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PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
1997-2007
I am posing the question about teams bottoming out, and what were the results. I am looking at the above ten year period and analysing the facts.
This is just a random period selected, 10 years a nice even amount and am just looking at the bottom 4 teams of each of those years, and what have they done since?
1997. 13. RICH 14.ESS 15.HAW 16.MELB
1998. 13.HAW. 14.COLL 15.FREM 16.BRIS
1999. 13.ADEL 14.MELB 15. FREM 16 COLL
2000. 13.WCE 14.PORT 15.COLL 16 STK
2001. 13.KANG 14.WCE. 15.STK 16.FREM
2002. 13.FREM 14.RICH 15.STK 16. CARL
2003. 13.RICH 14.MELB 15.CARL. 16.BULL
2004. 13.COLL. 14.BULL. 15.HAW. 16.RICH
2005. 13.ESS. 14.HAW. 15.COLL 16.CARL
2006. 13.BRIS 14.KANG 15.ESS 16. CARL
2007. 13.BULL 14.MELB 15.CARL 16.RICH
So what do we make of all this? Does tanking or bottoming out work? If so where is the evidence? The only odd factors concerning this table were that Adelaide were lucky, yes they won the flag in 97, 98. So it looks good for them, but they still had 1 bottom 4 finish.
Who is missing you ask? Geelong and Sydney are not there? they have both NOT bottomed out and won a flag each. The other factor is Stkilda, where has their rebuild from around 2000 taken them? they were close to a grand final, but close is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
From the above table here are the RESULTS.
Team. Grandfinals Flags Bottom 4 finish
ESS 2 1 3
MELB 1 0 4
COLL 2 0 5
BRIS 4 3 2
ADEL 2 2 1
STK 1 0 3
PORT 2 1 1
KANG 1 1 2
CARL 1 0 5
WCE 2 1 2
HAW 0 0 4
BULL 0 0 3
FREM 0 0 4
RICH 0 0 5
Summary. Yes, it is clearly proven you can climb out of the bottom 4 for success. Is this the best way to go? Or can teams do a Geelong or Sydney and not go there? I will leave this for you to judge.
YELLOW AND BLACK BACK 2 BACK 2011/2012 ;D
I am posing the question about teams bottoming out, and what were the results. I am looking at the above ten year period and analysing the facts.
This is just a random period selected, 10 years a nice even amount and am just looking at the bottom 4 teams of each of those years, and what have they done since?
1997. 13. RICH 14.ESS 15.HAW 16.MELB
1998. 13.HAW. 14.COLL 15.FREM 16.BRIS
1999. 13.ADEL 14.MELB 15. FREM 16 COLL
2000. 13.WCE 14.PORT 15.COLL 16 STK
2001. 13.KANG 14.WCE. 15.STK 16.FREM
2002. 13.FREM 14.RICH 15.STK 16. CARL
2003. 13.RICH 14.MELB 15.CARL. 16.BULL
2004. 13.COLL. 14.BULL. 15.HAW. 16.RICH
2005. 13.ESS. 14.HAW. 15.COLL 16.CARL
2006. 13.BRIS 14.KANG 15.ESS 16. CARL
2007. 13.BULL 14.MELB 15.CARL 16.RICH
So what do we make of all this? Does tanking or bottoming out work? If so where is the evidence? The only odd factors concerning this table were that Adelaide were lucky, yes they won the flag in 97, 98. So it looks good for them, but they still had 1 bottom 4 finish.
Who is missing you ask? Geelong and Sydney are not there? they have both NOT bottomed out and won a flag each. The other factor is Stkilda, where has their rebuild from around 2000 taken them? they were close to a grand final, but close is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
From the above table here are the RESULTS.
Team. Grandfinals Flags Bottom 4 finish
ESS 2 1 3
MELB 1 0 4
COLL 2 0 5
BRIS 4 3 2
ADEL 2 2 1
STK 1 0 3
PORT 2 1 1
KANG 1 1 2
CARL 1 0 5
WCE 2 1 2
HAW 0 0 4
BULL 0 0 3
FREM 0 0 4
RICH 0 0 5
Summary. Yes, it is clearly proven you can climb out of the bottom 4 for success. Is this the best way to go? Or can teams do a Geelong or Sydney and not go there? I will leave this for you to judge.
YELLOW AND BLACK BACK 2 BACK 2011/2012 ;D