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Cardinal George Pell, The Catholic Church and Child Sex Abuse
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Saddened and angered watching this. Most or all of it is already on the public record, a lot of Ballarat Catholics, or ex-Catholics like me would know it all too. Pell has been climbing the Catholic corporate ladder while all this has been known. Priest> Monsignor > Bishop > Archbishop > Cardinal. He reckons he'll be next pope I'll bet. Dad went to St Pats with Pell, lets say they didn't get along. Dad always said the main thing he learned there was never send his sons to a Catholic school. He wasn't sexually abused, but bullied by the brothers, as most were. He was banished from the footy side and humiliated by the coach, a very old brother, for running with the ball, my Dad was a good player, always in rep sides, country journeyman semi-pro. (He sent my sister to Sacred Heart funnily enough, she has a disability and had a good experience there, Mum and Dad knew some teachers there, it was progressive. The Catholic church is a big corporation, it has some good divisions, and a lot of bad ones). St Alipius was our local Parish until Dad swore off the church when I was about 8 or 9, (he married and had kids very young and his parents were his only instruction manual until his mid twenties), my older brother was a gun tennis player and played for them, teamates committed suicide.
Pell should be brought to account
Pell should be brought to account
Betfair should give the odds of Pell appearing before the Royal Commission in a Suit and Tie
Or his Robes and Gowns (designed to intimidate)
Or his Robes and Gowns (designed to intimidate)
Azza said:
Intuitively this makes sense - if you were brought up Catholic with that terrible notion of guilt and sin over erotic feelings, let alone paedophilic feelings, then you might seek the church and priesthood as a safe haven to suppress those feelings. Unfortunately suppression rarely works and this combined with pastoral access to vulnerable people and its a recipe for disaster.
This further enabled by the corruptness of the church hierarchy out to protect the church, the wealth of the church, themselves and their colleagues. .
antman said:
And being forgiven by God is more important than the letter of the law, so it's easy to justify 'supporting' other priests that have privately confessed to doing wrong and have come to you for forgiveness. Plus, to have a free conscience, then obviously in prayer God told them all is good, keep covering up for each other.
If these guys have a direct line to a personal God then why did they forgive known child abusers and allow them to continue being in contact with Children? These guys 'converse with God' every night
Catholic God allows this stuff to happen to children.
Catholic God has these pedos as representatives of their church.
But lets blame the devil for this evil.
Catholic God has these pedos as representatives of their church.
But lets blame the devil for this evil.
Tigers of Old said:Catholic God allows this stuff to happen to children.
Catholic God has these pedos as representatives of their church.
By but lets blame the devil for this.
...by choosing not to stop child abuse by priests, he's doing good because he works in mysterious ways
Attended a catholic school and feel very lucky that none of what has gone on I experienced.
Those poor kids that went to St Alipius in the early 1970s where almost every class had a (now) convicted pedophile teacher and of course a pedophile chaplin.
Found this snippet from a former catholic priest quite unbelievable
McKinnon said Mulkearns "probably" knew about Ridsdale's crimes. But, he said, notions of paedophilia were different then.
"It is clearer it is a crime now because we know the effect of it. Then I don't think even the psychologists or the psychiatrists knew the effects of it. Just as you wouldn't go to the police if someone was an alcoholic or something, in the wisdom of the time."
He said in the 1970s, the Catholic hierarchy thought Ridsdale could be cured and would stop offending. "You try hard and you can improve. We are a lot wiser now, but it is a bit late. There was a hope that people get their act together. Given the support they need they could change. It was the wisdom of the time."
So back in the day, they thought that children being raped by their priest or teacher wasn't a crime?
I used to believe in god many years ago, but all this has confimed in my mind that there is no such thing.
Those poor kids that went to St Alipius in the early 1970s where almost every class had a (now) convicted pedophile teacher and of course a pedophile chaplin.
Found this snippet from a former catholic priest quite unbelievable
McKinnon said Mulkearns "probably" knew about Ridsdale's crimes. But, he said, notions of paedophilia were different then.
"It is clearer it is a crime now because we know the effect of it. Then I don't think even the psychologists or the psychiatrists knew the effects of it. Just as you wouldn't go to the police if someone was an alcoholic or something, in the wisdom of the time."
He said in the 1970s, the Catholic hierarchy thought Ridsdale could be cured and would stop offending. "You try hard and you can improve. We are a lot wiser now, but it is a bit late. There was a hope that people get their act together. Given the support they need they could change. It was the wisdom of the time."
So back in the day, they thought that children being raped by their priest or teacher wasn't a crime?
I used to believe in god many years ago, but all this has confimed in my mind that there is no such thing.
I am not sure how many know that George Pell very nearly became a Richmond player ? He was a promising ruckman who did a pre season with the aim of playing for the Under 19s in the late 50's but decided to go with the RC's rather than the RFC
Something we would rather keep quiet.
Something we would rather keep quiet.
Yep I find the excuse, that's what happened back in those days, very frustrating.
like the stolen generation, like assimilating aboriginals into white society, burning fossil fuels.
I know it's easy to look back in hindsight and say, "what were they thinking back then"
I wonder actions of ours, the next generation will find abhorrent?
Treatment of asylum seekers?
Climate change denial?
like the stolen generation, like assimilating aboriginals into white society, burning fossil fuels.
I know it's easy to look back in hindsight and say, "what were they thinking back then"
I wonder actions of ours, the next generation will find abhorrent?
Treatment of asylum seekers?
Climate change denial?
