the Pell disaster will inevitably find its way into a movie
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the Pell disaster will inevitably find its way into a movie
This vengeance fantasy is movie world stuff. How many of the other priests who were known paedophiles living in the community were murdered by victims or people acting on ther behalf? Maybe a few and they have been covered up or maybe none?Not surprised. ... the legal world, politics and the church, particularly the Catholics, have always been intrinsically linked. No separations of power.
Plenty of rock spiders in all organizations wielding that power. Pell can now spend the rest of his days looking over his shoulder and living in fear..... in a strange way he may end up finding he was safer where he was.
And Lindy Chamberlain is still a murderer?And let's not forget he is still a convicted pedophile.
No need to mention the conviction has been overturned.
I'd like to see Brendon Gale come out and make a strong statement as well.
Express Richmond's support for victims and apologise for our mistake in being associated with Pell for far longer than we should have.
It would be a powerful message of strength against a man who at his very best is guilty of supporting pedophiles.
I'd be a bit wary of JonFsines legal analysis.... He was a lawyer 30 years ago.Interesting article by Jon Faine: https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-a-reality-check-20200407-p54hul.html?ref=rss
Includes this section:
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The jury system relies on having members of the community assess the evidence on its merits. The judgement of the members of the community has now been thrown out, effectively along with the evidence given by the victim. This is hugely problematic.
DS
The lynchmob couldn't get past the camera crews.Actually he was probably the perfect choice for that organisation.
Surprised to see Georgie Porgie head up the Hume and stop at a servo today. I reckon he would have been a pretty good chance to get anything from abuse to a smack in the face.
So the Club obviously thinks they don't have anything to contribute. And as for him ignoring you, does prove that all the talk from the club about being responsive to fans is just corporate clap trap if he cannot even send back the generic reply "thanks for your email. The Club welcomes members views on a range of topics. Eat em alive, B Gale LLB"It most certainly involves the RFC when you have a pedophile supporter act as a patron.
I've actually emailed Brendon several times on this issue and others. Never had a response so I don't bother anymore.
Actually he was probably the perfect choice for that organisation.
Surprised to see Georgie Porgie head up the Hume and stop at a servo today. I reckon he would have been a pretty good chance to get anything from abuse to a smack in the face.
Actually he was probably the perfect choice for that organisation.
Surprised to see Georgie Porgie head up the Hume and stop at a servo today. I reckon he would have been a pretty good chance to get anything from abuse to a smack in the face.
The hot dogs at a servo are probably a bit old for Pell's liking.Probably just as well he didn't go for a hot dog.
Don't mind this take on the High Court Appeal.
There are 12 unmentioned victims in the Pell verdict: the jurors
For 800 years, juries have been the finders of fact, while higher courts have judged the judges and ruled on legal errors.www.smh.com.au
Don't mind this take on the High Court Appeal.
they are tow diffeNo he's innocent.
I can't say it any better than the bloke in the Australian this morning;
The exoneration of George Pell has revealed institutional flaws in Victoria that will tarnish Australian justice in the eyes of the world. Those shortcomings must be remedied.
The baseless conviction of Cardinal Pell is an international scandal that will rank alongside the jailing of Lindy Chamberlain for the murder of her baby, who was actually taken by a dingo.
Just like the Chamberlain case, the Pell disaster will inevitably find its way into a movie that will do no favours for the standing of Australian justice.
Two of the state’s most senior judges — Chief Justice Anne Ferguson and Court of Appeal president Chris Maxwell — have been shown to have made a fundamental error; the reliability of the state’s jury system has been left in doubt; and the wisdom of the state’s police in effectively advertising for complaints about the cardinal is open to question.
The immediate blame will inevitably rest with the Court of Appeal. But that court also boasts the real hero in this affair: judge Mark Weinberg, who defied the state’s anti-Pell frenzy and delivered a powerful, 204-page dissent whose reasoning has now been vindicated.
