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zippadeee

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How did the Brad Lloyd survive the 'internal review'?
With mate's like Lloyd who needs enemies
 
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MD Jazz

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No there needs to be a causal link to the vaccine TBR. If not, the death would not be recorded as an adverse event.

Reports of death in people who have been vaccinated​

Large scale vaccination means that coincidentally some people will experience a new illness or die within a few days or weeks of vaccination.
The TGA reviews all deaths reported in people who have been vaccinated. As the number of vaccinated people has increased, so has reporting of fatal events with a coincidental association with vaccination. This does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths.
Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 17 October 2021, approximately 32.7 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given. So far, the TGA has found 9 reports of death that were linked to immunisation from 612 reports received and reviewed. The overwhelming majority of deaths reported to the TGA following vaccination occurred in people aged 65 years and older. The deaths linked to immunisation occurred after the first dose of Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) – 8 were TTS cases and one was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP).
 
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MD Jazz

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Astrazeneca
Number of reports (cases): 40298
Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 393

Comirnaty (Pfizer)
Number of reports (cases): 36647
Number of cases where death was a reported outcome: 227

So a total of approx. 77,000 reported adverse events (yes the majority of these are very much on the minor scale) and a total of 620 linked deaths. This should be balanced out against a total number of COVID-19 deaths in this country for 2021 which currently stands at 193. I won’t bother going into age breakdown of COVID-19 related deaths suffice to say they are very much weighted to the 70s and over.

Clearly the vaccines have saved lives, particularly for those most vulnerable in our communities. However, we should also understand that they do not come without inherent risk. Indeed, for younger, healthier cohorts it may be plausibly argued that risk of harm from the vaccines could actually outweigh the modest benefits.
9 linked deaths from 656 reports received and reviewed. Not 620 linked deaths as I read it.

 
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Aegean Tiger

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That's not my understanding Aegean.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/australian-vaccine-death-claims-are-a-data-dupe/

This is an excerpt from the above article:

A spokeswoman for the TGA told AAP FactCheck the medicines regulator reviewed all reported deaths in people who had received the vaccinations.

“Reporting and publication of an adverse event report in the DAEN, including death, does not necessarily mean that it is related to the medicine or vaccine,” she said in an email.

The spokeswoman added that as the number of vaccinated people increased, so did reporting of adverse events and deaths with a coincidental association with vaccination.

“This does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths,” she said.

More than 19 million COVID-19 vaccine doses had been administered by August 29, according to the TGA report. A spokeswoman later added that around 78 per cent of the deaths reported following vaccination had occurred in people aged 65 years and older. This figure is in line with the age makeup of deaths among the general population before the pandemic.


This article was a bit earlier than your data but had 495 deaths reported to DAEN, and 9 were able to be attributed to the vaccine. If that ratio is continuing your 620 deaths would be more like 12 deaths as a result of vaccination.
Thanks TBR. Very interesting wording in that article. Nonetheless, you are correct, I probably should have said perceived relationship b/w the vaccine and the adverse event.

A point to note is that the data contained in the notification reports received by the TGA is first coded and analysed in the internal TGA system simply to determine safety signals before being made available in the public facing system. Based on my understanding, these reports do not have the all the data necessary to fully assess the safety of the medicine or vaccine. It is therefore strange to me that the TGA spokeswoman would say that a "Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths”.

Clearly, a significant amount of global safety data is starting to accumulate this requires serious investigation. Patterns are emerging. IMO there is much, much work to do before anyone can determine whether the reporting of these events is, or is not a "coincidental association" with the vaccines.

More importantly, due to the voluntary nature of the reporting process, I think it would be fair to suggest that adverse events are actually being under reported.
 

Aegean Tiger

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9 linked deaths from 656 reports received and reviewed. Not 620 linked deaths as I read it.

Yes 9 confirmed deaths as at 11 Nov. Does not mean the investigation has closed on other linked cases.

The figures I provided were based on a search of DAEN. If interested you can perform your own search by going to the following link:
 

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Dont be mean TBR, I am sure he watched many you tube videos, and checked out a variety of FB pages.

I actually did write something mean but thought better of it. :censored:

He's a good fella, just terribly misguided in this instance.

Thanks TBR. Very interesting wording in that article. Nonetheless, you are correct, I probably should have said perceived relationship b/w the vaccine and the adverse event.

No worries Aegean. For what it's worth my personal take is there are a lot of people dying after having the vaccine, because we are giving it to huge amounts of people and lots of people die all the time.

