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can't kick, can't seriously challenge

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couldn't care less about losing a NAB cup game.
hard to imagine our conversion in shots on goal could be any worse in season proper so we can clearly get better.
but whilst rusty given its pre season, our foot skills remain poor - same as it ever was.
when the recruiting guys say every year how they cant believe so and so got through to our pick, there's usually one main reason: kicking skills, or lack thereof.
i'm afraid Rance is the most recent example. he looks an excellent prospect until he comes to deliver the ball to a target.
can't say any of the class of 2008 look exactly elite by foot either.
no more than a quarter of the entire list have quality kicking skills. some of those are about to retire.
its an unforgivable blind spot in recruiting over the long term and the sad fact is it still exists today.
most clubs worked it out a long time ago.
I keep waiting for the penny to drop at tigerland but it doesn't.
AFL in 2009 is otherwise called "keepings off" and if you can't execute by foot you cannot seriously challenge.
Usually I can't fault our teams endeavour but turnovers kill us and unfortunately will continue to do so with the current list, no matter how hard they try.
I agree with another poster that simple education on things like a consistent process and straight approach when kicking for goal is either not taught or reinforced. so obvious and yet so lacking.
poor kicking skills is why the poor old tiges will be battling for some time to come.
 
A bit harsh on young Rance there. Still getting used to the pace of the game and was probably very nervous in front of the largest crowd he has ever played in front of. Reserve your judgement and give the bloke a chance. Whilst we do have a number of players who tend to butcher the ball through the middle and back half, I am more concerned with the rolling zone tactic. I don't think we have got it right or the skills to execute it. Too many times last night, players running the ball out of the back line had to hold the ball up, chip sideways or backwards because there was nothing on offer up the ground. Why? What is the point of having a team that is fleet of foot and can move the ball quickly if we have no-one presenting down the ground. Tactically there is something wrong and I think it contributes to our poor skills. REVALUATE YOUR GAMEPLAN WALLET!
 
I listed with me mate last night our players who are skillfull and good decision makers who get a regular game:

Deledio
Newman
Brown

Oh deary me....
 
Reckon the title of this thread really does sum it up.

It seems to be the difference between us and the top teams.
And in today's style of game, with rolling defences, clusters, etc, the contrast shows up more.


Spoke with a couple of office building colleague during lunch today, one a Maggot and the other a Tiger.
The Tiger asked me why we handball so much?
I responded, "If you know you can't kick, you're more likely to handball!"

Confidence in kicking is a big factor.
As your confidence builds, so does your success.
Of course, as you practise your weakness more & more, it becomes a strength, you gain confidence in it, and consequently you get better at it.

Lots & lots of long kicking practise under pressure, I guess!
 
Phantom said:
Reckon the title of this thread really does sum it up.

It seems to be the difference between us and the top teams.
And in today's style of game, with rolling defences, clusters, etc, the contrast shows up more.


Spoke with a couple of office building colleague during lunch today, one a Maggot and the other a Tiger.
The Tiger asked me why we handball so much?
I responded, "If you know you can't kick, you're more likely to handball!"

Confidence in kicking is a big factor.
As your confidence builds, so does your success.
Of course, as you practise your weakness more & more, it becomes a strength, you gain confidence in it, and consequently you get better at it.

Lots & lots of long kicking practise under pressure, I guess!
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Cuz might as well take over as midfield assistant coach I reckon. This skilful player must be thinking "What the hell is this?" during Wallace's great training regime.

We might as well put on Geelong guernseys when it comes to handball mania happening too often.

Forget it once and for all Wallace....we ain't Geelong !
 
Phantom said:
Reckon the title of this thread really does sum it up.

It seems to be the difference between us and the top teams.
And in today's style of game, with rolling defences, clusters, etc, the contrast shows up more.


Spoke with a couple of office building colleague during lunch today, one a Maggot and the other a Tiger.
The Tiger asked me why we handball so much?
I responded, "If you know you can't kick, you're more likely to handball!"

