Blair's Boys - 2012 Trade Week Targets

[Col.E.Kurtz]

The issue I have with getting in a Sylvia types is that they improve our mids immediately but I think our talls are not ready yet so IMO we still can't be a threat in September. I want to get those types of guys at their current age (approx. 27) in 2 years time when Vickery is a stud, Elton is a definite solid backup and maybe pushing for regular spot, Post/Griffiths/Rance/Grimes/Astbury have figured out who are the studs and who have gone etc.

It is just going to be so hard to win finals with gun mids and young KPP's. I want to invest all those Rd 1 & Rd 2 draft picks now on young talented mids (preferably with speed), and then in 2014-15 when we are absolutely stacked with young mids fighting for a spot and more developed/seasoned talls (23-24 years old) then I'm happy to trade off a low 1st or 2nd rounder for top up 27 year old mids/HFF who can be game changers in the right squad.

I hear what you are saying, but I think sometimes you just have to go when it’s your turn. Next year we have a midfield entering its prime that should play finals. We also have a number of talls in the 3-6 year band can’t carry the team, but can do enough to get a team to finals.


Things don’t always go to plan and we shouldn’t put all our eggs in the 2014 basket. Hawks won their last premiership earlier than the age profile would normally allow, and a key player for us might do his knee early in 2014.

 

[Juffaricho]

I hear what you are saying, but I think sometimes you just have to go when it’s your turn. Next year we have a midfield entering its prime that should play finals. We also have a number of talls in the 3-6 year band can’t carry the team, but can do enough to get a team to finals.


Things don’t always go to plan and we shouldn’t put all our eggs in the 2014 basket. Hawks won their last premiership earlier than the age profile would normally allow, and a key player for us might do his knee early in 2014.

I'm putting my eggs in the 2014 to 2020 baskets... Plural. I want 7 years of consistent performances, not the same old get close then try to leapfrog our way in like we kept doing in the past. Drafting and developing our own is the safest way to ensure some consistency which would turn this club into a super power and set us up for sustained success long into the future.

 

[cmarkidis]

Don't know if his name is mentioned anywhere in this thread, nor do I know of his contractual situation; but I note with interest West Coast's dilema re their key forwards - Quentin Lynch would be a great fill at CHF for a couple of years. The Leigh Brown type that would have a real impact imo.

 

[TOT70]

I'm putting my eggs in the 2014 to 2020 baskets... Plural. I want 7 years of consistent performances, not the same old get close then try to leapfrog our way in like we kept doing in the past. Drafting and developing our own is the safest way to ensure some consistency which would turn this club into a super power and set us up for sustained success long into the future.

Free Agency is a game-changer.

Trading to fast-track has failed in the past because the only commodities with currency were superstar players and early, preferably first-round, draft picks. A team needed to trade away at least two early picks to get a superstar and even one was required to get a decent player. Late picks and journeymen players had zero currency and could not be used successfully to bolster the ranks.

The game has changed now. A team can keep its early picks and bolster its ranks with experienced players.

The next big thing in AFL will be the team that successfully combines an aggressive Free Agency strategy with nailing its early National Draft picks.

 

[Juffaricho]

Free Agency is a game-changer.

Trading to fast-track has failed in the past because the only commodities with currency were superstar players and early, preferably first-round, draft picks. A team needed to trade away at least two early picks to get a superstar and even one was required to get a decent player. Late picks and journeymen players had zero currency and could not be used successfully to bolster the ranks.

The game has changed now. A team can keep its early picks and bolster its ranks with experienced players.

The next big thing in AFL will be the team that successfully combines an aggressive Free Agency strategy with nailing its early National Draft picks.

Absolutely, which is why I don't understand people suggesting to trade Rd.1 or 2 draft picks for contracted players from other clubs. Use our draft picks on top oung talent and only bring players to the club via late draft pick trades or Free Agency.

 

[TOT70]

Absolutely, which is why I don't understand people suggesting to trade Rd.1 or 2 draft picks for contracted players from other clubs. Use our draft picks on top oung talent and only bring players to the club via late draft pick trades or Free Agency.

No, I don't understand it either. It is counter-productive to trade for contracted players. All you have to do to bolster the ranks now is to get players via Free Agency for nothing, give them a three or four year contract and do it again next year.

The other aspect to free agency is that once the final lists are set, there will be a number of delisted players, all of whom become instant Free Agents and can be contracted immediately. Why trade for a fringe player when you can wait till the delistings are done and choose from a number of them?

Trading is the last thing you would do to get a player to you club.

 

[year of the tiger]

And I get the feeling that this is the way we are going. And that's the way I want to go with it as well.