I have the utmost faith that our medical professionals are fully reporting and investigating any deaths potentially resulting from taking the vaccine, but there are very few of these because it just isn't a likely outcome from the procedure.
 
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100yr old across the rd died within a week of receiving Astrazeneca. Family tried hard to get phizer but government said no. 100yr old going ok and got the jab because she was going out on regular outings (assisted) with her elderly friends. Daughter said officials failed to acknowledge AstraZeneca was the reason for her death. Guessing she hasn’t been included in the official stats.
 

Brodders17

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100yr old across the rd died within a week of receiving Astrazeneca. Family tried hard to get phizer but government said no. 100yr old going ok and got the jab because she was going out on regular outings (assisted) with her elderly friends. Daughter said officials failed to acknowledge AstraZeneca was the reason for her death. Guessing she hasn’t been included in the official stats.
I cant think of any other reason a 100yo could die.
 
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deedee

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That's absolutely not correct.

If a patient has a legitimate reason to be at risk from the vaccine then the Doctor won't recommend it for them. Nor would a Doctor in the same position take the vaccine or be expected to.

Without that, any Doctor would recommend the vaccine to a patient and take it themselves because that is the medically sound course of action.
This is the internet, please purchase a tinfoil hat and stop using the truth and commonsense to back up your position on this subject.
 
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deedee

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So that makes a system where a candidate gets 1% of the vote who then gets an additional 50% of the vote sold / donated to him by other candidates doing back room deals to try n shaft other contenders an ideal system??
Vote below the line, it's not hard.
 
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tigerdell

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i was *smile* loving this thread for a while and having no *smile* idea what was being said.
Sadly the last page or two has been coherent and clear discussion. It doesnt belong here.
Bring back the freedoms of choice and chance!
Bring back the indepth exploration if David owns his own body or is it a tyranny?
Will the Doctors control society or can we all fight back by staying at home?
 
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MD Jazz

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Thanks TBR. Very interesting wording in that article. Nonetheless, you are correct, I probably should have said perceived relationship b/w the vaccine and the adverse event.

A point to note is that the data contained in the notification reports received by the TGA is first coded and analysed in the internal TGA system simply to determine safety signals before being made available in the public facing system. Based on my understanding, these reports do not have the all the data necessary to fully assess the safety of the medicine or vaccine. It is therefore strange to me that the TGA spokeswoman would say that a "Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths”.

Clearly, a significant amount of global safety data is starting to accumulate this requires serious investigation. Patterns are emerging. IMO there is much, much work to do before anyone can determine whether the reporting of these events is, or is not a "coincidental association" with the vaccines.

More importantly, due to the voluntary nature of the reporting process, I think it would be fair to suggest that adverse events are actually being under reported.
At least you acknowledged you used the statistics disingenuously. Unfortunately it makes it difficult to trust much else you pontificate on.
 
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MD Jazz

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Or not...


Doesn’t sound like many of them were entering the Hawaiian Ironman any time soon

Following the deaths, the Norwegian Institute of Public Health updated its Covid-19 vaccination guide with more detailed advice on inoculating elderly people who are frail or terminally ill.
 

Aegean Tiger

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At least you acknowledged you used the statistics disingenuously. Unfortunately it makes it difficult to trust much else you pontificate on.
No skin in the game. Just trying to engage in mature debate in order to make sense of the madness.

I reported the figures that were presented after doing a basic search of DAEN (Jan 2021 to Nov 2021). Not my figures. Anyone can do this. No doubt you came up with the same figures after doing your own search. The figures clearly suggest patterns. There is much further global scientific work underway to investigate these patterns here and elsewhere in the world. The book has not closed.

My error was to incorrectly suggest that there "needs to be a causal link to the vaccine" rather than more correctly suggesting that "there needs to be a perceived causal link to the vaccine" in order for the adverse event to be recorded. Reckon medical practitioners recording these events would not be doing so lightly.

You are correct on one point though, be very careful who you trust......as I do!
 
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MD Jazz

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No skin in the game. Just trying to engage in mature debate in order to make sense of the madness.

I reported the figures that were presented after doing a basic search of DAEN (Jan 2021 to Nov 2021).
So why bother posting something that you haven't actually read and digested properly? And pass it off as fact? You intimated there had been almost as many deaths from vaccine reactions as from covid which is simply *smile*. Don't now pretend you're simply trying to make sense of the madness.

I'd argue you're more trying to muddy the waters.
 
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TigerMasochist

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Vote below the line, it's not hard.
Why would I waste my time doing that?? Haven't trusted or voted for any of the dodgy manipulative bull shitting shonks for about thirty years n have no intention of ever bothering again.
 
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