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Can anyone see Carlton winning 5??

Round 22: Melbourne Vs Carlton

Match Report by Michael “Squints” Polydoris.


The stage was set for one of the most exciting matches of the season at the MCG on the weekend. Despite their lowly status on the AFL ladder and the disappointment of missing the forthcoming finals, both teams went into this game with much to prove and even more to lose.

Four wins each going into the last round of the season meant that both teams were playing for pride and the opportunity to begin their pre-season in October with a winning feeling.

Unfortunately, they each had a prized priority pick to protect.

A small but loyal crowd gathered at the MCG. The ski season was still in full swing at Mt Buller and the Lygon St Festa was moved to this weekend at the last minute. The impact was felt by each of the five spectators in the Great Southern Stand as the wind whistled through their ears.

Umpire Goldspink, officiating in his final match, signaled the start of the game. White and Ackland faced off, snarling. The center square restriction of four players from each team at each bounce has been in place for many years now, and occasionally, a team gets it wrong and a fifth player can be found in there, giving away a silly free kick.

Does anyone know the rule if no players from either team are there to witness the first bounce of the match? Umpire Goldspink certainly had no idea. He just bounced the ball and watched in bounce again and again until it came to a halt in the center-square mud, the result of months of torrential rain in Melbourne.

The players had all gathered in the Melbourne goal-square. Neitz and Whitnall had neatly laid a tartan rug on the ground and the players had gathered round for their picnic. Betts and Davey were tending the camp-fire, Johnstone had made the tea and was swinging the billy around over his head, Fev’s mum had baked a lovely tea-cake for the boys.

Melbourne’s midfielders attacked the Herald-sun sudoku with gusto while Carlton’s had the Giant crossword to amuse them for the afternoon. Brock McLean, competitive as ever, started up a game of cricket with his bat and tennis ball and a wonderful afternoon was had by one and all.

What were White and Ackland snarling about? Well as usual, Lance had eaten all the chicken legs and there was only one left for them.

The sound of Umpire Goldspink's whistle, followed by a grunt as he bounced the ball again and again could be heard for hours.

This article can be found at www.sillystories.com.au
 
rosy23 said:
Tygrys said:
The reason you are feeling alone is that you are making the assumption .....

Nah you're making the assumptions Tygrys. I haven't given the possible outcomes a second thought. I just hate the loser mentality wanting Richmond to lose and there's more talk about Carlton winning on here than I like. The Carlton Supporters Club, whatever that is, could look on here and see plenty of people wanting Richmond to lose.

I want Richmond to win every game and the future to look after itself. I don't pay our memberships and travel so far to games hoping we'll lose.

Agree 100% Rosy.

It's a very sad state of affairs and shows what a disgraceful system the AFL have enforced, when supporters are barracking against their own clubs....selling their souls for a chance at the lottery (and that's all a draft is, a LOTTERY!).
Shame, shame, shame! :'(

tigerdave said:
Who cares about Carlton.I just wanna see Richmond WIN!

I'm with you champ! :clap
 
achillesjones said:
Isnt it true that when the limit was five wins, no team ever finished on six wins???
So, you can bet that the Blues will not win another game. Yes, tanking is alive and well.

The only way I can think of to stop us barracking for loathsome teams like Carlton is to do the draft in Quartile Lottery fashion. i.e. 13, 14, 15 and 16 go into a ballot to decide who gets first pick and then you do the same with 9,10, 11 and 12 and so on. Perhaps I should patent this one!

Hate to kill off your buzz achillesjones but that is very similar to the system they have been using in the USA for ages. In the NBA this year the teams with the worst records did not get the first pick in the NBA Draft.

The NBA does it soooooo much better than the AFL, in every way!
 
Liverpool said:
rosy23 said:
Tygrys said:
The reason you are feeling alone is that you are making the assumption .....

