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Boat Discussion
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Sintiger said:
"Everything which is now taking place before our eyes threatens to have explosive consequences for the whole of Europe. Europes response is madness. We must acknowledge that the European Unions misguided immigration policy is responsible for this situation. Irresponsibility is the mark of every European politician who holds out the promise of a better life to immigrants and encourages them to leave everything behind and risk their lives in setting out for Europe. If Europe does not return to the path of common sense, it will find itself laid low in a battle for its fate."
- Viktor Orban, Hungarian PM
Sintiger said:
Even if so, it's not the least-heard view. Criticism of the boat policy has been deafening to my ears.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Baloo said:
"Illegal" isn't "overlooked" it was injected into the language by those who chose to reframe this issue into a "border security" issue instead of an immigration issue. (And a tiny one at that, this massive beat up is about a tiny percentage of our immigration) It has been hyped and the vitcims blamed and persecuted and if you want to talk about "illegal" then yes illegally detained offshore in contrivention of their rights as ratified by our government.
The 1788 boat people were originally welcomed by the locals. A decision regretted by quite a few of them within a very short time.
Brodders17 said:
Don't know anything else about him, but he's (presumably) the elected leader of a country of 10 million.
"We have proposed to the European Commission to host 200 Syrian Christians because Slovakia is a Christian country, and if you want to integrate people, religion and culture must be similar. Slovakia is a Christian country forever, we can not accept an arrival of 300,000 or 400,000 Muslim migrants who would build mosques all over the country and attempt to change the nature and values of our state."
- Robert Fico, Slovakian PM
Surely you at least accept that some high-ranking politicians hold an alternate view.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
i was just wondering whether you chose to quote him bc you generally like his opinion or whether you just picked one quote from one leader to suit your point.
and yes i am sure there are many politicians who hold a range of opinions on this.
What $1500 gets you: a luxury hotel room in Sydney and Melbourne - or a night's detention on Christmas Island
Date April 19, 2016 - 5:51PM
Christmas Island costs revealed
See where you could stay on the deluxe hotel market for the price of holding one detainee on Christmas Island for one day.
Australian taxpayers fork out $1458 a night for each person held at the Christmas Island detention centre – equal to luxury hotel rooms in Sydney and Melbourne boasting glittering city views and Steinway grand pianos.
Some 167 men were held at the facility at the end of February, costing the public purse a staggering $243,000 a day.
The figures have emerged a fortnight before the federal budget, in which Turnbull government has warned of restrained spending as it seeks to return to surplus.
*You could have this... the Presidential Suite at the Sir Stamford hotel at Sydney's Circular Quay.
The expense is on top of spending on mainland detention centres, and the $1.2 billion cost of running offshore detention centres last financial year.
In response to a question posed by Labor at Senate estimates, the Department of Immigration and Border Protection revealed the daily cost of keeping someone detained at Christmas Island was $1458.
The presidential suite at the Sir Stamford hotel in Sydney's Circular Quay costs $1500 a night, and features Italian silk wall coverings, a Steinway Grand piano, mahogany writing desk and a Louis XV marble fireplace.
*You could also have this... Melbourne's Crown Towers Premier Club Suite.
Melbourne's Crown Towers Premier Club Suite, at $1400 a night, offers "unparalleled luxury" including panoramic views, floor to ceiling windows, walk-in dressing room and complimentary drinks and canapés.
In contrast, a former Christmas Island detainee told Fairfax Media the facilities there were a "one out of 10".
Men slept in bunk beds in dorms holding 16 people. The rooms usually contained a small sealed window and were "very dirty, very unhygienic".
*Or maybe this... the Christmas Island Detention Centre.
"The food is absolutely rubbish. You'd get mainly curry – curried beef, curried pasta. It's worse than hospital food, there is nothing to chew on," he said.
"The chicken is old and undercooked. It's horrible."
The man said the conditions had fuelled tensions among detainees, and contributed to riots at the centre last November.
As Fairfax Media has reported, the cost of Australia's immigration detention system recently blew out by more than $1 billion and the time detainees spend in detention centres has reached a record high under the Turnbull government, leading to higher than expected detention centre populations.
