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Bleed for Your Team Mates or Just a Job?

Timmy99

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Is there a cancer that has eroded our once great club? Or was the selfish footballer who played for himself first always going to become more prevalent as we moved into the age of the professional footballer? This is the question I have been pondering lately.

I have been thinking about this and wondering whether we, as supporters of the RFC expect too much from players in this day and age?

I won’t go into the history of the Richmond Footy club, or try to pretend that I have any great insights into what went wrong specifically for our club. What I will do is recount a story I was told last weekend. This story is about the culture of one particular Rugby League Club. I won’t name the club or players involved for privacy reasons but I wonder if this is typical of the way “club culture” is going at AFL clubs.

My sister has recently started dating a “junior” player at a Rugby League club, and along with a few other people, we spent the long weekend down the coast. Over a few beers and a number of ciggies (I was surprised to learn he has a pack a day smoker) he opened up and let us know what some of his thoughts on the matter were.

I asked him about the whole issue of “club culture” and how exciting it must be to play for a club with tradition. His response took me by surprise, but I wonder if it is reflective of how many AFL players also feel. He said that from what he could see tradition was dead. He felt more pride playing for his local junior football team.

The story he recounted for me was from a mid week training session last season, when the team had a session with an expert in building relationships/Team bonding etc.

In a frank an open discussion, this is apparently what a two of the players said when asked a question along the lines of why they play the game and what motivates them.

Player 1: I play the game because I love it. I don’t care who I play for, I just love playing the game (senior player who has represented New Zealand).

Player 2: It’s a business, I know I am lucky to have this as a job, however I treat it like I would any other job. I will be loyal to my employer and team mates while I am here, but if a better opportunity comes up i.e. more money, I will leave. This player signed with another club at seasons end (Senior Player who has played Origin Football and for Australia).

What these and other players said, left my friend and his young team mates under no illusions that in professional sport these days (at this club anyway), you have to treat it like a business and look after number one.

So what’s the answer? Is it really just a business for most players these days? Is it unreasonable for us to expect players to bleed for the club? Are we surprised that there are stories of players “playing for themselves” and ignoring team instructions?

As a supporter I would bleed for my club.

If I was a footballer however, a bloke trying to earn a living and support his family would I put my head over the ball and risk serious injury? Or would I play outside mid, loose man in defence etc and try to pick up some cheap stats. Of course I want to win a premiership. But is my desire to try and keep my spot on the list for next season thwarting this goal?

Maybe the answer is that our football needs to start running the club more like a business if we are going to reach premership glory again.
 
great post and good question.

it is exactly how it is these days.

I do think though if a player ends up at the club he supported as a kid, he will definately have a reason to bleed.

there would be no bigger honour than playing for the club you supported for your whole life.
 
excellent post wish they all would like st francis did for our club still can see that picture of him bleeding from the head :)
 
These days football is a business....... as "cut throat" a business as any.

Still requires total commitment and teamwork to be successful. More emphasis on people management and leadership than ever before is required to make it work.

Geelong 2007 v 2006 will make a classic case study one day.
 
I think it may differ from club to club as well.
Think Brisbane, 2001 on, it seemed like those players were a really tight bunch, well led and the leaders set the example for others to follow. Same with Sydney in its G/F years and even now. The players on the "outer" are certainly left in no doubt as to what's req'd (eg Davis)
I think if the club culture and club leaders don't stamp their ideals and winning, unselfish philosophies then too many players will meander. Players need this indoctrination in what built these clubs and the history and tradition that preceded them, and must put it into practice, if they don't care for it all, flick em.
Yep it is a business, but by the same token, the money and opportunities they are given they need and must put it on the line when req'd. It's part of the job description. Let alone let your team-mates down, that's just un-Australian.
 
Timmy99 said:
Is there a cancer that has eroded our once great club? Or was the selfish footballer who played for himself first always going to become more prevalent as we moved into the age of the professional footballer? This is the question I have been pondering lately.

I have been thinking about this and wondering whether we, as supporters of the RFC expect too much from players in this day and age?

I won’t go into the history of the Richmond Footy club, or try to pretend that I have any great insights into what went wrong specifically for our club. What I will do is recount a story I was told last weekend. This story is about the culture of one particular Rugby League Club. I won’t name the club or players involved for privacy reasons but I wonder if this is typical of the way “club culture” is going at AFL clubs.

My sister has recently started dating a “junior” player at a Rugby League club, and along with a few other people, we spent the long weekend down the coast. Over a few beers and a number of ciggies (I was surprised to learn he has a pack a day smoker) he opened up and let us know what some of his thoughts on the matter were.

I asked him about the whole issue of “club culture” and how exciting it must be to play for a club with tradition. His response took me by surprise, but I wonder if it is reflective of how many AFL players also feel. He said that from what he could see tradition was dead. He felt more pride playing for his local junior football team.

The story he recounted for me was from a mid week training session last season, when the team had a session with an expert in building relationships/Team bonding etc.

In a frank an open discussion, this is apparently what a two of the players said when asked a question along the lines of why they play the game and what motivates them.

Player 1: I play the game because I love it. I don’t care who I play for, I just love playing the game (senior player who has represented New Zealand).

