Well the Polish invasion was the impetus for the declaration of war. What other countries had he invaded before Poland?
Regardless of the timeline, the Brits stood up to him. Unlike the French and other European countries.
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Regardless of the timeline, the Brits stood up to him. Unlike the French and other European countries.
Only reason why the Brits got involved was because of an agreement with Poland that forced their hand. They didn’t have one with Czechoslovakia hence they didn’t intervene when Germany invaded them.
The alternative you put forward is not what the alternative was IMO, Germany was completely effed by the Brits and French after WW1. Dropping all the ridiculous conditions that were imposed on Germany would have gone a long way to making it impossible for the Nazi party to have got so much power. The allied powers hold the majority of the blame for WW2 IMO.
Cheers for the response Gia. So Hitler invaded the Czechs before Poland? I wasn't aware of that.
Anyway I do agree that the allies let the Germans off the hook after WWI. That should never have happened and allowed Hitler to rearm and strengthen to a point where he could again invade. But regardless what happened happened and the Allies had no choice but to declare war and defend the German onslaught. Thank God they did.
But history shows the Germans were the aggressors and invaders in WWII, not Britain and its Allies.
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Don't forget the USA........... lucky the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour, the Americans might have happy to sit back and keep making money out of the war. Australia wouldn't be as we know it either.
Other countries were unprepared for war and didn't have the resources - and many thousands of people died defending many of those countries when the Nazis invaded. Britain was fortunate that they had the English Channel and were not part of Hitler's first wave plans - this gave them time to prepare and get a huge amount of support from the USA. That's not to diminish how important the Brits were to the early resistance to the Nazis, they held the line until Hitler screwed up trying to invade the USSR and until the US entered the war.
I think G-Man is arguing it was the onerous conditions the allies put on Germany post WWI that set up the economic, social and political environment that allowed Hitler to take power and then re-arm.
Still, I agree with you that Hitler and Germany were the antagonists.
Yeah Gia was referring to that. What I meant by the Allies letting Germany off the hook was the appeasement and indifference to the rise of National Socialism (in reality fascism) in Germany in the 1930s under Hitler. The rest of Europe knew what Hitler was up to but chose to turn a blind eye to it in the hope that he didn't choose their country to invade. Well he basically chose to invade every country. This included breaking a peace pact with another despot in Stalin and invading Russia which ended up a massive mistake and was a very large reason in why Hitler was ultimately defeated.
I don’t agree that the allies let them off the hook, in fact I believe the exact opposite.
The allies did have a choice, they chose to disarm and continue to provide the Nazi’s with the political environment to succeed. Instead of working with the Germans to rebuild their country and allow them to maintain their monarchy, they preferred to enforce punitive and outrageous conditions and force the emperor to abdicate. Unconditional surrender was a disaster. Then combining that with disarmament when they knew Germany was re-arming was insane.
Mainstream history shows what the victors want you to see, you need to dig a bit deeper to get a better idea of what really happened. I recommend AJP Taylor’s The origins of the Second World War.
The Versailles Treaty was a disaster for Germany and by extension for the rest of the world due to its overly punitive nature. It completely destroyed what little was left of their economy which was made worse after France and Belgium occupied the Ruhr. Once the Great Depression hit the country was screwed and was almost bound to become some sort of dictatorship. Luckily the lesson was at least partially learnt and post WW2 their wasn't such a focus on revenge ahead of rebuilding.
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Tens of thousands of Australians — including celebrities, politicians and journalists — have had their data collected by a company with links to Chinese military and intelligence networks.
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ABC Report:
China's mass surveillance of 35,000 Australians revealed
A database of 2.4 million people, including more than 35,000 Australians, has been leaked from the Shenzhen company Zhenhua Data, which is believed to be used by China's intelligence service, the Ministry of State Security.
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More perspective on this China data harvesting:
Significant error and with US enteriing the war they were doomed . Real sliding doors moment had hitler not retracted on an earlier agreement with Stalin an invaded instead , motivated by Russia’s resources
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Singapore picks Ericsson and Nokia over Huawei for 5G networks
Singtel and StarHub prefer European tech to Chinese for the main equipment
Yeah, good headline story that keeps the five eyes mob happy with Singapore.
But don't forget Singapore is positioning itself as the Switzerland of the West vs China troubles. It will never cut ties with China and won't do anything to upset that relationship.
Take it a step further, other than Taiwan, Singapore is the only other foreign country that is predominantly run by Chinese. China values the relationship it has with Singapore.
Yeah, and nothing wrong with being Switzerland. I'm sure Singapore wants to preserve good relations with China. But Singaporeans are also very patriotic and proudly independent. They won't ever want to be another Hong Kong, and going for a non-Chinese tech solution is a positive signal.
Indonesia is similar - they want to maintain strategic independence from both the US and China. They don't trust anybody.
To some degree yes. I said they were patriotic, both statements can be true. The Merdeka Generation and all that. It's also due to being a small city state surrounded by Indonesia and Malaysia. Builds resilience but also paranoia.
Sure. They will also maintain their independence from China as much as they possibly can. Business yes, control no. I'm sure the Chinese government has influence/agents in Singapore government and public service though.
I actually heart Singapore these days, has a lot of great things going on there. I used to call it "Asia-Lite" but I like going there now after the insanity and chaos of Indonesia. But Singaporeans are funny... one of my colleagues there asked me "why doesn't Indonesia just build public housing like Singapore's HDB".. I didn't bother to explain "because they are poor, they have 17,000 islands and 300 million people living there".
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Chinese intimidation of international journalists says everything. They simply cannot be trusted.
Their tit for tat argument is a complete ruse.
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Their tit for tat argument is a complete ruse.
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