The department also revealed it intends to spend about $7.1 million on extra security measures at the Christmas Island centre, which Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has said houses a "hardened criminal population" awaiting deportation after visa cancellations. It is understood asylum seekers are also held there.
Labor's immigration spokesman Richard Marles said Australian taxpayers were left to carry the high cost of detention "because of this Liberal government's inaction and incompetence".
"This government has had more than two and a half years to resolve this issue, but slow processing and the lack of a proper third country resettlement agreement have resulted in these cost blowouts," he said.
Comment has been sought from the department and Mr Dutton.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/what-1500-gets-you-a-luxury-hotel-room-in-sydney-and-melbourne--or-a-nights-detention-on-christmas-island-20160419-go9tyb.html#ixzz46G10Z0nH
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Could probably get a few asylum seekers in one of those suites as well! If four could fit in comfortably, that would reduce the individual cost to app $375 a person per night.
Date April 19, 2016 - 5:51PM
Christmas Island costs revealed
See where you could stay on the deluxe hotel market for the price of holding one detainee on Christmas Island for one day.
Australian taxpayers fork out $1458 a night for each person held at the Christmas Island detention centre – equal to luxury hotel rooms in Sydney and Melbourne boasting glittering city views and Steinway grand pianos.
Some 167 men were held at the facility at the end of February, costing the public purse a staggering $243,000 a day.
The figures have emerged a fortnight before the federal budget, in which Turnbull government has warned of restrained spending as it seeks to return to surplus.
*You could have this... the Presidential Suite at the Sir Stamford hotel at Sydney's Circular Quay.
The expense is on top of spending on mainland detention centres, and the $1.2 billion cost of running offshore detention centres last financial year.
In response to a question posed by Labor at Senate estimates, the Department of Immigration and Border Protection revealed the daily cost of keeping someone detained at Christmas Island was $1458.
The presidential suite at the Sir Stamford hotel in Sydney's Circular Quay costs $1500 a night, and features Italian silk wall coverings, a Steinway Grand piano, mahogany writing desk and a Louis XV marble fireplace.
*You could also have this... Melbourne's Crown Towers Premier Club Suite.
Melbourne's Crown Towers Premier Club Suite, at $1400 a night, offers "unparalleled luxury" including panoramic views, floor to ceiling windows, walk-in dressing room and complimentary drinks and canapés.
In contrast, a former Christmas Island detainee told Fairfax Media the facilities there were a "one out of 10".
Men slept in bunk beds in dorms holding 16 people. The rooms usually contained a small sealed window and were "very dirty, very unhygienic".
*Or maybe this... the Christmas Island Detention Centre.
"The food is absolutely rubbish. You'd get mainly curry – curried beef, curried pasta. It's worse than hospital food, there is nothing to chew on," he said.
"The chicken is old and undercooked. It's horrible."
The man said the conditions had fuelled tensions among detainees, and contributed to riots at the centre last November.
As Fairfax Media has reported, the cost of Australia's immigration detention system recently blew out by more than $1 billion and the time detainees spend in detention centres has reached a record high under the Turnbull government, leading to higher than expected detention centre populations.
The department also revealed it intends to spend about $7.1 million on extra security measures at the Christmas Island centre, which Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has said houses a "hardened criminal population" awaiting deportation after visa cancellations. It is understood asylum seekers are also held there.
Labor's immigration spokesman Richard Marles said Australian taxpayers were left to carry the high cost of detention "because of this Liberal government's inaction and incompetence".
"This government has had more than two and a half years to resolve this issue, but slow processing and the lack of a proper third country resettlement agreement have resulted in these cost blowouts," he said.
Comment has been sought from the department and Mr Dutton.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/what-1500-gets-you-a-luxury-hotel-room-in-sydney-and-melbourne--or-a-nights-detention-on-christmas-island-20160419-go9tyb.html#ixzz46G10Z0nH
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
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Could probably get a few asylum seekers in one of those suites as well! If four could fit in comfortably, that would reduce the individual cost to app $375 a person per night.