Confidence in kicking is a big factor.
As your confidence builds, so does your success.
Of course, as you practise your weakness more & more, it becomes a strength, you gain confidence in it, and consequently you get better at it.

Lots & lots of long kicking practise under pressure, I guess!
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So did the Maggot supporter have any thing to say??
 
Of course we cant seriously challenge if we cant kick. But how long have people been saying this for ? !

Heaps of PRE posters…countless supporters…..media…..even the club itself has bemoaned the fact we are grossly under skilled. But what does the club do about it ? Nothing !

Until people ….or more importantly the club…..realise that it is simply not good enough to have a bunch of blokes with certain virtues - but absolutely garbage foot and hand skills going around - then we are destined to dwell in mediocrity forever. The way we persist in recruiting and then keeping these glass half full types is infuriating.

Edwards, White, Raines, McGuane, Polo, Pattison, Graham, Richo, Jackson, McMuffin, Thomson, JON, Hughes….just for a start are all sub-standard by foot. We can carry one or two (e.g. the special types like Richo who bring so much more to the table to counter balance) but that’s waaaay too many hack kicks to be able to afford on a list – especially the way the game’s played nowadays i.e. possession football.

I’m sick and tired of hearing about how such and such is good because of this and that when he butchers the ball continuously and undermines what a game winning system is all about. I’m even more tired by the fact the club continues to recruit and labour on with these blokes.

Good grief. Edwards last night was just diabolical. Geez he's a *smile* kick.
 
Ghost of Punt Road said:
If you can't kick under pressure you can try to take the pressure off with game plans where team mates make space and assist each other.
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No doubt our game plan (or lack thereof) contributes to matters. This constant sideways, backwards and circle turning movement, plus short kicking and over hand balling is ridiculous at times. For the large part, its something Wallace has not been able to weed out of them in his time with us.
 
The direction of modern football is going the way of players who are above all good by foot. I wasn’t a big fan of recuiting him initially but at least Cousins does really add in that area.
 
Sure, many kicks didn't hit targets around the ground, but the important thing to remember here, is the targets appeared to present.
The problem with most clubs in Feb. lies with execution and I think 3-4 practice matches will iron out some of these flaws.
We pushed the ball around by foot and hand alot last year with some success. Why change the process when this seems to be the trend of modern footy?
 
Phantom said:
Reckon the title of this thread really does sum it up.

It seems to be the difference between us and the top teams.
And in today's style of game, with rolling defences, clusters, etc, the contrast shows up more.


Spoke with a couple of office building colleague during lunch today, one a Maggot and the other a Tiger.
The Tiger asked me why we handball so much?
I responded, "If you know you can't kick, you're more likely to handball!"

Confidence in kicking is a big factor.
As your confidence builds, so does your success.
Of course, as you practise your weakness more & more, it becomes a strength, you gain confidence in it, and consequently you get better at it.

Lots & lots of long kicking practise under pressure, I guess!
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Have to disagree there.
They are told to handball.- Coaches directative. ( they did the same against Freo)
Cousins is agreat kick, how many handballs did he have again.
We handball for the sake of handballing.
when we do kick, it is usally laterally. ::)
 
TigerForce said:
....and to think that Scumwood has Paul Hudson and Mark Neeld as assistant coaches.
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Good players don't always make good coaches,average players can become good coaches.
 
No doubt our kicking skills are a problem, but what really frustrated me last night, was how poor our handball was.
Poor decisions, badly executed, far too often.
It's such a simple skill compared to kicking, why can't we even do this.
I really hope we're just shaking off the rust.
 
Two of the better kicks recruited didn't end up making it - Meyer and Casserley - which is a real shame
 
Ghost of Punt Road said:
If you can't kick under pressure you can try to take the pressure off with game plans where team mates make space and assist each other.
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I say it constantly, and I'm gonna keep on saying it until I see it change: We will always be under pressure if we don't work harder and sacrifice for our team-mates. That means running from behind the ball carrier so he doesn't have stationary options - and shepherding for him so he isn't under pressure in the first place! Aaaarrrggghyhhhh
 
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