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Caro on Footy Confidential last night

Caro has every right to be critical of RFC and in particular Greg Miller.

RFC has underperformed like no other team over the last 25 years and our recuitment and development of players over the last 10 years has been diabolical (the last 5 of them with Miller at the Club).

Miller has just about performed every role at the Club in his 5 years at the helm and even decided to take a place on the Board to help his mate Clinton Casey out of a huge hole. This was a step that had significant corporate governance issues but was essentially overlooked by the RFC members who were desperate to show blind faith in anyone who could offer some glimmer of hope. And where has he (Miller) taken the Club in that time - nowhere - we are still on the bottom of the ladder. Hence Caro has every right to be critical and good on her for doing so!

Have a look at our first and 2nd round draft picks in the AFL draft over the last 10 years. IN fact the AFL only have them listed in full from 2001 so we will look at them from these years.

2001 - RFC traded away its first round pick. David Rodan was taken as our 2nd round pick - Delisted by RFC at end of 2006 and has grown a leg at Port Adelaide where he could be a premiership player in 2 days time.

2002 - Jay Schulz (1st round pick) - Still yet to deliver anything of significant value in 5 years at the Club. Has shown glimpses and some potential but overall has underperformed significantly. Traded away our 2nd round pick.

2003 - RFC traded away 1st round pick. Took Alex Gilmore as our only pick in the 2nd round. Never played a senior game and only spent 2 years on the Senior LIst at RFC.

2004 - 4 First round picks - Brett Deledio - Has performed well and should further develop. Hard to miss though with the first pick.
Richard Tambling - Has disappointed to date for pick number 4. Question marks over whether he will develop into the player we were hoping he would become.
Danny Meyer - Shown nothing at all to date and must be close to being delisted.
Adam Pattison - Shown enough for a young big man in 3 years to warrant giving him more time. Will hopefully develop into a key big man over the next 3 years.

Dean Polo - 2nd round pick - Very good first year for RFC and struggled with injury in year 2. Shown enough to suggest he will further develop and could become a good long term player for RFC.

2005 - Jarrard Oakley Nicholls - Has shown nothing to me whatsoever in 2 years to suggest that he is a worthy 1st round pick. Disposal and decision making seems very suspect. Needs to show rapid improvement over the next 12 months or could be an early exit from RFC.

Cleve Hughes - Has shown some talent in glimpses although obviously has big question marks given the fact that he was dropped from Coburg at the end of the season. Could be headed along the same path as JON.

2006 - Jack Riewoldt - Shown enough in his first year to suggest he has a future.

Shane Edwards - Similar to Riewoldt has shown good signs in his first year.

Overall our 1st and 2nd round picks over the last 10 years have been disastrous. It is little wonder that we have languished down the bottom of the ladder given the minimal output that we have received from our 1st and 2nd round picks in this time and the fact that we have often traded these picks away.
 
Yes i'm a junior poster so am most likely about to get unmercifully bagged. But I don't care. Anyone who knows me knows my cred as a passionate, suffering tiger who bleeds for the club. And as someone who's been bleeding since 1983 and is dangerously low on blood cells, I still don't understand everyone paying out on caro for daring to be critical.

Um is it just me or is Richmond the most underperformed club of the past 25 years? Two finals appearances in 25 years. No one even close to winning a brownlow. And sure, a brownlow is not a measure of team success, but who have we had who's been good enough to even come close?

Just think about the last quarter of a century and compare us with EVERY OTHER CLUB (except Freo maybe but then who wants to be compared with Freo - they're a joke too).

Caro has every right to be critical - as does every supporter. We are the joke of the AFL. Wake up everyone, it breaks my heart to admit it but we are a joke. If someone with influence is prepared to say that, good luck to them. Don't shoot the messenger who dares to tell the truth.

Like everyone else in this forum I hope that the kids recruited in Wallace's time will amount to something. I hope that Wallace's vision will prove to be the right one and that success isn't too far away.

