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DavidSSS

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I don't get this notion that we will regret this. Regret what exactly? It wasn't Richmond who delisted CCJ, it is CCJ walking. We offered him a contract within the constraints of our salary cap and in the context of his performances to date and what we saw in terms of his development. I see absolutely no way we could match an offer from North which sounds like overs.

He is a similar forward type to Lynch so I am not convinced he would compliment our forward line.

All the stuff about Riewoldt is absurd - he came 3rd in the Coleman, yeah, let's delist the player who kicked more goals than all but 2 of the other forwards in the league.

I don't blame CCJ for taking the offer. He can get some financial security and is not yet a proven performer at AFL level, good deal for him.

CCJ is walking, we're not telling him to go.

DS
 
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The fact Coleman-Jones has chosen to leave after the Tigers were heavily punished and supported him following that incident has left the club privately angry.

The trade value for Coleman-Jones is difficult to quantify as he was pick 20 - the first pick in the second round - four years ago but has only played nine games in that time. North Melbourne presently have the first pick in the second round of this year’s draft.

The Tigers would consider that four years of time put into a player and the contract terms offered to him to move would mean he is worth a pick better than what they originally used on him. North would argue Coleman-Jones has only played nine games in four years.

While it is unlikely to be used, the Kangaroos also have the first pick in the pre-season draft, so theoretically if negotiations failed he could walk there for nothing.

 
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toothless

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While it is unlikely to be used, the Kangaroos also have the first pick in the pre-season draft, so theoretically if negotiations failed he could walk there for nothing.
Correct, I raised this possibility but it fell on deaf ears despite this occurring two seasons ago with Jack Martin at Carltank. Granted it was different clubs with different circumstances.

Norf will be essentially doing us a favour if they give us something as they can get him for free via the pre season draft. They don't owe us anything and have the cash to give CCJ an offer we can't come close to.

They are in the box seat, anything higher than Norf's second is going to be the best outcome despite the fact he's worth more than that IMHO. The only thing which may help force Norf's hand is interest from other clubs but that doesn't appear likely at this point in time.
 
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Leysy Days

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I don't get this notion that we will regret this. Regret what exactly? It wasn't Richmond who delisted CCJ, it is CCJ walking. We offered him a contract within the constraints of our salary cap and in the context of his performances to date and what we saw in terms of his development. I see absolutely no way we could match an offer from North which sounds like overs.

He is a similar forward type to Lynch so I am not convinced he would compliment our forward line.

All the stuff about Riewoldt is absurd - he came 3rd in the Coleman, yeah, let's delist the player who kicked more goals than all but 2 of the other forwards in the league.

I don't blame CCJ for taking the offer. He can get some financial security and is not yet a proven performer at AFL level, good deal for him.

CCJ is walking, we're not telling him to go.

DS

Don't really agree with this.

It is very strange we are only offering a 2 year contract. Was he seriously a big chance to be delisted in two years?

We've held onto Miller who has shown far less for coming up 5 years.

We have either:

1) Decided we're not serious about keeping him and want the $$$ spent elsewhere

2) Got ahead of ourselves and thought low-balling an in-demand player will still see him sign-on

Given the massive discrepancy in contracts it didn't become an opportunity decision for CCJ. We took that one out of his hands.

Leysy thinks he will be a very very good ruckman in a few years. Hopefully Samson becomes that for us.
 
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TigerMasochist

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How did he look in his debut AFL game? Too much being made of a few decent games in a very mixed 2021 VFL comp.

Built like a beanstalk. Years away if he ever makes it at all IMHO.
Kid was a wrong choice for his debut game, exposed to early at AFL level n bloody wet as well did the kid no favours. He also copped a ruckman's knock to the front of the knee pretty much first contest he went to.
I'd pretty much be deleting his first run from the memory bank n start again from next year onward.
Watched a few of our VFL games doing a bit of cooties couch potato this year n Delilah goes o.k. I'll be happy to follow his development, think he should have enough tools to step up to the job in future.
 
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Carter

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yep, I'm bemused by all the sages here saying Ryan or Colina are "miles off" or "haven't shown anything".

pretty sure club staff know precisely where they're at and are well trained in assessing long term trajectories.

if we truly saw CCJ as bona fide best 22 he'd be staying.

don't get me wrong, we wanted him to stay. but as backup to Soldo / Nank or backup to Lynch / Riewoldt.

so he leaves and we don't lose a great deal of sleep.
 
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eZyT

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yep, I'm bemused by all the sages here saying Ryan or Colina are "miles off" or "haven't shown anything".

pretty sure club staff know precisely where they're at and are well trained in assessing long term trajectories.

if we truly saw CCJ as bona fide best 22 he'd be staying.

don't get me wrong, we wanted him to stay. but as backup to Soldo / Nank or backup to Lynch / Riewoldt.

so he leaves and we don't lose a great deal of sleep.


agree.

anyone writing Sampson Ryan off is perilously close to understand little about footy.

a 20yo big who grabs VFL games by the throat is way, way ahead of the development curve.

If you want to use Luke Jackson as a developmental template, go ahead. But you're setting yourself up for 30 years of angst and frustration.

I'm happy to go on the record that Ryan will be a better player than Mabs or CCJ.
 
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TGM

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We didn't want to keep Deledio
My point being he was almost our best player for a decade.
I think this will refocus all of our tall forwards to have a massive pre season. It gives hope to Ryan and Collina that they may get games earlier than they expected etc.
Only way this turns sour is if they both turn into guns which is unlikely.
 

tigerman

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yep, I'm bemused by all the sages here saying Ryan or Colina are "miles off" or "haven't shown anything".

pretty sure club staff know precisely where they're at and are well trained in assessing long term trajectories.

if we truly saw CCJ as bona fide best 22 he'd be staying.

don't get me wrong, we wanted him to stay. but as backup to Soldo / Nank or backup to Lynch / Riewoldt.

so he leaves and we don't lose a great deal of sleep.
Perhaps, I hope we don't have them on the list for 6 years like Elton.
 

Brian H

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Callum Coleman-Judas. I'm very disappointed in him not being at Richmond. He has taken the money and run - and to lolnorf of all places. He just had to wait and he would have had a future with us. He may as well betrayed us all the way and gone to Geesooks, luckily he is way too young.
 
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