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Changes v Crows

TigerMasochist

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. Definite danger game imo.
The way we've been going so far this year, I reckon every game's a danger game. At least until we can get some sort of consistent team structure up and running. Then we might get to see who's got what among the opposition.
 

Smoking Aces

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I don't think our structure actually looks much different.

Lynch for CCJ = like for like downgrade
Ross for Prestia = like for like upgrade
Pickett for Cotchin = Like for like upgrade
Rioli for Bolton = Like for mostly like upgrade
Naish for Caddy = interesting
Astbury for Chol = interesting

If Caddy plays slow winger he's a like for like downgrade. If Chol plays at full back he's a like for like downgrade.

We actually have the same balance of talls and smalls, but we're a bit older, slower and heavier.

The forward line might look exactly the same, but with CCJ instead of Lynch which can't be called a win. Bolton might replace Rioli, but will probably just slot in to the mid and cycle through there.

Our midfield is definitely stronger, though it's slower. Not much different structurally.

The big question marks are what we do with Chol and Caddy. We can structure up identically to previous weeks if we want and Chol sits back. Or we can play Chol forward and shift the balance
Or we could play both Chol and Caddy forward, and really mix it up. I'd do it, but I doubt it will happen.

Either way any structural advantage hinges on Mabior Chol. Let's hope his recent good run at the lower level translates.
No way Chol plays back. He will spend a bit of time on the pine but will push into the ruck j and then forward.

We will predominantly start with Jack and CCJ up forward but at times will also have Chol up there as that third tall.

This is how we set up when both Soldo and Nank were playing.
 
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Carter

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Bolton plays nothing like Rioli. He’s been mostly midfield, and is a major upgrade.

Not sure the changes make us slower? Pickett and Rioli the only outs with any pace? If anything I’d argue improved ground speed. And ball movement.

This is a much better lineup, the midfield improvement is significant and IMO will prove way too good for the crows.

Yep Bolton couldn’t be more different to Rioli. We are banking on more clearances, that’s for sure
 
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MB78

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No way Chol plays back. He will spend a bit of time on the pine but will push into the ruck j and then forward.

We will predominantly start with Jack and CCJ up forward but at times will also have Chol up there as that third tall.

This is how we set up when both Soldo and Nank were playing.
Nank has been getting back more this year than I have seen in other years. Chol and CCJ to do all ruck tap outs forward of centre. While Nank will cover the middle and backline.
 
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Carter

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No way Chol plays back. He will spend a bit of time on the pine but will push into the ruck j and then forward.

We will predominantly start with Jack and CCJ up forward but at times will also have Chol up there as that third tall.

This is how we set up when both Soldo and Nank were playing.

Spot on, significant structural changes
 
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The_Celebrant

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Jeez I like our structure a lot more this week.

If Caddy, Chol, CJ and Jack all provide targets up forward we look shitloads better.

We’re fielding a more classical setup. Dimma and co could be unveiling this year’s ice cream flavour.

Last time I felt so good about the structure was the last half of 2019
With Melbourne, Brisbane and Geelong being amongst this year's benchmark sides, the simple question we must answer is this: what flexible combination of players, tactics and gameplan(s) gives us the best chance to stifle either the Cats, Lions or Dees on any given day, in any given conditions?

Over recent weeks, we've experimented with certain players and structures that emphasise speed and dominance at ground level; now the experiment shifts a little towards greater ruck presence and marking power (potentially).

In two weeks time, as we enter the bye, we'll hopefully have a better idea what that best combination of players, tactics and gameplan(s) could look like.

Discuss.
 
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Carter

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That:s a big assumption you're making. Caddy will play wing, that's where he's played his last few games. Might roll him forward on occassion. We need to cover Astbury in the backline so will be interesting ti see how we restructure. Maybe a different role for Chol. I vaguely remember him being tried there before. I think we'll be sticking to a similar forward line structure height-wise. It"s basically CCJ for Lynch and Bolton for Rioli. The one advantage now is we have genuine backup ruckmen for Nanks.

Caddy might play wing but I think he’s far better suited to a forward pocket
 
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momentai

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Pushing some time for Chols return and not for the first time, a little nervous about what happens next.