Nah you're making the assumptions Tygrys. I haven't given the possible outcomes a second thought. I just hate the loser mentality wanting Richmond to lose and there's more talk about Carlton winning on here than I like. The Carlton Supporters Club, whatever that is, could look on here and see plenty of people wanting Richmond to lose.

I want Richmond to win every game and the future to look after itself. I don't pay our memberships and travel so far to games hoping we'll lose.

Agree 100% Rosy.

It's a very sad state of affairs and shows what a disgraceful system the AFL have enforced, when supporters are barracking against their own clubs....selling their souls for a chance at the lottery (and that's all a draft is, a LOTTERY!).
Shame, shame, shame! :'(

tigerdave said:
Who cares about Carlton.I just wanna see Richmond WIN!

I'm with you champ! :clap

It is no fun wanting Carlton to win but the alternative is even worse. They get two picks in the top three and we don't even get pick 1 after haven't 'earnt' it (with the ridicule and the frustration that comes with that). True the draft system stinks, but the price of ideological purity is too great. Even in a lottery you want the odds improved to your best advantage, and irrespective of that you want a hated rival to be kept down as long as possible. It's not the 70s anymore, zones no longer exist, it's just not as black and white as it once was - then winning each week was everything, now the system forces you to think strategically. Again I want Carlton to win one more match (just one mind you) because I hate them and because it would be best for Richmond. That said roll on Spews, I hope Fevola kicks a bag this week.
 
I travel 300 kms a week to watch Richmond play and I'm going to Sydney in 2 weeks and then to Geelong. (I got my money's worth last year on the Geelong terraces amongst their supporters).
Each time I'm looking for Richmond to play well and win.
I want Carlton to lose and us to win and finish ahead of them and they get 3 spoons in a row.
Don't care what happens at the draft. Jake King's been in our best in the last few games.. now what draft pick number was he again?
 
YinnarTiger said:
I travel 300 kms a week to watch Richmond play and I'm going to Sydney in 2 weeks and then to Geelong. (I got my money's worth last year on the Geelong terraces amongst their supporters).
Each time I'm looking for Richmond to play well and win.
I want Carlton to lose and us to win and finish ahead of them and they get 3 spoons in a row.
Don't care what happens at the draft. Jake King's been in our best in the last few games.. now what draft pick number was he again?

Great post Yinnar!That's what i call a true blue tiger supporter.Good onya mate. Post of the year! :fing32
 
Lids was number 1, WC got Judd when others could have had him, the old Tambo vs Franklin...

Always play to win, no matter what, and we are going to be in the bottom few anyway, so we get what we get.

As others have mentioned, Foley, King, Thursfield, etc have come from nowhere near the top end of the draft, good recruiters find the gems any & everywhere.
 
YinnarTiger said:
I travel 300 kms a week to watch Richmond play and I'm going to Sydney in 2 weeks and then to Geelong. (I got my money's worth last year on the Geelong terraces amongst their supporters).
Each time I'm looking for Richmond to play well and win.
I want Carlton to lose and us to win and finish ahead of them and they get 3 spoons in a row.
Don't care what happens at the draft. Jake King's been in our best in the last few games.. now what draft pick number was he again?

Will a team of Jake Kings win you a premiership? Is Jake King a game breaker that can take a match by the scruff of the neck? And does being best for a couple of weeks at a club that has the worst list in the AFL make you an automatic 10 year A-grader? And finally will a Jake King replace a Brown or Richardson? All credit to King for what he has done but let's keep it in perspective.

And as for not caring about the draft, well that's like saying you don't care about list management. Draft day will come and go quickly, but the consequences of that day will continue for years if we don't get it right, and so will the recriminations if we continue to languish on the bottom of the ladder (and don't kid yourself for a moment that Francis Jackson and co aren't praying for another Carlton victory as well). Blame the system, but again it's not the 70s any more.
 
