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change your mind on Dimma if we lose?

tigertime2 said:
I am not Judging anyone, I dislike the Frawley-Wallace era - but up until now we have not been more successful under Hardwick
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Not sure how you can really believe that. In Wallet's second season he went significantly backwards and sold us out to a point by grabbing players like Jordan McMahon. He took us up and down the ladder like a yo-yo in a period of uncompromised drafts.

Dimma has had to go backwards to go forwards and the club actually gave him less time than Wallet to prove something. Despite all this he has consistently taken us up the winners list and our player squad looks good for the future. On these points he can only be deemed as much more successful than Wallet.

tigertime2 said:
- not being critical of the guy at all and I agree it is too early to make the call - I agree some of the comments on this thread calling for his sacking are over the top, I am not saying that at all. I would think based on revealed current form this year and last year it would require significant improvement for this Tiger squad to be a top 4 side over the next 3-4 years.
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Absolutely and the hard work starts now in many ways. But I feel much more confident with the processes now compared to before (not all Wallet's fault either) and with our current coaches getting us there. I am actually happy that we are taking a bit of time for this to eventuate because it will likely last this time.
 
Tigermad2005 said:
If Melb beat us I would sack him on the spot.
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We could only lose if we don't turn up. Essendon lost to them last year under similar circumstances. Hard to see it happening though.
 
If we found a way to lose it would be more about mental fragility than anything else. Our usual plan A gameplan will be enough against this rabble.
 
Look we only beat port last week. The jury is still out on his match day coaching to take us up a level. To be honest he gets owned by the decent coaches.
 
tigertime2 said:
I would think based on revealed current form this year and last year it would require significant improvement for this Tiger squad to be a top 4 side over the next 3-4 years.
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And why wouldn't you expect this significant improvement? I expect us to be aiming for that position in the next 2 years not in 3-4.

I cannot think of many players that will be in our best 22 in 2014/2015/2016 that will not have made significant improvement.

Regulars in Cotchin/Martin/Vickery/Rance/Grimes/Conca/Ellis/Morris/Grigg/Batchelor/Edwards & Vlastuin are all capable of significant improvement. The scope for improvement in most of this group is huge.

I'd expect Deledio/Reiwoldt/Foley/Chaplin/Knights/Houli/King/Jackson/McGuane to be at least performing at the same level if not better than current form.

I'd expect at least a couple of guys from the Griffiths/Astbury/Elton/Dea/Arnot/Helbig/O'Hanlon group to have forced their way into our best 22.

The biggest issue is definitely the ruck but Maric & Stephenson are in some ways young in ruck terms, but it does remain our biggest risk area.

Unfortunately loyal servants in Newman/Tuck will not be part of this Top 4 push but hopefully we can snare another piece of the puzzle through free agency.

Does Dimma need to improve match day tactics - no doubt. But he's only now getting the right puppets to enable him to pull some strings.

Off-field all the pieces are being put in place for us to consolidate our position as a powerhouse club.

If you do not think we are on the right track you are watching a different train IMO.
 
Soda said:
And why wouldn't you expect this significant improvement? I expect us to be aiming for that position in the next 2 years not in 3-4.

I cannot think of many players that will be in our best 22 in 2014/2015/2016 that will not have made significant improvement.

Regulars in Cotchin/Martin/Vickery/Rance/Grimes/Conca/Ellis/Morris/Grigg/Batchelor/Edwards & Vlastuin are all capable of significant improvement. The scope for improvement in most of this group is huge.

I'd expect Deledio/Reiwoldt/Foley/Chaplin/Knights/Houli/King/Jackson/McGuane to be at least performing at the same level if not better than current form.

I'd expect at least a couple of guys from the Griffiths/Astbury/Elton/Dea/Arnot/Helbig/O'Hanlon group to have forced their way into our best 22.

The biggest issue is definitely the ruck but Maric & Stephenson are in some ways young in ruck terms, but it does remain our biggest risk area.

Unfortunately loyal servants in Newman/Tuck will not be part of this Top 4 push but hopefully we can snare another piece of the puzzle through free agency.

Does Dimma need to improve match day tactics - no doubt. But he's only now getting the right puppets to enable him to pull some strings.

Off-field all the pieces are being put in place for us to consolidate our position as a powerhouse club.

If you do not think we are on the right track you are watching a different train IMO.
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Very well said!
 
tigerdave said:
Very well said!
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Ditto.

Some mightn't quite make it but we'll hopefully draft to improve our list. We have the best resources in place now to help ensure that happens.

The future is bright.
 
List building under Beavis has overall been pretty good, so that puts him head and shoulders in front of any coach we have had in recent memory. Development has also generally been pretty decent as well, as has game day selections.

My only misgivings with him is that I still don't think he is a very good match-day coach. As has been mentioned many times, he lacks ability to change plans mid game. Moreover he still hasn't got the lads anywhere near good enough at playing tempo footy within quarters and/or the ability to shutdown oppositions when they get a run on.

Regardless of the result from here on in I'm happy for him to see out this season at least but at some stage post season there should be serious review by the club of his gameday coaching abilities. It seems to me we have finally almost assembled a list capable of playing finals. It would be shame to squander a good list on someone who can't quite cut it when the heat is on. I'm not saying he definitely isn't the man to coach into the future, after all he is still reasonably inexperienced, but he really has to star improving in this regard in my view.
 
Dimma can learn the match day cunnings. His emphasis on head-size at the recruiting table is inspired. When Francis comes into his office with a kid, first thing Dimma asks is "does he have a good head on his shoulders?". Conca, Ellis, Love Machine are vindicating Dimmas hunch on a correlation between head size and ready-to-go ability. The AIS is starting to take notice I heard. :clap
 
GEDS1 said:
Look we only beat port last week. The jury is still out on his match day coaching to take us up a level. To be honest he gets owned by the decent coaches.
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Not Clarkson
 
GEDS1 said:
Look we only beat port last week. The jury is still out on his match day coaching to take us up a level. To be honest he gets owned by the decent coaches.
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Really? Freo supporters were complaining Lyon was out-coached against us.
 
ive said this before, but quite a few posters go on about how many ordinary players we still have, but then also reckon Hardwick cant coach. i would think that combination would put us down with the dees doggies etc rather than currently in the 8, improving every year, and competing with every team we play.

many of the same posters who also reckon he lacks a plan b fail to notice matchups we do make, and also cant actually describe our plan a.
 
Happy with Dimna, but like to see more kids/player turnover. I look at other top clubs and they are not afraid to blood pkayers. The other thing I'd love to know is, do they work on vision/choosing the right option when they uave the ball in hand? I just get frustrated when time and time again we don't see the free man inside our attacking 50.
 
TimTamMan said:
Happy with Dimna, but like to see more kids/player turnover. I look at other top clubs and they are not afraid to blood pkayers.
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Indeed, the defining aspect of Dimma's time is how we haven't blooded any players since the Wallace era ???
 
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