Like that he has been playing 1st ruck in the vfl and that X has clearly imposed direction to him about follow up play and putting himself in every possible contest.
Nank loves to ruck but hope Cholly also gets his chance to take on O’Brien and Frampton. Both are bigger and heavier, but tipping Cholly will finally have a match winning day.
 

Carter

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With Melbourne, Brisbane and Geelong being amongst this year's benchmark sides, the simple question we must answer is this: what flexible combination of players, tactics and gameplan(s) gives us the best chance to stifle either the Cats, Lions or Dees on any given day, in any given conditions?

Over recent weeks, we've experimented with certain players and structures that emphasise speed and dominance at ground level; now the experiment shifts a little towards greater ruck presence and marking power (potentially).

In two weeks time, as we enter the bye, we'll hopefully have a better idea what that best combination of players, tactics and gameplan(s) could look like.

Discuss.

Indeed Celebrant.

The key question for Dimma and co is this: how many runners can we sacrifice to the aerial gods without losing our overall pressure?

And if pressure must be lost, can we apply pressure in a more easily defendable part of the ground?
 
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The_Celebrant

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Nank has been getting back more this year than I have seen in other years. Chol and CCJ to do all ruck tap outs forward of centre. While Nank will cover the middle and backline.
Yes. And he reads the play so well, and has such good hands.

Personally, I can't wait to see how Dimma plans to combine - throughout the entire match and across the full length of the ground - the various talents of Nank, Chol and King Kebab.
 
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percyms

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Like the changes but really hope that Caddy plays fwd. And yes I clan see he is probably there to replace Picket on the wing but he is such a dangerous fwd and much much better at it...
 

momentai

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I really can't see Caddy as a winger, forward ok, but winger, no.

So, what we need is someone on the wing. I don't think Chol has the tank but he's pretty good at ground level. Maybe Castagna?

I would like to see Reiwoldt forward with either Chol or CCJ when they are not rucking, when Nank is not rucking and also not on the bench for a rest he can go back.

Bit taller gives us a number of options, will be good to see how well we can utilise this.

DS
Like Castagna on the wing. Next to Balta and Bolton he is probably our quickest. A natural at the chaos kick and likely to have less to worry about in regard to set shots!
 
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The_Celebrant

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If anything I’d argue improved ground speed. And ball movement.
Good point. In fact, all that counts ultimately is fast, effective ball movement.

During bad patches of play in our losses to Dees, Lions, Cats, we were sliced open by fast, effective ball movement. Part of that relates to leg speed, but much of it doesn't.

Some people bang on about Caddy being too slow. Yes, his slower leg speed is relevant at times, but the silmple question is this: can he be given a role that plays to his strengths, and where that role contributes to fast, effective ball movement?

Discuss.
 

kiwitiger

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Crossroads game at 5-5 , have to win ,no ifs buts or maybes

if we lose the feeling its not our year becomes much more of a reality IMO
 
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The_Celebrant

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No way Chol plays back. He will spend a bit of time on the pine but will push into the ruck j and then forward.
Nank will drop back more than usual.

I believe Chol will be used as a fast, leading tall between the arcs, as well as doing some ruck work.

My dream is that Chol develops into a freakish tall utility we can use to create an instant mismatch anywhere between FF and D50.

Discuss.
 
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T-Shirt Tommy

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Problem is midfield are coming back from injury. Might take a little while for Prestia, Cotchin to hit their straps. Adelaide did just beat ladder leaders Melbourne for their only loss of the season and beat Geelong round 1. They're a young side so consistency is an issue but I'm not marking this down as a gimme. Definite danger game imo.

Prestia in particular is always very rusty when coming back from injury.
 

btoz_01

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Indeed Celebrant.

The key question for Dimma and co is this: how many runners can we sacrifice to the aerial gods without losing our overall pressure?

And if pressure must be lost, can we apply pressure in a more easily defendable part of the ground?
Pressure is not rewarded anymore
The holding the ball frees we would get are gone as umps allow the player with the ball an eternity to dispose of it Even if they don’t It’s a ball up
We need as a team to win the contested ball and take the tackler on just like other teams do this season
 
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