But all this hysteria because a journalist - a journalist who like us, also bleeds for Richmond - dared to criticise the club..... you've got to be kidding. At least she keeps us in the papers. If it weren't for Caro the club would be forgotten cos lets face it - what else is left to say?

I'm sick of mediocrity. GODDAMMIT >:(
 
Not sure that we are discussing Caro's right(s) to critisize Miller and the RFC, rather more her standing as a journalist of note or quality.
 
Caro can be critical all she likes.

When she offers some answers then I will listen.

She is a journalist who gets paid to be controversial and like most journalist can alway point our what is wrong, but wouldh't have a clue what the solution is.

How can someone who has never played the game have any credibility in the real word.

As they say talk is cheap.
 
Young Tiger said:
Caro has every right to be critical of RFC and in particular Greg Miller.

RFC has underperformed like no other team over the last 25 years and our recuitment and development of players over the last 10 years has been diabolical (the last 5 of them with Miller at the Club).

Miller has just about performed every role at the Club in his 5 years at the helm and even decided to take a place on the Board to help his mate Clinton Casey out of a huge hole. This was a step that had significant corporate governance issues but was essentially overlooked by the RFC members who were desperate to show blind faith in anyone who could offer some glimmer of hope. And where has he (Miller) taken the Club in that time - nowhere - we are still on the bottom of the ladder. Hence Caro has every right to be critical and good on her for doing so!

Have a look at our first and 2nd round draft picks in the AFL draft over the last 10 years. IN fact the AFL only have them listed in full from 2001 so we will look at them from these years.

2001 - RFC traded away its first round pick. David Rodan was taken as our 2nd round pick - Delisted by RFC at end of 2006 and has grown a leg at Port Adelaide where he could be a premiership player in 2 days time.

2002 - Jay Schulz (1st round pick) - Still yet to deliver anything of significant value in 5 years at the Club. Has shown glimpses and some potential but overall has underperformed significantly. Traded away our 2nd round pick.

2003 - RFC traded away 1st round pick. Took Alex Gilmore as our only pick in the 2nd round. Never played a senior game and only spent 2 years on the Senior LIst at RFC.

2004 - 4 First round picks - Brett Deledio - Has performed well and should further develop. Hard to miss though with the first pick.
Richard Tambling - Has disappointed to date for pick number 4. Question marks over whether he will develop into the player we were hoping he would become.
Danny Meyer - Shown nothing at all to date and must be close to being delisted.
Adam Pattison - Shown enough for a young big man in 3 years to warrant giving him more time. Will hopefully develop into a key big man over the next 3 years.

Dean Polo - 2nd round pick - Very good first year for RFC and struggled with injury in year 2. Shown enough to suggest he will further develop and could become a good long term player for RFC.

2005 - Jarrard Oakley Nicholls - Has shown nothing to me whatsoever in 2 years to suggest that he is a worthy 1st round pick. Disposal and decision making seems very suspect. Needs to show rapid improvement over the next 12 months or could be an early exit from RFC.

Cleve Hughes - Has shown some talent in glimpses although obviously has big question marks given the fact that he was dropped from Coburg at the end of the season. Could be headed along the same path as JON.

2006 - Jack Riewoldt - Shown enough in his first year to suggest he has a future.

Shane Edwards - Similar to Riewoldt has shown good signs in his first year.

Overall our 1st and 2nd round picks over the last 10 years have been disastrous. It is little wonder that we have languished down the bottom of the ladder given the minimal output that we have received from our 1st and 2nd round picks in this time and the fact that we have often traded these picks away.

Good job. Just some very poor judgement none more than in the cases of Rodan and JON. Caro is right.
 
Caro has a great recent track record too. Wrote off Bomber and the Cats unmercifully and gave Laidley/Kangaroos a shocking time.

Expect a great 2008 for RFC based on her recent form :D
 
grumpytiger said:
No one even close to winning a brownlow. And sure, a brownlow is not a measure of team success, but who have we had who's been good enough to even come close?