The High Court’s 44-page unanimous judgment amounts to a primer for the judiciary, particularly in Victoria, on how criminal justice is supposed to work. That primer was needed: if an innocent man can be jailed without a proper basis in law, nobody is safe.
The pain for Victoria does not end there. Pell’s tormentors in the media will need to re-examine the way they engaged in years of character assassination that has left them looking foolish.
The state government cannot escape the fallout. Victoria should join NSW by allowing high-profile criminal matters to be heard by a judge alone — without the assistance of a potentially biased jury.
The worst aspect of this case is that Victorian legislation meant the Pell jury was denied the full story about the man who claimed to have been assaulted by the cardinal.
Relevant evidence about the complainant was kept from the jury by virtue of legislation that was put in place with the clear intention of protecting those who claim to be victims of sexual assault.
The Pell jury was never told that the complainant had a history of psychological problems that required treatment. Nor were they told that Pell’s legal team was rebuffed in court — in the absence of the jury — when they attempted to gain access to records showing the extent of this man’s psychological problems.
That episode is outlined in the special leave application that was filed in the High Court by Pell’s legal team, led by Bret Walker SC. During the trial, it would have been a contempt of court for anyone to reveal this incident.
That application, which is a public document on file with the High Court, says “the applicant (Pell) could not tell the jury that the complainant had had psychological treatment and the applicant had been denied the ability to obtain records of it”.
That needs to change.
There is no way this is true LTRTRIf the Royal Commission report shows Pell has a case to answer for concealing the crimes of others, he'll no doubt be charged over it.
Yeh an article in The Aust supporting Pell - amazing. And agree abuse is often predicated on the powerless. Great the author thinks we shouldn't listen to anyone with physcological issues.
None of us on PRE would get a say
George Pell appeal: Don’t accept sanitised history of clerical abuse said:...
By this time, there were police engaged in the earnest investigation of offending priests and other clerics. They invariably describe their work at the time as largely unsupported by their senior colleagues. One detective who first brought the monstrous Christian Brother Ted Dowlan to justice wrote memos to senior police almost begging for the establishment of a task force. His requests were ignored.
Other detectives carried out their investigations largely in private, deeply suspicious of sharing information with colleagues in the fear that their investigations would be compromised.2
That is the potted history. There’s more, of course. In Ballarat. In Melbourne and elsewhere in Victoria. It speaks of manifest failures, wilful ignorance and systemic corruption.
When we move to the present and VicPol’s Sano Task Force’s pursuit of George Pell ending in ignominy, the question must be asked, did Victoria Police seek to erase its dismal history by the failed pursuit of one man, a prince of the Church?
Consider an alternate reality where John Day had been charged and sentenced to a long term of imprisonment for his crimes against children in Mildura in 1972. Or if Ridsdale had been brought before the courts and prosecuted in Inglewood 1974. Hundreds of victims would have been spared the trauma of abuse. There is no other way of looking at it.
We understand the Catholic Church’s failings, the miserable felonious business of covering up and moving clerical paedophiles onto other parishes and new groups of unsuspecting victims. What is barely known is the role of the police in facilitating those crimes.
There’s no shortage of guilt. More than enough to go around.
JACK THE INSIDER/
Yes, interesting that appeal courts are now judging evidence not just questions of law.
But, the high court didn't hear the witness testimony, yet they apparently have a better idea of whether it was credible.
If they are just going to ignore jury decisions then be honest and say so, and abolish juries if one's peers are no longer seen to be fit to judge one.
DS
As I understand it the high court judges watch the video evidence and read transcripts just as the court of appeal judges did last year.Yes, interesting that appeal courts are now judging evidence not just questions of law.
But, the high court didn't hear the witness testimony, yet they apparently have a better idea of whether it was credible.
DS
Bolt will not be able to restrain himself.I see Pell is going to be interviewed by Andrew Bolt on Tuesday.
I've been paying for two Foxtel subscriptions for over 20 years, if this interview goes the way I think it will I'll be done.