Bowden disgrace.

[lamb22]

who do we blame *smile* or terry wallace. a bit of both me thinks.

What a load of utter crap that is dribbling down the side of your mouth Claw.  If you go back to CC's first post, (should be nominated for the post of the year  ;D), he summarises J. Bowden's season so far.

I think Claw is right to an extent.  First Joel had a bad one - but your allowed the odd bad one - what made it worse though were a couple of real soft marking attempts and a couple of howlers (eg handball to Davey for goal).  Last year Kellaway picked up Robertson and was the obvious match up again IMO - could  have made a difference.

I am not feeling too bad about last night - was at the game and our 'off the ball' game was for the most part good terrific marking, running, zoning, lots of disciplined off ball play.  So was melbourne however - that's why the game got bogged down. I thought Melbourne were vulnerable early and we seemed to get on top about half way through the third - just really had a poor second quarter - too tentative and also not confident with the footskills often ignored a loose man in the middle to find a soft target out wide.  Lots of good signs from the kids - Polo what a great job on Bruce.  Tambling and White - the number of times thes guys led hard and fast to receive and were ignored was amazing - this will change as they gain more browny points.  Tambling in particular made position inside 50 up the middle but tiges either not confident in their skills or his to go there.

Also Foley - if i hear one more nong talk about him being slow  - another 21 possession and he couldn't have played more than 60 minutes. Only one that actually broke the lines effectively from half back and created time and space for our players upfield.  Hyde disappointing in this respect.

Finally Moore - not a fan generally and very concerned about his selection - but played on Yze and did a great job defensively - had him moved to half back where he started to get a few touches - didn't do much offensively but OK  I think TW might have him in mnd to play the Newman role for the rest of the year.  I am prepared to give him a chance- he does have nice skills and pace - question with Moore is just mental toughness I think.  Playing alongside Kellaway should help.

PS Simmo switched on last night and focused - Browny needed this one to move on I think - mind was at last year's game - great effort to be back at all though  :thumbsup

 

[tiger_25]

He and 18 of his teamates were sh!t, why single out one player?

170 or so ranking points ;D included 7 clangers, so would have got over the 200 mark

Get of the guys back. At least he is getting hands on the ball... more than most last night.

In a night where players such as Browny had 8 clangers and travis johnson was spraying them everyweher you cant blame bowden. Dont know what it was there last night but even the best in the league could not hit a target.

 

[Stuart]

JOEL BOWDEN - Dead set disgrace tonight and proved the greatest advertisement that quality possessions are more important than quantity.
Joel turned in a vintage turnover performance tonight, as well as stop start back and forward, stuttering stop start play, and i lost track at how many of his easy possessions went straight to the opposition.
For a so called leader Bowden makes just as many mental explosions and turns over possession as much if not more than a few of his more celebrated turnover companions and always has done.
Have never seen a player get so much of the footy and do absolutely nothing with it to hurt the opposition.
In fact as pointed out by Brereton (god help me for agreeing with him) but we went better with him off the ground when he was deservedly benched.
When the ball is so often in your defensive half there is no easier job on the footy field than running around and scoring lose free, possessions at will, and my mum could do that.

The guy has been superb for 2 years, puts in a shocker & you rip the sh!t out of him. If you posted this under the influence I understand, frustration etc.. but seriously no one can be BOG every week. Wake up mate. What a sh!t post.

 

[Knighter]

You are the disgrace Craig not any of our Tiger players.

Sure they had a downer last night but their efforts also caused Melbourne to have a poor game that their hierachy is not happy with too. Both sides have come back from a six day break and interstate games so preparation and rest may well be a factor in such a strange game of football that was full of lots of mistakes from both sides.

We should be supporting our players and officials come rain or sunshine and not bagging them on an almost anonymous internet forum.

If you really think that Joel is a disgrace then get down to Tigerland on Monday morning and tell him to his face. He'll be there at about 9am. Don't do it in the carpark either, get in the rooms with the entire playing group and tell him in from of all of them. Then put the boxing gloves on and get in the ring with him for three minutes.

If you can't do that then stick your post in a black hole and start a new thread to pat him on the back and wish him all the best for his next game, and I hope its against the Swannies.

Ripper post RJ, I'd love to see these serial keyboard warriors face up to our blokes in person. They'd turn to jelly in seconds.

I've had the occasional outburst after a bad loss so I'm no angel, but I understand I know sweet FA about the game compared to the people at the coal face day in and day out.

