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Channel 10 and 7 can get stuffed
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Demetriou released a statement that the AFL have put a line through the poosibility of a night GF. Said Age report had little basis, they hadn't sold fixturing control. Kudos on this one vlad.
Good.
And if Seven and Ten are whingeing that they should get special privileges for paying $780 million, it's time they realised the principle behind bidding for TV rights: your money gets you the rights to broadcast the matches, and prevents your competitor(s) (i.e. Channel Nine) from broadcasting them. That's it. If you can't negiotiate the conditions you want, and you reckon the sum you will be paying is too far over the odds, withdraw your bid. Pay the going rate or go away.
And if Seven and Ten are whingeing that they should get special privileges for paying $780 million, it's time they realised the principle behind bidding for TV rights: your money gets you the rights to broadcast the matches, and prevents your competitor(s) (i.e. Channel Nine) from broadcasting them. That's it. If you can't negiotiate the conditions you want, and you reckon the sum you will be paying is too far over the odds, withdraw your bid. Pay the going rate or go away.
Ready said:
If you isolate 1 of 2 tenderers - where does that leave you ? With only the 1 bidder.
That 1 bidder has all the bargaining power for the next round, particularly when they are losing $'s.
Those that provide the largest financial contribution to the competition are entitled to some input so as to maximise their returns, otherwise the $ value of the contribution is diminished and that effects the whole development of the code from grassroots to 2nd tier.
as per Tiger snake
No night GF plans for AFL
12:05:05 PM Thu 1 June, 2006
Matt Burgan
Sportal for afl.com.au
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has declared that a premiership season night grand final will not take place during the period covered by the next broadcast rights deal which runs from 2007-11.
Demetriou questioned a newspaper report that appeared in The Age on Thursday claiming that a night grand final would be played in 2007 if the AFL's new broadcast partners had their way.
Speaking on 3AW on Thursday morning, Demetriou said it was not inevitable that a grand final would occur and that he'd put "a big line through" the notion.
"Well, given that the AFL controls the schedule and always has and always will and it hasn't sold the rights to schedule games to anybody other than itself; I can tell you that the only body that will decide where the grand final is played is the AFL," Demetriou said.
"We have no desire and it's not on the agenda to play a night grand final and you can write that down and I don't know why it's been reported and I don't know why we weren't called yesterday to get a comment.
"These stories get brought up on an annual basis almost in perpetuity, and the fact of the matter is that there is no desire to play football on Good Friday, there is no desire to play a night grand final and there is no desire to move the Anzac Day game away from Essendon and Collingwood."
Demetriou indicated feedback from the general public had not favoured a night grand final.
"I can tell you that the public has no desire to play a night grand final and I'm not quite sure why a night grand final would bring anything more to a game, given that our day grand final attracts about three-and-a-half million people on television during the day and it's still going to have 95(000) to 100,000 people in attendance and I can't think why we would want to move it," Demetriou said.
Demetriou said a night grand final had been briefly touched on with the new television rights holders - Channel Seven and Channel 10 - but that was as far as discussions went.
"In all of our discussions during the broadcast rights agreements, the topic of the night grand final probably got about two seconds and we haven't been approached since then and it hasn't been brought up in discussions," Demetriou said.
"It's not in our agreement for the next five years, so in fairness to (Channel) Seven and (Channel) 10, I'm not quite sure why that's been reported."
Demetriou also hosed down suggestions that only two matches could be screened on free-to-air television in the new five-year deal, starting next year.
"Well, that's impossible, given that we've sold an agreement that is for eight games on free-to-air with the right for Seven and 10 to sub-license up to four games, so the maximum could only be four games on Foxtel," Demetriou said.
Demetriou said he was not concerned that four matches could be shown on Pay TV provider Foxtel from next season.
"No, not really, I don't know whether that will happen or not, because we're not privy to those discussions, but it is possible that you can put together a schedule and a fixture that isn't too disadvantageous to our viewers, when there is four (free-to-air) and four (pay TV) split."
No night GF plans for AFL
12:05:05 PM Thu 1 June, 2006
Matt Burgan
Sportal for afl.com.au
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou has declared that a premiership season night grand final will not take place during the period covered by the next broadcast rights deal which runs from 2007-11.
Demetriou questioned a newspaper report that appeared in The Age on Thursday claiming that a night grand final would be played in 2007 if the AFL's new broadcast partners had their way.
Speaking on 3AW on Thursday morning, Demetriou said it was not inevitable that a grand final would occur and that he'd put "a big line through" the notion.
