it seems to me that most people are losing sight of where we are at as a club as far as development goes. we are not a final 8 side yet alone a final 4 one.anyway what possible benefit does a side finishing 8th get? finals experience what a joke 2 mediocre sides playing a pretend final.why is it people want to play hacks at the expense of our kids development.this yr and next should be about playing as many kids as possible without losing structure.after all this is only yr 2 in a 5yr plan these are development yrs. the way people are carrying on one would think we dont need to draft any more decent players we have a premiership in the making. well imo we still have plenty of players to turn over and there are plenty who can be dropped each week,imo its more important to keep the numbers of kids we are playing each week at a high number around 7 to 10. than it is to win games with a team full of duds. kidslike foley and white need to be given a decent go in foleys case he has already showed with limited oportunity that he is a better option than most of the older duds. cmon people dont lose sight of the big picture we have to continue to play heaps of kids.
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Changes against the Kangaroos.
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B: Raines, Gaspar, Newman
HB: Johnson, Kellaway, J.Bowden
C: Hyde, Coughlan, Delidio
HF: Pettifer, Pattison, Tambling
F: P.Bowden, Schulz, Brown
FOLL: Simmonds, Foley, Tuck
I/C: Hall, Polo, Knobel, Tivendale
In: Schulz, Brown, Delidio
out: Stafford, Meyer, White
Can't see many more changes than that happening.
As for what you're saying Claw, I'd agree. Although I think we're a better side and more of a chance with the kids in. If you really want to miss the finals and get a decent draft pick, keep staff in the line up, bring Chaffey in for white, meyer or polo, and maybe Krak in for Foley. That'd get you your high draft pick :hihi
You'd still get Raines, Lids, Pattison, Tambling, plus more chance of us not finishing 8th.
I'd like to see though (With what we have available at the moment):
B: Raines, Gaspar, Newman
HB: J Bowden, Schulz, Kellaway
C: Tambling, Coughlan, Hyde
HF: Pettifer, Pattison, Johnson
F: Brown, Hughes, Meyer
R Simmonds, Foley, Tuck
Int: Knoble, Polo, P Bowden, White
Give lids one more week to get over the knee. Find out if Schulz can cut it at CHB, the initiation starts now. Otherwise, now we've got some older bodies back, put patto back at the burgers, move Schulz to CHF, kellway to CHB, Newman to HBF and then McGuane to stand next to Gaspar and pick his brain on how to defend the players at this level. Gas might have lost his quickness, he might have below average disposal, but he knows how to defend.
HB: Johnson, Kellaway, J.Bowden
C: Hyde, Coughlan, Delidio
HF: Pettifer, Pattison, Tambling
F: P.Bowden, Schulz, Brown
FOLL: Simmonds, Foley, Tuck
I/C: Hall, Polo, Knobel, Tivendale
In: Schulz, Brown, Delidio
out: Stafford, Meyer, White
Can't see many more changes than that happening.
As for what you're saying Claw, I'd agree. Although I think we're a better side and more of a chance with the kids in. If you really want to miss the finals and get a decent draft pick, keep staff in the line up, bring Chaffey in for white, meyer or polo, and maybe Krak in for Foley. That'd get you your high draft pick :hihi
You'd still get Raines, Lids, Pattison, Tambling, plus more chance of us not finishing 8th.
I'd like to see though (With what we have available at the moment):
B: Raines, Gaspar, Newman
HB: J Bowden, Schulz, Kellaway
C: Tambling, Coughlan, Hyde
HF: Pettifer, Pattison, Johnson
F: Brown, Hughes, Meyer
R Simmonds, Foley, Tuck
Int: Knoble, Polo, P Bowden, White
Give lids one more week to get over the knee. Find out if Schulz can cut it at CHB, the initiation starts now. Otherwise, now we've got some older bodies back, put patto back at the burgers, move Schulz to CHF, kellway to CHB, Newman to HBF and then McGuane to stand next to Gaspar and pick his brain on how to defend the players at this level. Gas might have lost his quickness, he might have below average disposal, but he knows how to defend.
mr17 said:
Someone asked that earlier on this thread.
Thinking is that when Roach had his first game, before he got knucked, he really had clicked. He was only on the ground for about 23 minutes, but in that time the stats indicate that he had clicked as a senior footballer.
With that in mind, he played his return game for Coburg last week and picked up, I think, 15 possies - 4 kicks & 11 h'balls.
Ref: Coburg thread
http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=22143.75
Reply #78, indicates this.
There were other impressive results too.
Rodan with his 23 possies & a goal,
Jackson with his 24 possies,
Schulz with his 15 possies, 9 marks & 4 goals,
Humm with 16 possies, and
Can Howat with 33 possies, 5 marks, 7 tackles & a goal.
If there was an opportunity to slot Cam Howat into the side, it would seem that now would be the time. Unfortunately, he is on the rookie list and is therefore prevented from doing so.
