertly landed players to fill specific needs in recent years and this year that need is a gorilla to take the big forwards and free up Alex Rance. Chaplin reportedly has a four-year offer is on the table. Adelaide's Chris Knights is also a hot tip to head to Punt Rd and don't rule out free agent Jordan Russell following former Carlton teammate Grigg to Tigerland. Meanwhile, the Tigers are interested onlookers in the Travis Cloke saga.

Safe: Foley signed a new three-year deal yesterday. The big names are all locked away after Brett Deledio signed a five-year contract in March. Ty Vickery has signed until the end of 2014 while Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin and Jack Riewoldt are all contracted until at least the end of the 2013 season.


Every clubs write-ups here: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/ultimate-afl-trade-month-guide/story-e6frf9jf-1226459298132

 

[Tigerfan]

That's interesting. Is Matty White out of contract?

 

[uhuh uhuh]

That is three big names to sign next year
Cotch
Martin
Reiwaldt

 

[Scoop]

The issue I have with getting in a Sylvia types is that they improve our mids immediately but I think our talls are not ready yet so IMO we still can't be a threat in September. I want to get those types of guys at their current age (approx. 27) in 2 years time when Vickery is a stud, Elton is a definite solid backup and maybe pushing for regular spot, Post/Griffiths/Rance/Grimes/Astbury have figured out who are the studs and who have gone etc.

It is just going to be so hard to win finals with gun mids and young KPP's. I want to invest all those Rd 1 & Rd 2 draft picks now on young talented mids (preferably with speed), and then in 2014-15 when we are absolutely stacked with young mids fighting for a spot and more developed/seasoned talls (23-24 years old) then I'm happy to trade off a low 1st or 2nd rounder for top up 27 year old mids/HFF who can be game changers in the right squad.

And I get the feeling that this is the way we are going. And that's the way I want to go with it as well.

If we walk away with anything but mids with our first three picks I will be annoyed.