Time for the internet heros to shut their gobs for a while.

 

[lamb22]

Ditto, Missing.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Geez we all have our whipping boys,I know I have guys IMO wont take us to a Preimership but too blame the same old guys every time we get beat is just niaeve,boring and repetitive ,to blame just Krak,hyde,Browny,Tucky or anyone else for the loss is rediculous.We had 22 guys out there last night an they didnt get the job done, this happens as you build a champion TEAM

 

[AZZORP]

Embarrassed to be a Tiger supporter when I read this *smile*. One of the few times Bowden has been beaten in three years and i have to read this rubbish.  Yes he could have played tighter on Robbo but that's history.

One of the main reasons we have improved as a side is due to the run and carry provided by the Bowdens' and Raines down back together with the terrific form of our kids.  To be critisised because you can get the ball is ludicrous.  

We played poorly yet held a side who have been flying to 9 goals and lost by 18 points. There has been plenty to complain about in recent years but surely Joel Bowden has earned the right to play one or two poor ones a year without this crap.

 

[vintagetiges]

Embarrassed to be a Tiger supporter when I read this sh!te. One of the few times Bowden has been beaten in three years and i have to read this rubbish.  Yes he could have played tighter on Robbo but that's history.

One of the main reasons we have improved as a side is due to the run and carry provided by the Bowdens' and Raines down back together with the terrific form of our kids.  To be critisised because you can get the ball is ludicrous.  

We played poorly yet held a side who have been flying to 9 goals and lost by 18 points. There has been plenty to complain about in recent years but surely Joel Bowden has earned the right to play one or two poor ones a year without this crap.

So your now happy to have every coach in the AFL direct traffic through the Bowdens.

Better get ready for more losses.

 

[Scoop]

Probably Joel's worse effort over the past 18 months.

Nothing to worry about, don't through the baby out with the bath water.

One thing about PRE that bothers me no end and we have had two classic examples over the last two weeks is the fact that certain people  here judge a year or even a career on that weeks performance.

Krak has two OK weeks in a row and all of a sudden he has had a good year and is misunderstood and under valued over his career, everyone is too harsh on him.

Joel gets towelled up be probably the best medium sized forward of the past three years and is hung out to dry despite playing 18 months over super footy winning a Jack.  

I just question some peoples rational.

 

[tiger_25]

Some of the suggestions on this board adds a lot to the theory that richmond fans are the biggest bandwagon supporters in the league.

Raving about pauers 1 week and bag the crap out of them after a loss. 1 bad game from any player means your a dud in the eyes of many.

Why do people get carried away with a couple of wins. We should not be in the 8 this season, our list is not a top 8 list and we have done well to win some of the games we have.

We are re-building and people need to realise that. Its not like the past 10 years when that has been an excuse, we are genuinely in a rebuilding phase this time and people need to recognise the positives like the games of Polo, Foley etc. instead of bagging players for 1 bad game.

Stick with it tiger supporters.... I know the REAL suporters will at least  :clap

 

[TT33]

Cr@p thread. IMHO

 

[AZZORP]

So your now happy to have every coach in the AFL direct traffic through the Bowdens.

Better get ready for more losses.

Did I say that?

 

[AngryAnt]

I would have kicked 4 last night with all the space that Joel allowed Roberston.

You rate yourself much too highly.

 

[blx]

JOEL BOWDEN - Dead set disgrace tonight and proved the greatest advertisement that quality possessions are more important than quantity.
Joel turned in a vintage turnover performance tonight, as well as stop start back and forward, stuttering stop start play, and i lost track at how many of his easy possessions went straight to the opposition.
For a so called leader Bowden makes just as many mental explosions and turns over possession as much if not more than a few of his more celebrated turnover companions and always has done.
Have never seen a player get so much of the footy and do absolutely nothing with it to hurt the opposition.
In fact as pointed out by Brereton (god help me for agreeing with him) but we went better with him off the ground when he was deservedly benched.
When the ball is so often in your defensive half there is no easier job on the footy field than running around and scoring lose free, possessions at will, and my mum could do that.

boohoo hoo, talk about poor form, thats one of the poorest post i've ever read. so what he had an average game in an overall average perfomance by the team. ridiculous post!!!!