"Well, given that the AFL controls the schedule and always has and always will and it hasn't sold the rights to schedule games to anybody other than itself; I can tell you that the only body that will decide where the grand final is played is the AFL," Demetriou said.
"We have no desire and it's not on the agenda to play a night grand final and you can write that down and I don't know why it's been reported and I don't know why we weren't called yesterday to get a comment.
"These stories get brought up on an annual basis almost in perpetuity, and the fact of the matter is that there is no desire to play football on Good Friday, there is no desire to play a night grand final and there is no desire to move the Anzac Day game away from Essendon and Collingwood."
Demetriou indicated feedback from the general public had not favoured a night grand final.
"I can tell you that the public has no desire to play a night grand final and I'm not quite sure why a night grand final would bring anything more to a game, given that our day grand final attracts about three-and-a-half million people on television during the day and it's still going to have 95(000) to 100,000 people in attendance and I can't think why we would want to move it," Demetriou said.
Demetriou said a night grand final had been briefly touched on with the new television rights holders - Channel Seven and Channel 10 - but that was as far as discussions went.
"In all of our discussions during the broadcast rights agreements, the topic of the night grand final probably got about two seconds and we haven't been approached since then and it hasn't been brought up in discussions," Demetriou said.
"It's not in our agreement for the next five years, so in fairness to (Channel) Seven and (Channel) 10, I'm not quite sure why that's been reported."
Demetriou also hosed down suggestions that only two matches could be screened on free-to-air television in the new five-year deal, starting next year.
"Well, that's impossible, given that we've sold an agreement that is for eight games on free-to-air with the right for Seven and 10 to sub-license up to four games, so the maximum could only be four games on Foxtel," Demetriou said.
Demetriou said he was not concerned that four matches could be shown on Pay TV provider Foxtel from next season.
"No, not really, I don't know whether that will happen or not, because we're not privy to those discussions, but it is possible that you can put together a schedule and a fixture that isn't too disadvantageous to our viewers, when there is four (free-to-air) and four (pay TV) split."
Darth Tiger said:
You say Nine has lost money on football these past five years -- this would principally be because they chose to forgo the rights to finals football in order to broadcast rugby league finals.
If you'll recall, Nine was quite happy to pay the $780 million as well. The purpose of this astronomical sum was so the consortium would be "blown out of the water". They then decided to match that figure. They knew what they were getting themselves in for, and to complain after the fact is a bit rich.
Seven and Nine are paying the money on the basis of the existing product and what it might reasonably be expected to become, not on the basis of making fundamental changes after the fact. If they couldn't make their money back on advertising packages sold on the basis of the existing product, why are they bothering? It would be an additional gamble on top of the gamble they already undertook when they matched Nine's offer.
Ready said:
I would certainly agree that 7 & 10 have matched the 9 offer on the basis of projected value for 2007 to 2011 of the AFL rights, and the ability of the AFL rights to provide strategic and monetary returns on the outlay.
The public is not privy to all of the commercial Terms and Conditions of the broadcast agreement, the AFL may have willingly accepted an influence clause - who knows ?
Basically, if an organisation outlays $780m it wants some form of a return, and if the accepting party wants to continue to be a highly valued partner it generally moves/sways in the direction of the funder.
Still have no objection to a night GF.
The Grand Final is one of the biggest rating events of the year, and I'm sure the broadcaster would charge for advertising accordingly.
Not sure the audience would increase at all if it was held at night, except it may be better timing for overseas markets. Definitely don't wish to see it on a Sunday. When the Tigers win, that will be recovery and celebration at Punt Road day.
Not sure the audience would increase at all if it was held at night, except it may be better timing for overseas markets. Definitely don't wish to see it on a Sunday. When the Tigers win, that will be recovery and celebration at Punt Road day.
Rimau Junior said:
the ch 10 head of footy came out last year and admitted they wouldn't make any extra money by broadcasting the granny in prime time compared to sat arvo.
RROFO said:
thats right. if the granny started at 6pm the game would start at 9am in london and 10am in mainland europe... thats why they put the oz open tennis final at night
baktiger said:
doesn't matter... if we won it i won't be sleeping anyway. it will be the biggest bender of my life 8)
Dean3 said:
i think thats fair. although maybe at 4:30 for the europe timezone factor. red ball for the first half, yellow ball for the second half...
You have to be kidding hayfever - maybe you had better check the record books. Even when the RLGF was played at Aussie stadium which olds 40,000 or so you could always pick up tickets for face value a day or two before the game. Even their highly hyped state of origin games are unable to sell out the telstar stadium on a regular basis
