Carlton v. Geelong

[Big Cat Lover]

You call another posters opinion rubbish yet you are convinced the cats played to their full potential on sat night that we would get thumped by 150 pts if we played Geelong.
Laughable.

Don't know if you read my post? I didn't say a full strength Richmond side would get flogged by 150 plus?

How many of Carlton's best players were out? If we played Geelong without how many - about 9 of our best - players such as Richo/Simmonds/Deledio/Foley/Cousins/Moore/Cotchin/Brown/Newman - we would get flogged! We got beat by St Kilda by 10 goals without those players didn't we?
Where did I say the Cats played to their full potential? They wouldn't need to hit 1st gear to beat us without those players. If they played to their full potential and we had the above players out yes, we would get thumped and I'd suggest 25 goals would be about the margin. I still recall JON running around the HBF in 2007 when we got the previous 150 point flogging. He might just scrape in with those players out.

Carlton's kids were very impressive IMO and agree with most media in suggesting they would have got more out of the game than Geelong.

I'm questioning the attitude of this thread that IMO has under-rated the Carlton performance and their chances against us come Round 1.

Given the players to come back in, the fact they seem to be getting a bit of the arrogance back and that they are going to meet a RFC side big on heart but light on skills I'm personally not very confident about our chances.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Don't know if you read my post? I didn't say a full strength Richmond side would get flogged by 150 plus?

I wasnt saying if we had a full strength side in either.You were implying that if we put our kids up against Geelong last Sat night we would have got flogged by 150pts.
Geelong hardly got out of 2nd gear.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Do you really believe that rubbish? To me they were impressive, the way a pack of kids went about it - if we sat out similar players (as we did against St Kilda) we would have got close to the 150 point plus hiding the cats gave us in 2007. Anyone who thinks Carlton are not looking the big (and definitely bigger than us) improvers of 2009 is watching a different game to me. Particlarly impressed wuith their chasing/tackling - definitely not confident heading into Round 1.

Didn't the Blues win a spoon after they won the pre season cup just a few years ago?

Anyone who reads anything into this stage of the (NAB) year is plainly foolish.

I am not suggesting that they will win the spoon as they have clearly improved since then but I don't think you can read too much into how teams are traveling at this stage of the year either on the back of practice match form.

Too many variables, unrealistic conditions and lack of premiership pressure.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Didn't the Blues win a spoon after they won the pre season cup just a few years ago?

Anyone who reads anything into this stage of the (NAB) year is plainly foolish.

I am not suggesting that they will win the spoon as they have clearly improved since then but I don't think you can read too much into how teams are traveling at this stage of the year either on the back of practice match form.

Too many variables, unrealistic conditions and lack of premiership pressure.

I'm not just looking at NAB cup form this year, I'm looking at their list, their attitude etc and I suppose the proof will be in where teams finish at the end of the season. IMO Carlton will finish higher than us. We'll see who is foolish then I suppose.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I'm not just looking at NAB cup form this year, I'm looking at their list, their attitude etc

I took it that your post was based on the way that they played the other night.
You didn't infer any of the above in the post I quoted.

 

[AstuteTiger]

I'm not just looking at NAB cup form this year, I'm looking at their list, their attitude etc and I suppose the proof will be in where teams finish at the end of the season. IMO Carlton will finish higher than us. We'll see who is foolish then I suppose.

Oh dear, BCL u say im looking at their list, do urself a favour and buy todays hearld sun with their full list, preferred starting 18, interchange and emrgencies and in reserve...i think they're on the improve wont deny that but have a deeper look at their depth, its pitiful, and yes proof will be in the pudding when we finish higher than them and sure we'll definitely then see who is being foolish...

Guys like garlett who i think has been playing well wont be allowed to roam so freely in the real stuff, yes he's a rookie and might be upgraded...

Have a look at that fwd line take out Fev and they're stuffed...If they are going to rely on yarran & robinson (1st yr players) + betts and Houlihan they are in for a rude awakening......There backline lets in more goals than the gulf....

Good midfield u wont get an argument out of me on that...Id also have to say that walker would find himself atleast on the bench ahead of chris johnson or wiggins...

