change your mind on Dimma if we lose?

[tigertime2]

One good measure of success may be whether the team is better at the end than the start of the coaches reign. I know who has the better record on that basis.

I think you may be right - however the facts say it is even at this point with Hardwick just in front. With the budget Dimma has we would want to be twice as good as Wallet at the end of next year to get a good return on our investment.

 

[Tigersub]

I think you may be right - however the facts say it is even at this point with Hardwick just in front. With the budget Dimma has we would want to be twice as good as Wallet at the end of next year to get a good return on our investment.

Can you give us the figures in regards to budget on this. I'd be interested to know TT.

 

[snaps truly]

Not the point.

Do you think he was positioned in the backline, or was just chasing the ball Jukes, I don't think I saw him down there for long

 

[JR8]

Have to agree it's his most important game as coach to date

Well I guess he passed with flying colours then binman!

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Do you think he was positioned in the backline, or was just chasing the ball Jukes, I don't think I saw him down there for long

Looked like he was moved down there, was only there 5-7 minutes but I don't ever want to see him down in the backline ever.

 

[bowden4president]

We easily beat a young Port side.....next week we will beat a Melbourne side that is having a year from hell.... we will be 5-3

Terry Wallace Coaching Record

2005 Richmond Tigers 22 10 12 0 45.5%
2006 Richmond Tigers 22 11 11 0 50.0%
2007 Richmond Tigers 22 3 18 1 13.6%
2008 Richmond Tigers 22 11 10 1 50.0%
2009 Richmond Tigers 11 2 9 0 18.2%


Damien Hardwick Coaching Record

2010 Richmond Tigers 22 6 16 0 27.3%
2011 Richmond Tigers 22 8 13 1 36.4%
2012 Richmond Tigers 23 10 11 2 43.5%
2013 Richmond Tigers 6 3 3 0 50.0%

Not much difference in the stats and Hardwick has 10 times the off field support. The next 9-12 weeks will say a lot about this rebuild - I am always excited about a tiger win but I will keep my feet firmly planted on the ground.

Dare I say, the graph's moving in the right direction.. eep

 

[JR8]

So much rubbish written on this thread.

 

[billyb#40]

Looked like he was moved down there, was only there 5-7 minutes but I don't ever want to see him down in the backline ever.

Pushing numbers back to stop a run is what's been demanded by Walls etc
Then it's criticized here when Dimma or the players do it
It's tough being a Tiger but this is the start of a more successful era.

 

[Feeling Tigerish]

We did well to win, however, port applied very little pressure on us when we had the ball. That never happens against decent sides. We still need to improve a lot in this area.

Maybe I over reacted re my comments about getting rid of hardwick and getting roos, I just get very upset when we lose and need to blame someone or something. My apologies

Still not convinced on dimma, but will save myself from making outlandish statements in the future in regards to sacking him.

 

[SfB_AkA._DeLiCiOuS]

Pushing numbers back to stop a run is what's been demanded by Walls etc
Then it's criticized here when Dimma or the players do it
It's tough being a Tiger but this is the start of a more successful era.

We were up by 6 goals at the time, it didn't look to me like we were flooding numbers back....the backline looked pretty open to me.

 

[Tigers of Old]

We easily beat a young Port side.....next week we will beat a Melbourne side that is having a year from hell.... we will be 5-3

Terry Wallace Coaching Record

2005 Richmond Tigers 22 10 12 0 45.5%
2006 Richmond Tigers 22 11 11 0 50.0%
2007 Richmond Tigers 22 3 18 1 13.6%
2008 Richmond Tigers 22 11 10 1 50.0%
2009 Richmond Tigers 11 2 9 0 18.2%


Damien Hardwick Coaching Record

2010 Richmond Tigers 22 6 16 0 27.3%
2011 Richmond Tigers 22 8 13 1 36.4%
2012 Richmond Tigers 23 10 11 2 43.5%
2013 Richmond Tigers 6 3 3 0 50.0%

Not much difference in the stats and Hardwick has 10 times the off field support. The next 9-12 weeks will say a lot about this rebuild - I am always excited about a tiger win but I will keep my feet firmly planted on the ground.

FWIW may be worth mentioning Hardwick virtually rebuilt the team from scratch after the Wallet debacle. The graph is heading in the right direction.

 

[Ruthless Tigers ?]

