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Casey snubs Macek

Remember Tommy said:
Do you want me to fall in line with your views like an unthinking left wing rebel. I thought this was a discussion forum and its OK to disagree.


Haha I've never told others what to think or asked them for pledges. It is a discussion forum and it's fine to disagree. You however post exactly the way you accuse me of. Who exactly was it pushing others for public statements to say what you want and think?.... ;D

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :-X
 
LMFAO, I haven't been here for a few days and I see Teflon and Remember Tommy are still baiting us with their 'ha ha .. we won, you lost, you are just like Latham, blah, blah, blah ..."

They post childish gloating and then sit back and wait for the inevitable response, after which they attack us for being biased coz we wont give blind support for a man who has alientated the entire club and almost sent us broke.

Like Ghost, I can only judge CC on what he has done so far, therefore I am not happy with the result. I'll wait and see what happens over the next 12 months. If he can turn around the key areas he has failed in then I will be the first to write to the Pope and ask for his canonisation.

I know you dismiss 42% as insignificant but this figure represents and enourmous amount of people who voted for change. We accept the decision of our fellow members but dont have to like it. We will unite around the RFC but will wait to see if CC's new team can right the ship. Even John Howard realises that only half of the country votes for him, that means half don't. If he were to stick it up those that didn't vote for him, he'd never get re-elected.

One final point, just because we respond to your childish jibes Tef and RT, doesn't mean we won't unite and we eat our own. It is actually brainless ramblings like your own which gives us the bad name in the media, not the considered and mature responces of most PRE enders (from both camps).
 
I think we need to change the topic of this thread to:
"Macek lovers I want to hear a response."   ;D
 
Ghost Who Walks said:
RU

I was saying I will wait and see before proclaiming how wonderful things are and what an amazing metamorphosis that has occurred with CC.

Agreed.  As i stated in my previous post "time will reveal all"! All i'm trying to convey is that an argument tends to loose validity if it is presented in a less than balanced fashion.

Ghost Who Walks said:
All I am going by is Casey's track record, your saying I am focusing on the negatives, then show me the positives and by that I do not mean the following:

a) 1 Session of flesh pressing [after 5 years]
b) Terry Wallace or Greg Miller
c) Financial Plan approved by the AFL

because as far as I am concerned these are not positives, these are business decisions [b and c].

Your point a) is certainly a positive...despite the way you dress it up! At this juncture, it would seem that "right action" is following "right words"....i for one will acknowledge this as a good thing!

Ghost Who Walks said:
I want positive demonstrations of where the average supporter is treated with respect and courtesy, after all it is "YOUR" [Supporter] money that is the life blood of the team.

a) Memberships
b) Gate receipts
c) Miscellaneous Purchases (Apparel etc.)

Agree with the sentiment. However, i also think that cc's willingness to talk to grassroot supporters is a "positive demonstration" that he has acknowledged past errors and is at least willing to correct them.

Ghost Who Walks said:
As for speeches by politicians and promises, I will quote this;
John Howard "We will NEVER have a GST"
John Howard "It was non CORE promise"

I do not put any faith in politician's promises, all I was saying that show me the actions before proclaiming we are in a brave new world.

Once again...agreed. Only problem is that you need to at least acknowledge the right "action" when it occurs. Not simply dismiss it with a note of scepticism and sarcasm.

One question for you Ghost...judging by your remarks about little Johnny i assume you voted labour? If so, would you then be inclined to relinquish your Australian citizenship, reject any sense of national pride, or surrender your Australian way of life........all because labour lost the election? Mmm....i think not!

Ghost Who Walks said:
RU, you can be as critical of MY opinions as you like, but I will still post them.

I am STILL A RICHMOND SUPPORTER and I am entitled to express my opinions!!!!!

No need to shout. ;) The diversity that exists in the world makes it beautiful. PRE is interesting and attractive because different people from all walks of life are able to express their opinion on all things yellow and black. I welcome everyone's opinions....just choose not to accept those that lack balance or substance.    

Ghost Who Walks said:
No amount of bombast by you saying "58% of supporters have voted for CC", so we should all shut up!

What about the disaffected 42% that want to see real change not just "MINDLESS rhetoric"

This is absolute nonsense! Nowhere have i suggested that anyone should "should shut up". As for the 42% that want to see real change not just "MINDLESS rhetoric"....well, i think this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black!  

Anyway, i think it may perhaps be time for us all to move on and concetrate on 2005.
 
Remember tommy, spot on son! IF you don't fall in line with the left wing dogma, you will be attacked or called a troll or moron.
I clearly remember a thread being posted saying that posts were not to be personal attacks. Perhaps Rosy would care to re-visit and try and implement the advice!

I would say being called a moron or troll is personal. Perhaps I will just agree with all things anti-rich and left wing, then I will be ok.

Talk about sore losers!
 
Remember Tommy said:
rosy23 said:

Where have I been anti CC.

You've criticised and singled me out since you joined PRE and you expect me to agree to some airy fairy pledge just because you request it.

Rosy,

Have I hit a nerve. I'm terribly sorry if I disagree with the majority of what you say on the "off field site". Do you want me to fall in line with your views like an unthinking left wing rebel. I thought this was a discussion forum and its OK to disagree. If you feel I'm selecting you out, question yourself, whether it's got anything to do with your biased ownership of this site on the "election" issue and the fact that you post 10 to 1 more posts than the average contributor. You put yourself up for criticism and you should expect it, and probably enjoy it.  You have been the figurehead of the alts campaign throughout the last few months on this forum and since the election result you ask me this question. " Where have I been anti CC". Show me one post where you have called for support of the newly elected president and I will lay off. I maintain my democratic right to disagree with you. I have never criticised you personally, but you seem to have turned our relationship into a personal one for all to hear. I do not understand this attitude.