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Oh dear, BCL u say im looking at their list, do urself a favour and buy todays hearld sun with their full list, preferred starting 18, interchange and emrgencies and in reserve...i think they're on the improve wont deny that but have a deeper look at their depth, its pitiful, and yes proof will be in the pudding when we finish higher than them and sure we'll definitely then see who is being foolish...

Guys like garlett who i think has been playing well wont be allowed to roam so freely in the real stuff, yes he's a rookie and might be upgraded...

Have a look at that fwd line take out Fev and they're stuffed...If they are going to rely on yarran & robinson (1st yr players) + betts and Houlihan they are in for a rude awakening......There backline lets in more goals than the gulf....

Good midfield u wont get an argument out of me on that...Id also have to say that walker would find himself atleast on the bench ahead of chris johnson or wiggins...

And your critical assessment of our list or do you look at that through rose coloured glasses?

Unfortunately I cannot see how our skill level is going to improve - kicking skills are developed from U 9's and a lot of our guys haven't improved since then. All the endeavour in the world is not going to change that. We have plenty of guys who try hard, and almost to a man you couldn't question their application in general but whe you can't hit a target you'll be doing lots of chasing.

I want to be wrong, and will gratefully admit it at the end of the year if we finish above them but I think we are going to be disappointed yet again. I suppose decades of watching mediocrity does that to you.

A midfield of players such as Judd/Stevens/Murphy/Gibbs with Walker/Simpson/Hadley/Carazzo as rotations is only behind the cats IMO for depth.

Fevola the best FF in the game. Their forward line lacks another tall option but Fisher plays tall and Betts one of the best small forwards in the comp. Fevola hard to stop if delivery good however, which given the midfield it should be.

Waite an improving key back in the Moore mould only bigger and any 2 of Thornton/Jamison/Bower not far behind or equal to Thursfield/McGuane. Scotland is better than McMahon and Kruezer an improving ruckman. C.Cloke a better 2nd ruck than anything we have got.

 

[AstuteTiger]

And your critical assessment of our list or do you look at that through rose coloured glasses?

Unfortunately I cannot see how our skill level is going to improve - kicking skills are developed from U 9's and a lot of our guys haven't improved since then. All the endeavour in the world is not going to change that. We have plenty of guys who try hard, and almost to a man you couldn't question their application in general but whe you can't hit a target you'll be doing lots of chasing.

I want to be wrong, and will gratefully admit it at the end of the year if we finish above them but I think we are going to be disappointed yet again. I suppose decades of watching mediocrity does that to you.

A midfield of players such as Judd/Stevens/Murphy/Gibbs with Walker/Simpson/Hadley/Carazzo as rotations is only behind the cats IMO for depth.

Fevola the best FF in the game. Their forward line lacks another tall option but Fisher plays tall and Betts one of the best small forwards in the comp. Fevola hard to stop if delivery good however, which given the midfield it should be.

Waite an improving key back in the Moore mould only bigger and any 2 of Thornton/Jamison/Bower not far behind or equal to Thursfield/McGuane. Scotland is better than McMahon and Kruezer an improving ruckman. C.Cloke a better 2nd ruck than anything we have got.

Firstly, i wasn’t talking about Richmond i was basically posting about what you were saying about the blues, so not sure why u mentioning about rose coloured glasses, i was merely posting re the blues...

Hey if that’s how u see the tiges fair enough, i see it different so lets just wait and see..

Now BCL come on blues midfield behind the cats, cant be serious in today’s paper they havent even got walker in the starting 22 and Hadley, please a dud of the highest order....See u talk about skill level but u mention Carazzo “turn over king” a butcher of the ball to the highest order..

Betts one of the best small fwds in the comp now ive heard it all, he’s a dud serious...
Fisher does play tall but can’t kick for crap, i mean ur harping on about skills etc

Jamison ok he’s coming along well but bower nope and Thornton give me a break..

Scotland ill grant you that, good skills and their rucks are ahead at this stage as young Vickery, Browne and Putt need time....Gus has looked ok in the nab games but still need to see more to be convinced and Cameron Cloke, sorry a DUD...

Well id take this midfield any day of the week,

Deledio
Cotchin
Foley
Cousins
Tuck
Cogs
Thompson
Jackson
Polo
Tambling
Edwards
And perhaps a few others which i havent mentioned due to youth but the ones above are the main ones who will rotate through the midfield...