 

[blx]

Both these guys cost us the game

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[mk33]

Kellaway played on Dunn

Joel Bowden the man that brings out mixed emotions.
Has been though very good player for us since being dropped but last night had a bad game. Still found a way to collect 31 touches including 7 clangers and a lot of dinky little kick that bounce in front of its target instead of hitting its target.

I would Joel to have less responsibility on playing on his opponent be allowed to create more from half back and run and carry the ball bouncing the ball through midfield and driving it the fwd 50.

Joel is a fantastic long kick of the ball. Joel leads the club in kick with approx 200 but 115 approx are in short kicks (stats were in last night footy record which I dont have on hand). I would like to see Joel get more kicks than waxing with his brother or doing short little 20m kicks, my preferance is for Joel to be leading or top 3 for inside 50's.

Unfortunately with Gas and Halls problems we have though not had any key defenders to allow Joel to play this role and it is hard to see him play that role again as we only have McGuane at the moment coming through as a key defender. Joel is being fantastic for most of the year from attacking from defence but its being from deep defensive not half back and most kicks have been short kicks as he has played a general roles. Joel also does not have the defensive insticts as Gaspar does and even though he has picked up numerous possesions his man has still kicked goals on him and had an influence ie J.Brown was good against us, Whitnall when forward in first half, Lucas, Hall and Robertson (can understand been beaten in air by Robo but beaten in a couple of soft pushes Joel, your better than that) are the five games that come to mind. Fortunately we won 4 of thos games and Joel was still among our best players. Proves how important Gas has being over the years for the us.

Perhaps Joel and Patrick could swap roles as I think Joel would have played better and attacked more as a loose man last night than Patrick did. Be great if we could get our defense to seetle so Joel can play off hbf and run off hbf/wing like 2001 where he had the most bounces of any player in the competiton.

Last night was just an aberation for Joel with his disposal to the 2003 bad days, reading Joel this year wont play bad again next week and on small Sydney ground hopefully he may play on Goodes or Vogels.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Joel had a reallly really bad game in what's been a pretty good season for him so far.

After the phoney season his kicking definitely got better and overall I reckon he's been pretty tight.

But I don't agree that he had an ordinary game. I don't agree that he was a little bit off. He wasn't at the same level as many others who had ordinary games yesterday.

It was probably his worst ever game. Historically bad. It was one of the worst games I've ever seen a good player put on.

There is no way known that that's anything like Joel's usual standard as Gary Lyon was trying to suggest. Awful game but an abberation.

Did he cost us the game? :don't know It would have been theft anyway.

Agree that Robertson is not a good matchup for Joel. Exposed him badly for pace and athleticism. Credit should also go to Daniher and his panel for the way they handled Joel on the night. It was a massacre.

 

[tigertim]

Well Craigo, you must thanking your lucky stars we had a loss after wins against the Pies and the Power. Now you can start another brilliant thread bagging one of our best players. You defy logic. Yes Bowden got towelled up from Robbo but he played the way he's been playing the last 3 seasons (winning 2 b&fs along the way). Dragging up the fact he was a whipping boy by some in here in 2003 does not validate your argument at all..Joel has improved so the issues he had have largely been eradicated. Yes, he had 8 clangers last night which is unacceptable but to quickly start a thread calling him a disgrace is a disgrace in itself. I assume you'll be bracing yourself for another loss against the Swannies to vilify who?, Gaspar? Richo? The trouble with trying to align yourself with those darkside losers is you lose all credibility and any objectivity.

 

[BT Tiger]

Well Craigo, you must thanking your lucky stars we had a loss after wins against the Pies and the Power. Now you can start another brilliant thread bagging one of our best players. You defy logic. Yes Bowden got towelled up from Robbo but he played the way he's been playing the last 3 seasons (winning 2 b&fs along the way). Dragging up the fact he was a whipping boy by some in here in 2003 does not validate your argument at all..Joel has improved so the issues he had have largely been eradicated.  Yes, he had 8 clangers last night which is unacceptable but to quickly start a thread calling him a disgrace is a disgrace in itself. I assume you'll be bracing yourself for another loss against the Swannies to vilify who?, Gaspar? Richo?  The trouble with trying to align yourself with those darkside losers is you lose all credibility and any objectivity.

Finally!! someone here who speaks my language....

 

[tigertough12]

When I think of *smile* Bowden, I think of that wizard cup game against the hawks at the start of the year
ie. the way he s h i t his dacks and dropped his head

*smile* is the clanger king of the afl