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Bowden disgrace.
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Joel didnt play Franklin into form, if ya watched the game Razor had the job on Lance, also it wasnt a good 6 from Buddy they were mostly cheap hangin out the pack!!
no where in this thread has anybody made disparaging remarks about bowden. hes been heavily criticised for his performance. most of those who have been critical have openly said joel has been pretty good for awhile now. it makes me laugh how ferals get all defensive about a little bit of justified criticism.
imo the job he does is overrated. he gets 30 odd possesions a game most weeks and the majority of them would be from sideways kicks and running around by himself. he is rarely accountable.has anyone bothered to ask themselves why joel is allowed to run around by himself most weeks its the hurt factor he doesnt hurt the opposition enougth for them to bother.
most here say hes so important he sets up most of our goal scoring opportunities well i ask how many times have we kicked the magical 15 goals this season or for that matter 20 + goals well we have kicked 17 goals once this season.
once again joel has been given a role to do by wallace in the main he has performed that role well but one thing for sure part of his role does not include totally ignoring your direct opponent when hes hurting us.
and im not tyying to belittle bowden either hes played pretty well most weeks and has obviously done whats required of him i just think if his primary job as a defender and thats to beat your opponent first is thrown out the window his job could be done by others and probably with a bigger hurt factor..
imo the job he does is overrated. he gets 30 odd possesions a game most weeks and the majority of them would be from sideways kicks and running around by himself. he is rarely accountable.has anyone bothered to ask themselves why joel is allowed to run around by himself most weeks its the hurt factor he doesnt hurt the opposition enougth for them to bother.
most here say hes so important he sets up most of our goal scoring opportunities well i ask how many times have we kicked the magical 15 goals this season or for that matter 20 + goals well we have kicked 17 goals once this season.
once again joel has been given a role to do by wallace in the main he has performed that role well but one thing for sure part of his role does not include totally ignoring your direct opponent when hes hurting us.
and im not tyying to belittle bowden either hes played pretty well most weeks and has obviously done whats required of him i just think if his primary job as a defender and thats to beat your opponent first is thrown out the window his job could be done by others and probably with a bigger hurt factor..
Joel is very poor at minding an opponent, gives way to much space. TW is right, he needs to improve that side of his game and FAST.
TIGEREXTRA said:
Well he has been doing it for umpteen games now - why does he need to be reminded of it now....Why hasnt the senior staff at the club reminded him of this if they thought it was a problem previously........And if he has been constantly reminded of this and continually done the opposite then surely he should of been questioned and dropped again for disobeying orders surely.
Tubytiger said:
He not only gave him a pretty good serve after Fri night, he also gave him one after the St Kilda match where Reiwoldt had such a big influence after Thursfield went off and Bowden went to him. Both times for not playing tight enough. I'm sure it's been brought up privately in the weekly player/coach conference other times in relation to specific incidents. Doesn't mean he hasn't been good enough overall to hold his spot down back...and we haven't been overly blessed with fit defenders able to play tall this season.
FWIW, Robertson kicked one of his goals on Raines - we either changed the matchup temporarily then back again straight after, or (more likely) Bowden was running forward and Raines covered his man for him while Joel was caught forward after a turnover.
Mind you I don't think many debited him with legging Dunne which produced the opening goal...so I guess he probably broke even in the opinion stakes.
the claw said:
You might want to re-read the original post Claw re disparaging remarks. In your anti Bowden argument you query why he's allowed to roam free down back without a man, this is probably exactly what the opposition are asking! Why not have a free man down back? It's certainly been working for the majority of this season. Maybe the oppositions forwards need to pay Joel more attention like Luke Brennan did when we played the Hawks.
I'm still willing to bet my left one he stars against the Swannies on Saturday night and make a mockery of this thread.
All you blood suckers that have jumped on the bandwagon and given J. Bowden a spray over last Friday night's game should watch closely on Saturday night against the Swans. The loss of Joel (pending an appeal from the club) this weekend will surely expose how important he is to our backline.
One %&$#@*& bad game and all the PRE parasites are out to drink his blood. FFS, he's had one really bad game over a period of two and a half season of working his butt off, not to mention 2 B&F's
Does J. Bowden really deserve the criticsm he has copped on this thread over just one game? I don't think so!
One %&$#@*& bad game and all the PRE parasites are out to drink his blood. FFS, he's had one really bad game over a period of two and a half season of working his butt off, not to mention 2 B&F's
Does J. Bowden really deserve the criticsm he has copped on this thread over just one game? I don't think so!