Great to see commonsense discussion about things moving i the right direction in terms of "the graph". Dimma has been part of not only an on-field rebuild but also off field as well. We went from being a great team, despite losing 1982, to becoming a rabble because we turned on our own. We sacked coaches, chased short term success which turned into long term failure, we sacked coaches midterm and we deserved the comments about being the worst performed team in the AFL, we deserved to be laughed at.
We were never going to succeed. Nobody wanted to coach us, who would want to after we sacked Bourke, Bartlett, Northey, Geischen, and Walls. our job was advertised and we chose the guy who was the assistant to a collingwood coach the year they won the wooden spoon. We were a joke....Frawley started well...became a bumbling dud....then we went for a high profile coach...we got Wallet....he came with greg Miller....what were we thinking.....those decisions equal no plan, no future, no hope. THEN he was sacked....another make shift coach but then Benny Gale set a plan in motion and now we have Hardwick...a man with a history of success as a player and a budding coach....he showed us where we failed....he told us the truth...he cut deep and we hurt. Slowly things have improved....so now as things are starting to improve and things are building some people who know it all want to set us back again. Hardwick is the man to set us back on path. Hardwick may not take us to a premiership immediately BUT because of his efforts next time around we will see more quality people wanting to join us because of his hard work, his vision for what a strong club looks like and the players he has drawn to the club.

Yes success will come as we sack another coach, rubbish our brand and step back again to another rebuild.....In Dimma I trust!

 

[Sintiger]

I think you may be right - however the facts say it is even at this point with Hardwick just in front. With the budget Dimma has we would want to be twice as good as Wallet at the end of next year to get a good return on our investment.

You are using numbers but I am making a much more subjective judgement.

When Wallace took over we were poor, when he left we were worse than poor. When Dimma started we were rock bottom. Compare that to where we are now.

I am not making any point apart from that making comparisons purely on win-loss ratios is a very superficial way of judging a Coach.

 

[Ruthless Tigers ?]

You are using numbers but I am making a much more subjective judgement.

When Wallace took over we were poor, when he left we were worse than poor. When Dimma started we were rock bottom. Compare that to where we are now.

I am not making any point apart from that making comparisons purely on win-loss ratios is a very superficial way of judging a Coach.

:clap

 

[TigerMoz]

i said before the start of last year that he should not have been given a 2 year extension, only 1 (or 1 year with a 1-2 year option that is activated if we make finals in 2013).

i said before the start of this season that barring a shocking run with injury, dimma has to go if we don't make finals. coaches do not deserve to keep their job if they cannot take a team to the finals after 4 years.

It's a good thing that you are not the one advising the powers that be then Ian.

The comments you make sound like typical panic merchant mediocrity that has been the reason we got in the rut in the first place.

 

[bowden4president]

Question now for those who have written him off, Change your mind?.....

Will you change your mind on Dimma now we won?

Dare I say, the graph's moving in the right direction.. eep

FWIW may be worth mentioning Hardwick virtually rebuilt the team from scratch after the Wallet debacle. The graph is heading in the right direction.

I feel like we might just be on the same page on this issue ;D I guess great minds think alike.......

 

[Ruthless Tigers ?]

It's a good thing that you are not the one advising the powers that be then Ian.

The comments you make sound like typical panic merchant mediocrity that has been the reason we got in the rut in the first place.

Well said! We do not need this type of mediocrity damaging our club. We do not need the divisive attitude which fuels scare mongering.
Dimma was given an extension because the board obviously believe in the path we are on, share the vision and know that value of stability will bring long term success.
Nobody at Richmond save for a few here want to see a repeat of the 80's, 90's and early 00's when we were struggling, we were broke, we were a basket case.

 

[TigerMoz]

Well said! We do not need this type of mediocrity damaging our club. We do not need the divisive attitude which fuels scare mongering.
Dimma was given an extension because the board obviously believe in the path we are on, share the vision and know that value of stability will bring long term success.
Nobody at Richmond save for a few here want to see a repeat of the 80's, 90's and early 00's when we were struggling, we were broke, we were a basket case.

Let's also not forget that his re-signing went a long way to get our current fill-in skipper to sign for 5 years at a very reasonable price (500k x 5). Many clubs would pay well over that for him tomorrow.

We should also pay homage to who Dimma has brought in as his assistants. When Choco came in a few around here suggested that he will be our next coach.

I honestly can't believe how narrow minded some people really are. "How clever of the club to have the next coach waiting when Dimma fails"

What's next? Sack Jake King :rofl

 

[Tigers of Old]

I feel like we might just be on the same page on this issue ;D I guess great minds think alike.......

:hihi 8-

 

[tigertime2]

You are using numbers but I am making a much more subjective judgement.

When Wallace took over we were poor, when he left we were worse than poor. When Dimma started we were rock bottom. Compare that to where we are now.

I am not making any point apart from that making comparisons purely on win-loss ratios is a very superficial way of judging a Coach.

I am not Judging anyone, I dislike the Frawley-Wallace era - but up until now we have not been more successful under Hardwick - not being critical of the guy at all and I agree it is too early to make the call - I agree some of the comments on this thread calling for his sacking are over the top, I am not saying that at all. I would think based on revealed current form this year and last year it would require significant improvement for this Tiger squad to be a top 4 side over the next 3-4 years.