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Using Damien Barrett's logic, the AFL should just say "Well Richmond are far too strong to have any picks in the first 2 rounds, so lets just take them off the Tigers as well."
Either the rules are the rules and the formula is the formula, or it's simply corrupt and further evidence that Gillan is more interested in running a theatre production than a competition in the true sense. This very fact is highlighted with his comments re the post season bye where he stated that we've had some great finals series since it was introduced. In reality, if you are 'creating' great finals series by handicapping the best sides through a lack of continual football, then you are no longer running a competition in the true sense.
Although i don't rate the Pies that strongly, they were a better side than GWS. Likewise we ar a far better side than Geelong, but it took us half a game to click into gear. Had it taken just one more quarter to find our range, then the 2019 premiership would have been fought by two mediocre sides in GWS and Geelong.
Consider this.........
In the last 20 years, the Qualifying Final winners have won 32 of 40 games.
Of those 8 losses, 4 came in 16 years and 4 just since the post season bye was introduced in 2016
Of the first 4 losses from 2000 to 2016, the losses were against sides that had finished higher on the ladder, so it's like a correction of a better side having an off first final and then using their double chance to get back in the race. The one exception was Hawthorn (4th) defeating Freo (1st) and then going on to win the flag. In this case however, Hawthorn did suffer a few injuries that arguably pushed their final ladder position lower.
Since the post season bye introduction in 2016, that isn't happening with those losses being the higher side going down to a lower side on most occasions.
Western Bulldogs (7th) defeating GWS (4th)
Collingwood (3rd) defeating Richmond (1st)
GWS (6th) defeating Collingwood (4th)
Another way of looking at this is the winning strike rate 2000 - 2015 QF winner going on to win the Prelim 28 of 32 times 87.5%
2016 - 2019 4 of 5 = 50%
Bearing in mind the Qualifying Final winners are typically much stronger sides than those challenging from underneath, a 50/50 percentage is a massive RED FLAG to how your competition is playing out.
But to Gillam and his theatre production, giving the cup to the best side in the competition is a distant second to runnnig an entertainment production.
Either the rules are the rules and the formula is the formula, or it's simply corrupt and further evidence that Gillan is more interested in running a theatre production than a competition in the true sense. This very fact is highlighted with his comments re the post season bye where he stated that we've had some great finals series since it was introduced. In reality, if you are 'creating' great finals series by handicapping the best sides through a lack of continual football, then you are no longer running a competition in the true sense.
Although i don't rate the Pies that strongly, they were a better side than GWS. Likewise we ar a far better side than Geelong, but it took us half a game to click into gear. Had it taken just one more quarter to find our range, then the 2019 premiership would have been fought by two mediocre sides in GWS and Geelong.
Consider this.........
In the last 20 years, the Qualifying Final winners have won 32 of 40 games.
Of those 8 losses, 4 came in 16 years and 4 just since the post season bye was introduced in 2016
Of the first 4 losses from 2000 to 2016, the losses were against sides that had finished higher on the ladder, so it's like a correction of a better side having an off first final and then using their double chance to get back in the race. The one exception was Hawthorn (4th) defeating Freo (1st) and then going on to win the flag. In this case however, Hawthorn did suffer a few injuries that arguably pushed their final ladder position lower.
Since the post season bye introduction in 2016, that isn't happening with those losses being the higher side going down to a lower side on most occasions.
Western Bulldogs (7th) defeating GWS (4th)
Collingwood (3rd) defeating Richmond (1st)
GWS (6th) defeating Collingwood (4th)
Another way of looking at this is the winning strike rate 2000 - 2015 QF winner going on to win the Prelim 28 of 32 times 87.5%
2016 - 2019 4 of 5 = 50%
Bearing in mind the Qualifying Final winners are typically much stronger sides than those challenging from underneath, a 50/50 percentage is a massive RED FLAG to how your competition is playing out.
But to Gillam and his theatre production, giving the cup to the best side in the competition is a distant second to runnnig an entertainment production.
Its the new age Losers are Winners too adage.
Gee there are countless times when we were struggling and we would get a glimmer of hope only for Ross Oakleys merry men to move the goalpost so our advantage was ripped away from us!
Where was the "We must give the under achievers a chance too" back then????
Gee there are countless times when we were struggling and we would get a glimmer of hope only for Ross Oakleys merry men to move the goalpost so our advantage was ripped away from us!
Where was the "We must give the under achievers a chance too" back then????
The AFL are giving the Suns concession picks to help & the Ellis compo farce is the AFL's way of penalizing the other end of the ladder.
When you look at what's happened this year in the Preliminary Finals and what happened to us last year, we could easily have had a 3 peat and been looking hot for a 4peat.
A team being recognised as a "Dynasty" will be a remarkable achievement by any club with the post season bye. We are a remarkable club at the moment. Where in the past we would lead and you'd think, "Any time now, the opposition will run us down"! it's now a case of us being so damned reliable.