Tommy,
I would have thought that your reference to 'unthinking left wing rebel', a position you infer is taken by Rosy, together with your reference to her 'biased ownership of this site', would both be seen by most p r enders as constituting personal criticism of Rosy, which of course you then go on and deny??

My own experience suggests to me at least, that you are wrong in regard to both of these observations.

I was uncertain which side I would support, up until Miller joined the Casey ticket.To that point in time Casey's failure to maintain the support of his fellow directors coupled with the Clubs financial problems persuaded me that Casey's time had come.Equally however I wasn't convinced that Schwab and Welsh were any better as they had both quit in circumstances which didn't convince me that such a course was in the best interests of members.

Then Schwab bought in his white knight Macek,which looked ok until Casey trumped them with Miller.

While I posted at the time that I hoped Greg would stand as an independant,there is no doubt in my own mind that getting Miller's support was the crucial point in the election.

The point of all of this is that in my opinion, throughout the election, Rosy dealt with my contrary opinions and pro Miller posts, in a fair and entirely professional manner.She didn't allow her own preferences to interfere and she only stepped in when the observations made by some posters became abusive.

Finally, I think the problem you have is that because you lack objectivity yourself, you have difficulty identifying it in others.
 
swoop said:
My oh my! What a veritable typhoon in a teacup!

If Charles wanted to ask his question so badly he (and every other member who had a question) should have been up at the microphone ready to speak in his turn (or can't we manage to form an orderly queue) as soon as questions were allowed. That way, all questions from the floor could be easily recognised, rather than "spotting" a hand waving from any corner of the room. It was packed and I can see how easy it would be to miss a wave from the crowd when on the stage and in the glare of the spotlights.

You could well be right, but in every other Richmond AGM I have attended (since the late 1970's) the protocol has been to respectfully wait in your seat while someone asks their question, and then raise a hand once they have finished.

That gives the people asking their questions "a fair go", without having other people either queueing up behind them or waiting impatiently at the other microphone.

Now, if people try and follow that protocol - which has worked well for the last 20 years or so - then I don't think it is reasonable to criticise them if it isn't followed by those up on the stage.
 
Teflon & Tommy,

I am as far from left wing as you could imagine. Please explain how supporting change at the RFC makes any of us left wing and anti rich? Macek's alt board was stacked with as many wealthy entrepreneurs as was Casey's.

Maybe if Casey had done a better job over the last 5 years we'd actually be rich rather than insolvent.

What a load of *smile*, if your arguments weren't so weak I'd laugh.
 
i for one have not seen any individual being called troll or moron. but if individuals are worried about it perhaps the shoe fits and they need to take a long hard look at themselves.
 
teflon said:
Remember tommy, spot on son! IF you don't fall in line with the left wing dogma, you will be attacked or called a troll or moron.

I would say being called a moron or troll is personal. Perhaps I will just agree with all things anti-rich and left wing, then I will be ok.

Silly question :D - when did the alternative ticket become the left wing?!!!

I have read all the posts on this thread and none of them have convinced me either way whether Casey snubbed Macek or not. And lets be honest we will never really know. If he did, well, that is just plain idiotic and bad form, if he didn't then I guess it could be viewed as an honest mistake. I don't know. None of us do, given the number of differing accounts. And the opinions here seem to be swayed according to which way you voted, which I guess is fine but Richmond still has plenty of real problems, and this really doesn't seem like one of them.
Just my opinion  ;D !!!
 
This is crazy, Tiger people fighting Tiger people, its no wonder more Tiger fans browse this site than post. Yes Rosy, I know guilty of this as well, so I appologise, and I'll try not to do it agian.

The truth of the matter is that Charles and everbody else at the AGM had every opportunity to ask a question with notice. All they needed to do was hand their question along with their name and membership number to any of the Club officials there on the night, and everybody would have spoken to at least one - afterall you did need to register before entering the room.
 
Schade said:
..........
afterall you did need to register before entering the room.

The club's Articles specifically state that only Members will be allowed into any club meeting, there were people in the venue who most likely were not members:

6.2 The above mentioned General Meeting shall be and is herein called the Annual General Meeting, and all other Meetings of the Ordinary Members called as provided in Article 6.4 hereafter shall be and are herein called Extraordinary General Meetings. No person other than a member of the Club able to produce evidence of membership prior to admission, may be admitted to an Annual General Meeting or Extraordinary General Meeting of the Club.
 
Is it just me or does this whole argument seem a little redundant?
No-one seems to know for sure what happened between Casey and Macek at the AGM therefore everything is just an opinion and speculation which probably coincides with whichever way you voted. Lets move on, I mean Casey won and that really should be that. For what its worth.
 
David C said:
there were people in the venue who most likely were not members

Most likely? WTF?!
Do you have some sort of super spidey/tigey-sense?
Or maybe those x-ray vision glasses to let you look in peoples wallets to see their membership cards or something?

Maybe we should have put you on the front door to save people signing in. You could just take an educated guess on their membership status, it would save a *smile* load of time
 
MCG said:
Talking to my son yesterday who was at the meeting and who, like me, voted for the alternate ticket he said it definitely was not a snub. He didn't even know that it was Macek who was trying to ask the question, but thought that Case tried to stop proceedings so he could be heard but it was just too late and he gave a shrug of apology. Doesn't make me like Casey any more but I think this has been blown out of all proportions.

Finally a non-biased, balanced account of what happened. Thanks MCG.