As for Roach, if it hadn't been for that 23 minutes earlier in the year, I probably wouldn't have been so conscious of him. But that's that. I look forward to see if those 23 minutes were the real deal, that he has clicked, or whether it was really an aberration.
As for Roach, an emergency this week with a view that if he put in a strong performance again for Coburg then he might come into the side.
His fitness shouldn't be an issue. It was a jaw injury, his running shouldn't have stopped.
Yeah this is a tough one.
I have to admit during those 23 minutes I did think that I was looking at a different Tommy Roach. It hit me quite dramatically, he had lost the timidness, the not quite sure if I belong look that he had sometimes. He would have to be given another chance to establish himself if his form warrants it, that 23 minutes may be just a once off thing or it may be the sign that we have another body to rotate through the midfield.
I think we owe to ourselves to find out during the second half of the year.
I have to admit during those 23 minutes I did think that I was looking at a different Tommy Roach. It hit me quite dramatically, he had lost the timidness, the not quite sure if I belong look that he had sometimes. He would have to be given another chance to establish himself if his form warrants it, that 23 minutes may be just a once off thing or it may be the sign that we have another body to rotate through the midfield.
I think we owe to ourselves to find out during the second half of the year.
the claw said:
Well mate, it's another ordinary year in terms of class for the whole competition. We are in the mix for a final eight berth and it is crucial that in any year we are aiming to make the eight MINIMUM.
Implied is your question is the idea that it's better to finish lower on the ladder unless you are a chance at the Premiership in any given year.
I strongly disagree with this idea. As a club we should be aiming for every honour we can achieve every year. Not because it's strategically valuable but because it's the essence of the club- achievement.
So we haven't been achieving? That's SHAME.
When we do achieve anything, that's GLORY. That's what we're in it for. The good stuff.
the claw said:
I agree with your assessment of the teams playing- "mediocre". The teams not good enough to play in finals are called duds. Mediocre is better than dud.
IMO, given our recent history of failure, we have to make it our primary goal to make the eight. It's crucial.
the claw said:
We want our kids to be blooded in a successful side, not just go out for a run in a new age Fitzroy. Of all the talented youth that was on display in that last year of Fitzroy, few went on. Chris Johnson is a star, maybe a champion in his role and Molloy was a flawed player, traded. Barker (I'm not a fan) has been injury stricken tob be fair to him.
People may say that North Melbourne is the best example of a team playing oldies at the expense of youth and look at their list now. They'd be largely right. But North is a team that has recruited from other clubs poorly as well as at the draft. And they've failed to trade their duds (Petrie is the first name that comes to mind).
Wallace bloods youth in much the same way as Sheedy, rotated through a successful senior side. Not just fed to the wolves so they can turn out like Fitzroy players.
Some people think that Geelong and StKilda are good examples of teams that have rebuilt through long periods of all (humiliated) youth teams. StKilda, in particular, has recruited and played senior duds in order to raise the bar for the youth, so that kids don't just walk into a senior side. And in the case of each team, how do they go in the crunch time in September? Jury out.
If they are going to go on, it's essential that youth forces its way into a successful senior side. Otherwise they turn out peahearts and bludgers, they think it's all too easy, just turn up and get a game.
Our youngsters have had a taste. The youngsters who are good enough will want more and will have to do more to get a game as the full senior list becomes available. Already players like McGuane (nowhere near ready IMO) have had a taste and are back at Coburg with a knowledge of where they have to get to to make it.
Meyer, White, Pattison maybe Foley and Bling will get the same painful reality check soon enough unless they take a step up during their stints in the ones.
And if we pick up another experienced player in the next off season (we are planning too, I believe) it will get harder again for the youngsters to get into the seniors.
And that's as it should be.
Yeah, I agree with what was said about Roach in his 23 minutes. I was impressed as I'd had him on my delist list up until that point. He was a lot bigger than I remembered, and he was really competing with confidence for the ball. I hope Wallace persists with him.
"If they are going to go on, it's essential that youth forces its way into a successful senior side. Otherwise they turn out peahearts and bludgers, they think it's all too easy, just turn up and get a game."
See Pets pre 2005!
Well said Dyer'ere
See Pets pre 2005!
Well said Dyer'ere
My ins would be : Brown,(welcome back ), Deleido and possibly Shultz with maybe the polly wants a Krak
Outs: Staff(not doing enough), Gas man(tough call) and between White(good for the experience) and out of Coles Meyer(i think this kid is going to be something ). I guess it depends on the availability of Krak. Even Patto may need a run in the twos.(tough one too !)
WFT
Outs: Staff(not doing enough), Gas man(tough call) and between White(good for the experience) and out of Coles Meyer(i think this kid is going to be something ). I guess it depends on the availability of Krak. Even Patto may need a run in the twos.(tough one too !)
WFT