Tygrys said:
YinnarTiger said:
I travel 300 kms a week to watch Richmond play and I'm going to Sydney in 2 weeks and then to Geelong. (I got my money's worth last year on the Geelong terraces amongst their supporters).
Each time I'm looking for Richmond to play well and win.
I want Carlton to lose and us to win and finish ahead of them and they get 3 spoons in a row.
Don't care what happens at the draft. Jake King's been in our best in the last few games.. now what draft pick number was he again?

Will a team of Jake Kings win you a premiership? Is Jake King a game breaker that can take a match by the scruff of the neck? And does being best for a couple of weeks at a club that has the worst list in the AFL make you an automatic 10 year A-grader? And finally will a Jake King replace a Brown or Richardson? All credit to King for what he has done but let's keep it in perspective.

And as for not caring about the draft, well that's like saying you don't care about list management. Draft day will come and go quickly, but the consequences of that day will continue for years if we don't get it right, and so will the recriminations if we continue to languish on the bottom of the ladder (and don't kid yourself for a moment that Francis Jackson and co aren't praying for another Carlton victory as well). Blame the system, but again it's not the 70s any more.


Time for a bex and a nap!
 
tigerdave said:
Tygrys said:
YinnarTiger said:
I travel 300 kms a week to watch Richmond play and I'm going to Sydney in 2 weeks and then to Geelong. (I got my money's worth last year on the Geelong terraces amongst their supporters).
Each time I'm looking for Richmond to play well and win.
I want Carlton to lose and us to win and finish ahead of them and they get 3 spoons in a row.
Don't care what happens at the draft. Jake King's been in our best in the last few games.. now what draft pick number was he again?

Will a team of Jake Kings win you a premiership? Is Jake King a game breaker that can take a match by the scruff of the neck? And does being best for a couple of weeks at a club that has the worst list in the AFL make you an automatic 10 year A-grader? And finally will a Jake King replace a Brown or Richardson? All credit to King for what he has done but let's keep it in perspective.

And as for not caring about the draft, well that's like saying you don't care about list management. Draft day will come and go quickly, but the consequences of that day will continue for years if we don't get it right, and so will the recriminations if we continue to languish on the bottom of the ladder (and don't kid yourself for a moment that Francis Jackson and co aren't praying for another Carlton victory as well). Blame the system, but again it's not the 70s any more.


Time for a bex and a nap!
No I think Tygrys is correct unfortunately...
 
No one has suggested we need a team of Jake Kings. The point being made is the draft can be a bit of a lottery. This would be more the case if picks are close to each other.

1 vs 2 vs 3 vs 4 - all equal chance of coming up with that real special player. Why tank to move from 3 to 2 or 2 to 1.

Carlton would be seriously tantalised though as they have an opportunity here to secure 2 picks in the top 4 such an opportunity only comes up after 2 years of ineptness. I think they will make a special effort not to win another game this season.

I can see why some non-Carlton supporters would be cheering for them not to get this because Carlton would see getting two top 4 picks as a win.
 
Liverpool said:
rosy23 said:
Tygrys said:
The reason you are feeling alone is that you are making the assumption .....

Nah you're making the assumptions Tygrys. I haven't given the possible outcomes a second thought. I just hate the loser mentality wanting Richmond to lose and there's more talk about Carlton winning on here than I like. The Carlton Supporters Club, whatever that is, could look on here and see plenty of people wanting Richmond to lose.

I want Richmond to win every game and the future to look after itself. I don't pay our memberships and travel so far to games hoping we'll lose.

Agree 100% Rosy.

It's a very sad state of affairs and shows what a disgraceful system the AFL have enforced, when supporters are barracking against their own clubs....selling their souls for a chance at the lottery (and that's all a draft is, a LOTTERY!).
Shame, shame, shame! :'(

tigerdave said:
Who cares about Carlton.I just wanna see Richmond WIN!

I'm with you champ! :clap

I want to see the Tigers win every game but this season has not panned out our way so why not make the most of it. So I hope the Tigers can win as many games as possible & wouldn't mind seeing the Demons & Blues winning one or two more also.