I'm loving footy at the moment. I just wish we didn't have imbociles at the wheel trying to de-rail the ride. You only have to look at the rule changes and how many of them directly affected our club. Who would have thought that could happen, with Eddie McGuire involved with the rules committee. I wonder how well things are going to work out in the long run with Eddie McGuire's media company operationg the bunker goal reviews? Not only is it a "Boys Club", but they are doing it openly in front of our faces. I wonder what it takes for a vote of no confidence to take place.
The funny thing is they change the ruck rule because we have a small ruckman. Now we have 2 very good big ruckmen, a potential GUN sitting in waiting, and 2 potential mobile ruckmen sitting in back up.
They change the hands in the back rule because we have a forward line of midgets (ie reward strength), so now we have 2 All Australian Full Forwards. Just for good measure, Alex Rance goes down so that we'll enter 2020 with 2 All Australian Full Backs as well.
They introduce the 6-6-6 rule because we ain't the best clearance team and play a player back. Last game of the year we introduce Marlion "Twinkle Toes" Pickett to break out of the middle and deliver gold to the chests of our forwards.
All those along with the kick out rule to break our vice like grip forward press, and instead of killing us off, they've created a greater beast!
The opposition has tried to slow the game, chip it around to break our pressure but that just allows us to set up better behind the ball. Not only that, when we turned the pressure dial up in the GF, we were runnnig down the receiver before the ball carrier had even executed the hand ball to the receiver.
The opposition in 2020 will be forced to play fast break football against us, but there lies our next trap, being the best team at scoring from turnover. Worse still for the opposition who tried to play faster footy against us ala Brisbane, we cut through their defence so efficiantly that we were kicking almost out whole score from inside 20m and ended up with a score line of 18.4
I can almost see Eddie McGuire right now running to Gillam McLaughlan like that sh!te of a kid Sydney in Huckleberry Fin "AUNT POLLY..........AUNT POLLY"!!
A team being recognised as a "Dynasty" will be a remarkable achievement by any club with the post season bye. We are a remarkable club at the moment. Where in the past we would lead and you'd think, "Any time now, the opposition will run us down"! it's now a case of us being so damned reliable.
I'm loving footy at the moment. I just wish we didn't have imbociles at the wheel trying to de-rail the ride. You only have to look at the rule changes and how many of them directly affected our club. Who would have thought that could happen, with Eddie McGuire involved with the rules committee. I wonder how well things are going to work out in the long run with Eddie McGuire's media company operationg the bunker goal reviews? Not only is it a "Boys Club", but they are doing it openly in front of our faces. I wonder what it takes for a vote of no confidence to take place.
The funny thing is they change the ruck rule because we have a small ruckman. Now we have 2 very good big ruckmen, a potential GUN sitting in waiting, and 2 potential mobile ruckmen sitting in back up.
They change the hands in the back rule because we have a forward line of midgets (ie reward strength), so now we have 2 All Australian Full Forwards. Just for good measure, Alex Rance goes down so that we'll enter 2020 with 2 All Australian Full Backs as well.
They introduce the 6-6-6 rule because we ain't the best clearance team and play a player back. Last game of the year we introduce Marlion "Twinkle Toes" Pickett to break out of the middle and deliver gold to the chests of our forwards.
All those along with the kick out rule to break our vice like grip forward press, and instead of killing us off, they've created a greater beast!
The opposition has tried to slow the game, chip it around to break our pressure but that just allows us to set up better behind the ball. Not only that, when we turned the pressure dial up in the GF, we were runnnig down the receiver before the ball carrier had even executed the hand ball to the receiver.
The opposition in 2020 will be forced to play fast break football against us, but there lies our next trap, being the best team at scoring from turnover. Worse still for the opposition who tried to play faster footy against us ala Brisbane, we cut through their defence so efficiantly that we were kicking almost out whole score from inside 20m and ended up with a score line of 18.4
I can almost see Eddie McGuire right now running to Gillam McLaughlan like that sh!te of a kid Sydney in Huckleberry Fin "AUNT POLLY..........AUNT POLLY"!!
Probably a totally stupid question seeing as we're dealing with decisions made by the suits at AFL h.q.
But how does GeeWhizz wind up with the pick after us as their second round compo for Tomlinson? Usual allocation of draft picks follows the order of ladder finish, pretty sure GeeWhizz finished just a smidgin below the mighty Tigers on the ladder so therefore a second round draft pick for Tomlinson should be before our second round draft pick for Bobble.
Did the AFL suits fudge the technicality of " end of second round pick " for GeeWhizz to differentiate it from our ladder finishing order second round draft pick? Maybe we should have won the spoon this year so that we could have received pick 20 / 21 as our second round pick for Bobble instead of pick 39.
Tomlinson was band 4 compo = end of second round, Ellis was band 3 compo = after the team’s 2nd round pick
The compensation system is an inconsistent joke and 39 is unfair, totally agree.
But pick 19? That’s would’ve been a heist.
I can see why the AFL, for all their incredible ineptitude and corruption, baulked at that.
Clearly we need a better way. If all clubs managed themselves as professionally as we do, we could do away with compensation altogether.