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Firstly, i wasn’t talking about Richmond i was basically posting about what you were saying about the blues, so not sure why u mentioning about rose coloured glasses, i was merely posting re the blues...

Hey if that’s how u see the tiges fair enough, i see it different so lets just wait and see..

Now BCL come on blues midfield behind the cats, cant be serious in today’s paper they havent even got walker in the starting 22 and Hadley, please a dud of the highest order....See u talk about skill level but u mention Carazzo “turn over king” a butcher of the ball to the highest order..

Betts one of the best small fwds in the comp now ive heard it all, he’s a dud serious...
Fisher does play tall but can’t kick for crap, i mean ur harping on about skills etc

Jamison ok he’s coming along well but bower nope and Thornton give me a break..

Scotland ill grant you that, good skills and their rucks are ahead at this stage as young Vickery, Browne and Putt need time....Gus has looked ok in the nab games but still need to see more to be convinced and Cameron Cloke, sorry a DUD...

Well id take this midfield any day of the week,

Deledio
Cotchin
Foley
Cousins
Tuck
Cogs
Thompson
Jackson
Polo
Tambling
Edwards
And perhaps a few others which i havent mentioned due to youth but the ones above are the main ones who will rotate through the midfield...

With a bagging like that how can you also say Carlton are on the improve?

Hadley a dud? If he is a dud how do you rate Jackson/Polo? Super duds?

Carazzo won a B&F didn't he? Achieved more than Jackson/Polo/Tambling/Edwards

 

[TigerPort]

It would only take Judd and Stevens to be out of the Carlton midfield to reduce it to average

Stevens isn't playing first round is he??

 

[Disco08]

Carazzo won a B&F didn't he? Achieved more than Jackson/Polo/Tambling/Edwards

He's also 2.5 years older than anyone in that group and was performing well below his current form 2 years ago. Maybe if we give them time we might find a Carazzo/Boyd/Sewell of our own.

I agree Carlton is looking decent now though. They have a midfield nucleus the envy of almost anyone and enough depth to cover the odd injury.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

He's also 2.5 years older than anyone in that group and was performing well below his current form 2 years ago. Maybe if we give them time we might find a Carazzo/Boyd/Sewell of our own.
I agree Carlton is looking decent now though. They have a midfield nucleus the envy of almost anyone and enough depth to cover the odd injury.

Good point - I see Edwards as being the one from that bunch making the big improvement, unfortunately his disposal can be a bit like carazzo.....

 

[AstuteTiger]

With a bagging like that how can you also say Carlton are on the improve?

Hadley a dud? If he is a dud how do you rate Jackson/Polo? Super duds?

Carazzo won a B&F didn't he? Achieved more than Jackson/Polo/Tambling/Edwards

I see its hard to have a debate with you, the bagging as u put it is based on points u made about carazzo, or thornton or betts, i gave you some of my thoughts on those players but i also gave u some of my thoughts on jamison, scotland, their midfield and their rucks being ahead of us, all good i might add but u some how forgot to mention all that....

Hadley is a *smile* dud and if u cant see that then i give up....Lets get this straight a guy whos turning 26 in a little over 2 weeks and hasnt even played 50 games and has an impressive 12 goals :rofl in his glittering career, sure he's been injured but still has been in the system for 8 years....

Carazzo won a B&F so what? does that make him a star? Matthew Lloyd has never won a B&F anyway back on dudrazzo just ask any carlscum supporter what they think of that turn over merchant, i spoke to 3 last night at work and they said the sooner we get rid of him the better, turns the ball over and doesnt have a footy brain...

Mate on Polo the guys what 22 and i see this year as his break out year, might look awkward in his kicking but can kick on either right or left foot, no probs.
hard at it and can win his own ball.....He'll be in our 22 this year, will take that next step...
On jackson yeah has been inconsistent over the years but something tells me he'll be a handy back up in the midfield rotations this year...
Mate to even mention Edwards who is only 20 years of age just goes to show how u go about ur posting...

 

[Tigers of Old]

I agree Carlton is looking decent now though. They have a midfield nucleus the envy of almost anyone and enough depth to cover the odd injury.

Helps when you get handed 3 number one draft picks and Chris Judd.
If they weren't improving I would be very surprised.