Rioli missed by 1 vote in '83. :'(
 
gustiger12 said:
Caro can be critical all she likes.

When she offers some answers then I will listen.

She is a journalist who gets paid to be controversial and like most journalist can alway point our what is wrong, but wouldh't have a clue what the solution is.

How can someone who has never played the game have any credibility in the real word.

As they say talk is cheap.

Now that's arrogance!
 
Freezer said:
grumpytiger said:
No one even close to winning a brownlow. And sure, a brownlow is not a measure of team success, but who have we had who's been good enough to even come close?

Rioli missed by 1 vote in '83. :'(
What a champion he was too. Norm Smith winner in 1982 as well.

The General finished 5th in the same year.

Not a bad top 7:-

Ross Glendinning 24
Magical Maurice Ravioli 23
Simon Madden 22
Gary Dempsey 17
Mark Lee 16
Terry Daniher 15
Terry Wallace 15
 
Hayfever said:
Freezer said:
grumpytiger said:
No one even close to winning a brownlow. And sure, a brownlow is not a measure of team success, but who have we had who's been good enough to even come close?

Rioli missed by 1 vote in '83. :'(
What a champion he was too. Norm Smith winner in 1982 as well.

The General finished 5th in the same year.

Not a bad top 7:-

Ross Glendinning 24
Magical Maurice Ravioli 23
Simon Madden 22
Gary Dempsey 17
Mark Lee 16
Terry Daniher 15
Terry Wallace 15

And only 2 'midfielders' in Rioli and Wallace. A bit different to current voting trends.
 
jb03 said:
Redford said:
Poor retort. Vague, imprecise (haw ?) and lacking substance.

Please re-submit for further evaluation Junior Burger.
Typical Redford argument tactic, dismissing the other posters response without thought, logic and commonsense.

No wonder Dean3 left and never came back.

Its not a "tactic" its just that I find that it saves heaps of time where your posts are concerned. I cant be wasting time on copious long-winded exchanges like you have with mb64.

So far youve nominated Martin Flannagan (a general interest writer) and Trevor Grant (a golf writer with a 26 handicap at Melton GC) as being better journos. Right.
 
gustiger12 said:
Caro can be critical all she likes.

When she offers some answers then I will listen.

She is a journalist who gets paid to be controversial and like most journalist can alway point our what is wrong, but wouldh't have a clue what the solution is.

How can someone who has never played the game have any credibility in the real word.

As they say talk is cheap.

I don't mind her being critical of Miller, I don't want to get rid of him but he certainly deserves to have the heat kept on him. She did go a bit too far pushing the barrow about how the players were affect by Wallace's 2011 comments but then again it still wouldn't surprise me if she was right and some were put offside.

As for credibility without playing this is exactly why she doesn't write about the playing side of things.

And offering solutions, that isn't a journalists role, you need to be closer to the operations of the club to offer detailed solutions.
 
Redford said:
jb03 said:
Redford said:
Poor retort. Vague, imprecise (haw ?) and lacking substance.

Please re-submit for further evaluation Junior Burger.
Typical Redford argument tactic, dismissing the other posters response without thought, logic and commonsense.

No wonder Dean3 left and never came back.

Its not a "tactic" its just that I find that it saves heaps of time where your posts are concerned. I cant be wasting time on copious long-winded exchanges like you have with mb64.

So far youve nominated Martin Flannagan (a general interest writer) and Trevor Grant (a golf writer with a 26 handicap at Melton GC) as being better journos. Right.

Mark Robinson; did you see in the HUN yesterday his incisive article on how Bomber Thompson was still likely to coach the Bombers. Astoundingly accurate was Robbo.

FWIW, I also rate Stephen Reilly and Martin Blake from the Age and Scott Gullan from the HUN. Greg Denham even has more insight than Caro.

Did you see Caro on the last episode of FC, telling everyone that Edwards mark would be in hot contention for Mark of The Year in 2008. Incisive.
 
Cleve Hughes needs to do what Troy Simmonds did 2 pre seasons ago and just work his ass off!