Player 2: It’s a business, I know I am lucky to have this as a job, however I treat it like I would any other job. I will be loyal to my employer and team mates while I am here, but if a better opportunity comes up i.e. more money, I will leave. This player signed with another club at seasons end (Senior Player who has played Origin Football and for Australia).

What these and other players said, left my friend and his young team mates under no illusions that in professional sport these days (at this club anyway), you have to treat it like a business and look after number one.

So what’s the answer? Is it really just a business for most players these days? Is it unreasonable for us to expect players to bleed for the club? Are we surprised that there are stories of players “playing for themselves” and ignoring team instructions?

As a supporter I would bleed for my club.

If I was a footballer however, a bloke trying to earn a living and support his family would I put my head over the ball and risk serious injury? Or would I play outside mid, loose man in defence etc and try to pick up some cheap stats. Of course I want to win a premiership. But is my desire to try and keep my spot on the list for next season thwarting this goal?

Maybe the answer is that our football needs to start running the club more like a business if we are going to reach premership glory again.

How longs he been at the Rabbitohs, Storm or the Dogs then ;D
 
Timmy99 said:
Player 1: I play the game because I love it. I don’t care who I play for, I just love playing the game (senior player who has represented New Zealand).

Player 2: It’s a business, I know I am lucky to have this as a job, however I treat it like I would any other job. I will be loyal to my employer and team mates while I am here, but if a better opportunity comes up i.e. more money, I will leave. This player signed with another club at seasons end (Senior Player who has played Origin Football and for Australia).

Be interesting to see a compiled list of our team who are playing for the love/money.
 
I sometimes wonder if our expectations about the courage of AFL players. I remember how Hunt got hounded for ducking his head. While many bagged him (me included) my thoughts were influenced when one of my opponents was hip and shouldered while courageously putting his head over the ball and became a paraplegic.
Hearing him screaming that he 'couldnt feel his legs' put the game into perspective for me.

I know its not the same thing as it just being a job, but I feel our expectations on players are too high. They are people who want a family, want a comfortable, want to enjoy a beer and experience the pleasures of life. They aren't men who are expendable, too put their lives at risk to entertain and achieve for us the fans.
 
Terry is kind of right I think, saying that we need to develop our own players.

Players that are there from 17 years old and play 100-150 or more games together with other players of the same age will build a bond and play more for each other.
 
craig said:
How longs he been at the Rabbitohs, Storm or the Dogs then ;D

One would think he is at the Dogs and Player 2 would have to be Willy Mason, Wayne Carey no.2 ::)
 
Excellent thread.
Well done Timmy.

This is what I am involved with every day, "How to build winning cultures in organisations on an individual, team or group level, www.mlq.com.au

All organisations, small & large, including government departments, are confronted with the challenge of building their individual professional executives into successful teams & groups.

The gist is to unite the individuals together towards common goals.

Again, it goes back to talent, leaders & environment.
Individuals, Teams & Organisations with united ethics & goals work well & succeed.
Where they are not united, leads to breakdowns & failure.

This link may provide more interesting reading: http://www.mlq.com.au/what_is_important.asp


In terms of a sporting organisation, such as the RFC, if the individuals can be bonded together with a common goal & ethic to succeed, & to support each other in doing so, success occurs.
When an individual cannot unite with the team or group towards that common goal & ethic to succeed, regardless of talent, then defections usually occur.

Hope this helps.
 
But what is really meant by such terms as "success" and "common goals"? There are two discourses in play here, underlying these terms. One is that of the football supporter. For him/her, both terms mean "win the premiership". For the corporate client who employs Phantom's mlq consultants, it means "produce wealth".

Some will say wealth production by a football club precedes the winning of premierships, thus both meanings underlie these terms for the football supporter as well.

The consultants will say "workplace satisfaction" leads to "wealth production", which is a nice line to keep everyone believing capitalism is the answer to the world's problems.

Next, what do the terms mean for a football player? That's debatable. My hunch is that the majority of players would prioritise personal wealth production over the winning of premierships- but we could only really know the answer to that question by having an academic conduct an in-depth, anonymous study of footballers' thoughts and desires. Would be very interesting research, yet to be conducted anywhere in the world to my knowledge.

Personally I can't stand the way the word "successful" is used to describe people who have achieved material wealth.

Rambling thoughts, sorry. At the end of the day, the lesson is this: be wary of going behind the scenes at a magic show; you might discover there's no magic to it at all. Whatever that means.
 
Tigerblood said:
But what is really meant by such terms as "success" and "common goals"?

Each organisation/sporting club will define their own vision of these terms. It can be a "mission statement".

Once defined, this should become the united vision for all individuals & teams within the group.

Success is judged by achieving the common goals/vision.
 
Tigers of Old said:
I'm glad not everyone advertises their services in threads remotely related to their business.

Your bar and entertainment act in Patpong not relevent to this thread ToO.
 
Hayfever said:
These days football is a business....... as "cut throat" a business as any.

Still requires total commitment and teamwork to be successful. More emphasis on people management and leadership than ever before is required to make it work.

Geelong 2007 v 2006 will make a classic case study one day.
Good post Mr Sneeze