If we walk away with anything but mids with our first three picks I will be annoyed.

Yes - but they need to have genuine speed - perhaps go for an Atley type to compliment the Conca and Ellis types

 

[linuscambridge]

No, I don't understand it either. It is counter-productive to trade for contracted players. All you have to do to bolster the ranks now is to get players via Free Agency for nothing, give them a three or four year contract and do it again next year.

The other aspect to free agency is that once the final lists are set, there will be a number of delisted players, all of whom become instant Free Agents and can be contracted immediately. Why trade for a fringe player when you can wait till the delistings are done and choose from a number of them?

Trading is the last thing you would do to get a player to you club.

Agree and it actually suits the stage the Tigers are at perfectly. Teams that already have the high end talent and are looking to improve depth and the quality in players 12 to 22 should do really well with free agency. The stars will still be hard to get but there will be plenty of good ordinary players, that are perhaps not quiet as ordinary as the ones you have got, that can be gained through free agency.

 

[BrisTiger24]

Free Agency is a game-changer.

Trading to fast-track has failed in the past because the only commodities with currency were superstar players and early, preferably first-round, draft picks. A team needed to trade away at least two early picks to get a superstar and even one was required to get a decent player. Late picks and journeymen players had zero currency and could not be used successfully to bolster the ranks.

The game has changed now. A team can keep its early picks and bolster its ranks with experienced players.

The next big thing in AFL will be the team that successfully combines an aggressive Free Agency strategy with nailing its early National Draft picks.

Spot on. Best of both worlds.

 

[tigersnake]

Just asked the Port fanatic at work whats the story with Chaplin. 'drops marks' was the reply, FWIW.

 

[Brodders17]

Don't know if his name is mentioned anywhere in this thread, nor do I know of his contractual situation; but I note with interest West Coast's dilema re their key forwards - Quentin Lynch would be a great fill at CHF for a couple of years. The Leigh Brown type that would have a real impact imo.

How old is he?

Absolutely, which is why I don't understand people suggesting to trade Rd.1 or 2 draft picks for contracted players from other clubs. Use our draft picks on top oung talent and only bring players to the club via late draft pick trades or Free Agency.

i think there is still room for trading, either to bring good young talent in, if they are available, or to bring in fringe type players for lower draft picks. or to fill a big hole on the list, like Maric last year.
it would take a pretty special player a judd type perhaps, though to warrant trading away high draft picks.
maybe player for player swaps will become more prevalent.

 

[tigersnake]

Quentin Lynch? What's the most emphatic way of writing 'no'? Anyway, whatever it is, its not emphatic enough. Old, overrated, not much good, a sook, not a good mark. Can kick long from a set shot, and can pause well for effect before removing his glove.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Free Agency is a game-changer.

Trading to fast-track has failed in the past because the only commodities with currency were superstar players and early, preferably first-round, draft picks. A team needed to trade away at least two early picks to get a superstar and even one was required to get a decent player. Late picks and journeymen players had zero currency and could not be used successfully to bolster the ranks.

The game has changed now. A team can keep its early picks and bolster its ranks with experienced players.

The next big thing in AFL will be the team that successfully combines an aggressive Free Agency strategy with nailing its early National Draft picks.

I think we all pretty much agree that one of Richmond's most prominent weaknesses is the quality of our soldiers, TOT. And that through free agency we can address this along with perhaps a high quality or A grade player or two - say a Soldier Knights, a HQ Chaplin and an A grade Goddard, or similar.

FWIW I don't think say, Sylvia is on our radar nor I am gung ho about that player himself (much as I think we're screaming for the type). But he makes an interesting example.

Suppose Sylvia were to walk out on Melbourne next year. He can just nominate for the draft and they get nothing. He will cost his new club a pick, for argument's sake, of around 20. Cost #20. Reward to Melbourne Zip. (Think Luke Ball.)

Through Limited Free Agency he can nominate a club and Melbourne have to match the offer. But he can still walk. But suppose he is moved on (effectively traded) through the Free Agency deal. He ranks as a 500k player. So they get an AFL pick for him. Unless they poach a player themselves through the Free Agency deal. Then they get nothing. And with salary cap pressure (must pay x%) and the need to bolster a *smile* list Melbourne would have to go after someone. Nett result - Melbourne get nothing but it's likely Sylvia would cost his new club more.

So. Here's a deal. Dear Melbourne, Please find enclosed pick #37(?) for Sylvia. We'll take over and extend his existing contract, leaving you TPP space to go after a free agent this year. Or we can offer you pick number get nicked next year. Thanking you in advance for your co-operation and get a dog up ya. <3 Tiges x

I expect trade prices to fall under Free Agency. Maybe plummet. It could be a stand off this year or the arse could fall out of it straight away. Either way interesting times ahead.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Just asked the Port fanatic at work whats the story with Chaplin. 'drops marks' was the reply, FWIW.