This thread reminds me of the Krakouer thread but in reverse. Krakouer throws in 6 years of mediocrity, then puts two good games together and all of a sudden he’s acceptable. Bowden wins 2 B&F’s in a row and is staring down his 3rd, but plays one ordinary game on his opponent and all of a sudden he’s a “disgrace”.
The PRE “Jurica Syndrome” strikes again.
The PRE “Jurica Syndrome” strikes again.
Sorry, I am being distracted by events in my life going on outside the RFC at present.
While watching the game on Friday night, the only question that I had regarding the Joel Bowden/Russell Robertson fiasco was, "Whose decision was it to match up Bowden on Robertson in the first place?" Both are attacking players, and one should never counter an opposition attacking player with one of your own attacking players.
Either the job is not done properly, or you end up negating one of your own strengths.
Obviously the Newman injury had alot to do with it. But in the end the decision rests with the match committee.
While watching the game on Friday night, the only question that I had regarding the Joel Bowden/Russell Robertson fiasco was, "Whose decision was it to match up Bowden on Robertson in the first place?" Both are attacking players, and one should never counter an opposition attacking player with one of your own attacking players.
Either the job is not done properly, or you end up negating one of your own strengths.
Obviously the Newman injury had alot to do with it. But in the end the decision rests with the match committee.
geoffryprettyboy said:
Great call GPB.
Maybe all the ferals here got caught up in the tripe Garry Lyon was dribbling on Friday night re. Joel
Reddog you hit the nail on the head re. Kraks and there are a few others we could name!
Bowden has been matched up on players like JBrown, Tredrea, Lucas, Mooney and Hall over the last year or so and has done well on all of these players. Opposition coaches do not allow him to free-wheel out of defence without there being some sort of price to pay. Wallace cannot try to match him up against a first-gamer or the last man picked by the opposition.
PBowden is the one who does this and free-wheels out of defence at the moment.
This thread is a real over-reaction. JBowden has managed to do a job on gun player and pick up his 20-30 possessions each game and set up forward thrusts. The only difference is that Robertson actually made him pay. This has been quite rare of late. Speaking to a Melb supporter mate yesterday he was of the opinion that Robertson was starting to fly close to being dropped if he couldn't turn things around soon. Perhaps he was more focussed than he has been for a while?
PBowden is the one who does this and free-wheels out of defence at the moment.
This thread is a real over-reaction. JBowden has managed to do a job on gun player and pick up his 20-30 possessions each game and set up forward thrusts. The only difference is that Robertson actually made him pay. This has been quite rare of late. Speaking to a Melb supporter mate yesterday he was of the opinion that Robertson was starting to fly close to being dropped if he couldn't turn things around soon. Perhaps he was more focussed than he has been for a while?
geoffryprettyboy said:
couldn't have said it better myself.
RF, maybe others have said Krak is suddenly 'acceptable' but thats not what I said. I've basically saying signs are good he may have turned the corner but needs to keep it up for a while yet. Last week he didn't.
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tot70
Phantom
Western Tiger
Tigertim.........
Bloody great threads guys! :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
Im through with player-bashing and those who choose to do so......
I reserve my player bashing for opposition teams nowadays.....
Thats why Im posting this......
Bowdens been a great servant for the jumper......he has one bad game and he suffers at the hands of zpontius pilate,is crucified,but like jesus he,ll rise again from the devil on the 3rd day.....to reign in glory and flag success......
geoffreypreetyboy
tot70
Phantom
Western Tiger
Tigertim.........
Bloody great threads guys! :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap
Im through with player-bashing and those who choose to do so......
I reserve my player bashing for opposition teams nowadays.....
Thats why Im posting this......
Bowdens been a great servant for the jumper......he has one bad game and he suffers at the hands of zpontius pilate,is crucified,but like jesus he,ll rise again from the devil on the 3rd day.....to reign in glory and flag success......
Rayzorwire said:
Raines was on Robertson to cover for a couple of minutes during a matchup-change, he stated that himself on After The Game.
To me, who kicks goals on who is of no consequence. It's a team game, players cover each other all the time. Players are given their instructions and the real test of their effectiveness is whether they have followed the instructions they were given. If Bowden has been given reign to run free, then he cant be harshly blamed, if he was asked to stick tight to his man at all costs, then he has not done his job.