But pick 19? That’s would’ve been a heist.
I can see why the AFL, for all their incredible ineptitude and corruption, baulked at that.
Clearly we need a better way. If all clubs managed themselves as professionally as we do, we could do away with compensation altogether.
They probably apply a competency factor to the heads of recruiting/football.
making Pick 39 for us equivalent to top 10 for Bombers, Carlton or Suns.
I think they should introduce a trading system, whereby we can pre-lodge a trade where we will take say the young players Essendon pick in the first and 2nd round in exchange for the player we pick in the 3rd round.
Or possibly we could agree to trade The Suns first player picked for our 3rd rookie selection, in 5 years time.
Pick 19 a "heist" really!!! I don't agree, we're talking about a player who was a 1st round draft pick, not a 4th round or rookie pick.He also happens to be a 2 times Premiership player who has proven himself in big games.
Anything less than a 1st round compo pick is a travesty.
Unfortunately it just reinforces just how "malleable" the AFL & it's systems/rules/attitudes are.
I for one do not trust the AFL hierarchy under the current management.
If, as it is mooted the next CEO is Brendon Gale we will see a massive change for the better. Unfortunately it also means we're going to lose the best CEO our club has ever had.
Even pick 19 wouldn't have been enough.
Brandon is a proven multiple premiership player who is going to be at the peak of his powers for the next 3 years.
We will probably spend that period pushing for premierships.
People forget how important Brandon's leadership was early in the season when all our stars were out.
If Brandon hadn't been on our list this, we don't make top four. So probably no premiership.
Who would you rather next year? Him or an 18 yo taken in the second round?
Brandon is a proven multiple premiership player who is going to be at the peak of his powers for the next 3 years.
We will probably spend that period pushing for premierships.
People forget how important Brandon's leadership was early in the season when all our stars were out.
If Brandon hadn't been on our list this, we don't make top four. So probably no premiership.
Who would you rather next year? Him or an 18 yo taken in the second round?
Not sure Baron. With everything prior that got linked to 19, Brando was a walk up for the same.
If it was so clear cut the formula would be released. It's secret herbs and spices stuff. AFL can act based on "the Pub Test" .
It's one of the more astounding decisions handed down by City Hall in a long time.
Let’s forget about the system for a moment, because it’s a shambles.
Hypothetical. If Ellis was on the table as a restricted free agent what would clubs be prepared to give?
Gold Coast would clearly be prepared to offer something like pick 19, but no better.
A team in the window, like Geelong, might be prepared to offer a pick 24 to help offset the loss of Kelly.
Mid table challengers looking to deepen lists while remain competitive in the national draft won’t be looking at this range. More like 25-35.
The way I see it, acquiring 19 for Ellis just because we’re dealing with an outlier club in terms of list need goes against the equalisation philosophies that prevent the Hawthorns and West Coasts of this world from owning September.
Which isn’t to say I agree with pick 39, far from it.
The system is a complete joke but the vibe is closer to “marginally off the mark” than “absolute reaming by the AFL”.
Hypothetical. If Ellis was on the table as a restricted free agent what would clubs be prepared to give?
Gold Coast would clearly be prepared to offer something like pick 19, but no better.
A team in the window, like Geelong, might be prepared to offer a pick 24 to help offset the loss of Kelly.
Mid table challengers looking to deepen lists while remain competitive in the national draft won’t be looking at this range. More like 25-35.
The way I see it, acquiring 19 for Ellis just because we’re dealing with an outlier club in terms of list need goes against the equalisation philosophies that prevent the Hawthorns and West Coasts of this world from owning September.
Which isn’t to say I agree with pick 39, far from it.
The system is a complete joke but the vibe is closer to “marginally off the mark” than “absolute reaming by the AFL”.
Baron, you can't say "forget the system for a moment". Because that is what determines the pick. It's tied to where your own pick is. We got a second round (not end of second round) compensation pick, but because our pick IS at the end of the round anyway, by outcome that's what we're getting.
They've either got to determine the players worth accurately, be transparent or scrap the system. That will either be a subjective assessment or based on stats (which will likely overlook a role player like a Grimes - imagine a system based off statistics determining his fair worth). They then hand a compensation pick value regardless of where your current position in the draft is or
I say, if you're going to change the system - scrap it. No compensation for anyone who gets taken from any club. Just manage your list and deal with the consequences.
They've either got to determine the players worth accurately, be transparent or scrap the system. That will either be a subjective assessment or based on stats (which will likely overlook a role player like a Grimes - imagine a system based off statistics determining his fair worth). They then hand a compensation pick value regardless of where your current position in the draft is or
I say, if you're going to change the system - scrap it. No compensation for anyone who gets taken from any club. Just manage your list and deal with the consequences.
I think you can certainly assuage any angst over the decision by ignoring the system, General.
Good Coast is probably the only club that would give pick 19 for Ellis.
39 fails the pub test, but so does 19 IMO.
Good Coast is probably the only club that would give pick 19 for Ellis.
39 fails the pub test, but so does 19 IMO.