He's improved a lot in the past twelve months or so, TS.

BTW I watched a Port game with a mate a couple of years ago and I told him early in the game that it would surprise me if Chaplin touched the ball in the overhead all night. (That is touched the ball, at all, at over shoulder height.) We missed ten minutes or so of the game but while we watched he did not make overhead contact with the ball. He took marks. In his hands. But all were below shoulder height.

It's not terminal and he's improved out of sight overhead. Furthermore he's one of those blokes who boxes out and owns territory. And you won't mark over him. He has very clean skills. He is a great get and I reckon will improve again under Leppa.

 

[tigersnake]

He's improved a lot in the past twelve months or so, TS.

BTW I watched a Port game with a mate a couple of years ago and I told him early in the game that it would surprise me if Chaplin touched the ball in the overhead all night. (That is touched the ball, at all, at over shoulder height.) We missed ten minutes or so of the game but while we watched he did not make overhead contact with the ball. He took marks. In his hands. But all were below shoulder height.

It's not terminal and he's improved out of sight overhead. Furthermore he's one of those blokes who boxes out and owns territory. And you won't mark over him. He has very clean skills. He is a great get and I reckon will improve again under Leppa.

You've eased my concerns Trotski. This particular bloke pikes on his bets so I didn't take it as gospel..,beside, Chaplin is a Ballarat boy, he has to be pretty good.

 

[TOT70]

Suppose Sylvia were to walk out on Melbourne next year. He can just nominate for the draft and they get nothing. He will cost his new club a pick, for argument's sake, of around 20. Cost #20. Reward to Melbourne Zip. (Think Luke Ball.)

Through Limited Free Agency he can nominate a club and Melbourne have to match the offer. But he can still walk. But suppose he is moved on (effectively traded) through the Free Agency deal. He ranks as a 500k player. So they get an AFL pick for him. Unless they poach a player themselves through the Free Agency deal. Then they get nothing. And with salary cap pressure (must pay x%) and the need to bolster a sh!te list Melbourne would have to go after someone. Nett result - Melbourne get nothing but it's likely Sylvia would cost his new club more.

So. Here's a deal. Dear Melbourne, Please find enclosed pick #37(?) for Sylvia. We'll take over and extend his existing contract, leaving you TPP space to go after a free agent this year. Or we can offer you pick number get nicked next year. Thanking you in advance for your co-operation and get a dog up ya. <3 Tiges x

I expect trade prices to fall under Free Agency. Maybe plummet. It could be a stand off this year or the arse could fall out of it straight away. Either way interesting times ahead.

Under FA, the club that takes a player will have to squeeze his wages under its salary cap but otherwise gets him for nix. The club that loses the player may be compensated via a AFL manufactured Draft pick, which will come in very handy. They could, of course, pick up a FA themselves, in which case they will get nix. Everybody else foots the bill by shuffling down the Draft order every time a deal goes down. There is really only going to be one winner.

Participate often and participate hard, I reckon!

Trading, on the other hand, will go the way of Paris Hilton, once glamorous and on the cover of every magazine, now just another ditzy, Peroxide Blonde with boyf issues.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Absolutely, which is why I don't understand people suggesting to trade Rd.1 or 2 draft picks for contracted players from other clubs. Use our draft picks on top oung talent and only bring players to the club via late draft pick trades or Free Agency.

Actually I think we are agreeing. I think we should go for it in free agency but keep drafting for talent.
The only time I would consider trading top 30 pick is for a young midfielder (e.g. a Caddy/Hartlett type).
Draft for talent, FA is for need

 

[cmarkidis]

Quentin Lynch? What's the most emphatic way of writing 'no'? Anyway, whatever it is, its not emphatic enough. Old, overrated, not much good, a sook, not a good mark. Can kick long from a set shot, and can pause well for effect before removing his glove.

Just throwing it up as a possibility. Would be cheap and far better than McGoose at CHF.

 

[tigertim]

Left field suggestion: Patrick Rose. Kicked 100 goals for Wangaratta this year and ripped it in the VFL for Port and Willy but didnt get a chance with the Bullies. Knows how to kick a goal but at 26 and playing country footy is a long shot.

And of course the annual suggestion: Myles Sewell.

 

[percyms]

Silvia would be the 1st player I would chase, marks well, strong, and kicks goals! Would cost us our port pick and I reckon that pretty fair.

Agree with this Zip. Always been a fan of Sylvia if he can stay on the park and keep his temper in check he would be a great get for us.