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Chris Scott is the best game day coach in the AFL

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Interesting because Dave back and Balta on ball was always the answer but understandably we were all bewitched by Balta at full back. It is one of the reasons we lost to Lions.
Tend to agree.

I think Balta is the sort of bloke who can play anywhere so when you have a full back of Astbury's quality, why not play Balta in an offensive rather than defensive capacity? Philosophically, it's no different to having half backs the quality of Short, Grimes, Houli and Baker, meaning you can deploy Dusty ahead of the ball.

Balta with the ball in his hands between the arcs suddenly means we're about to go full steam into attack.

We just somehow looked better with him on the ball.
 
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DavidSSS

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I agree DS but he has had us on toast during the finals twice now and still not been able to eat us up....... slow learner, we keep improving at the same rate they are or is our team just that 4 - 5 goal better team than they are under a pressure finals game.

To beat them in finals 3 times in four years will hurt.

Somehow I think the penny has dropped and Scott realises we are actually a much better team than they are....and he hates it as he is a stubborn old man who hates losing.

His lack of flags since 2011 will be weighing him down and he knows he is or has run out of time.

Of course he believes he can improve Geelong enough to beat us, but doesn't mean he succeeds!

The reality is, with a team like Richmond at the moment, Hawthorn, Brisbane, Geelong over the last 20 years - you have to believe that you can get to their level but you also know how bloody hard it is when one team is performing so well and you know the current top dog will be working damned hard to stay there.

Scott, along with pretty much the whole industry, knows exactly how we play, exactly how good our players are when playing to our plan, exactly which players might be unsung but are actually damned good, and they have ways they reckon they can stifle our game. The issue is implementing it. The issue for the club at the top is when things start to drop off, just a little, and then it gets much harder to maintain.

Don't get me wrong, I do love beating Scott. But I sure as hell am not going to underestimate his drive and ability (might underestimate his personality at times because it sure comes across as salty even if that is only what we see in public).

DS
 
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zippadeee

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Dumb
Just dumb.
He saw in 10 minutes what damaged Ratagalia caused us and left him out and then once again went to game with no pace...
 
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Dumb
Just dumb.
He saw in 10 minutes what damaged Ratagalia caused us and left him out and then once again went to game with no pace...

Agree, Ratagalia seems to play well against us. He is young isn't he, could be a great player. Big, can mark, can ruck. Plenty of upside. Geelong would have caused us more problems with him in and they would be mad not to hang on to him.

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Coburgtiger

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I don't think Scott made an error by keeping Danger forward.

Geelong have been gettable because their supposed 'holy trinity' midfield, was actually pretty poor.

An elderly Ablett became a one way runner. Selwood is, and always has been, a limited footballer with a battering ram for a head. And Dangerfield is the worst A grade midfielder in the competition.

What does the worst A grader look like? Someone who is elite at getting the ball. Elite at carrying it at speed. Someone with vice like hands, incredible athleticism, strength, speed and leap.

But someone who also fumbles when the heat is on. Has poor peripheral vision. Someone without any creativity, or ability to improvise. Someone who can't react to pressure, without defaulting to run hard/kick hard. A player for which burst running and long kicking is their one wood, but is also their five iron and their putter. Someone who wants to win a game, rather than help their team win a game.

Midfield is the most complex, creative, improvisational position on the field. You need to be able to switch from attack to defend, create to block, break away to close down, in the space of a microsecond. You need to know where everyone is around you, and what they're all doing. You need to know where the ball is and where the space is. Dangerfield knows only that he looks good when he grabs the ball and runs fast with it.

He is a poor midfielder.

The forward line is easier. Can you jump high and hold onto a ball? Do you have the speed to get on to a lead? Can you kick it long and hard? Can you tackle if you need to?

Danger can do those things. He is a good forward. If he plays there from now on, he could be a great one.

When Geelong shifted to Duncan, Guthrie, Selwood and Menegola running through there, they suddenly became a proposition. I was legitimately scared of that midfield, as opposed to laughing confidently about Ablett's lack of pace, Selwood's lack of athleticism, and Dangerfield's total lack of composure and skill. At the end of the day, his best attribute is being able to get free and into space. But his worst attribute is then having the decision making and skill to make good on that. Which makes him essentially a wash, and when you're kicking into Richmond's backline, it makes you a liability.

He had to play forward.
 
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FoxFooty are showing a replay of the Cats v Pies semi final, the score is 60 to 6 just before halftime. Salty had the Cats looking like Premiers :banana
 
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There is a case to be made that the cats were our most difficult opponents in 2019 and 2020, and maybe 2017.

To some extent Scott's poor finals record has been impacted by the tiger juggernaut. No tigers and potentially he has two more premierships.

Long may it continue.
 
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tigerman

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Isaac Smith and Shaun Higgins almost certain to be at Geelong. Well, we know what Scotts game plan is going to be next year, possession, possession and more possession. It's going to end in tears again.
 
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I don’t understand why they are recruiting these older players - they need a game breaking a grader - not more of the old mans club.

Agree - desperate move by Scott as I see 2 of his first rounders going to GWS for JC.
 
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Coburgtiger

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Are you rating him on one game?

Not sure what's sillier, the statement itself or that at least 8 posters agree.

I'm rating him on every game he's ever played.

But you're true to form as someone who constantly trolls my posts without ever having the basic comprehension to engage with them.
 
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Razorgang2

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I don't think Scott made an error by keeping Danger forward.

Geelong have been gettable because their supposed 'holy trinity' midfield, was actually pretty poor.

An elderly Ablett became a one way runner. Selwood is, and always has been, a limited footballer with a battering ram for a head. And Dangerfield is the worst A grade midfielder in the competition.

What does the worst A grader look like? Someone who is elite at getting the ball. Elite at carrying it at speed. Someone with vice like hands, incredible athleticism, strength, speed and leap.

But someone who also fumbles when the heat is on. Has poor peripheral vision. Someone without any creativity, or ability to improvise. Someone who can't react to pressure, without defaulting to run hard/kick hard. A player for which burst running and long kicking is their one wood, but is also their five iron and their putter. Someone who wants to win a game, rather than help their team win a game.

Midfield is the most complex, creative, improvisational position on the field. You need to be able to switch from attack to defend, create to block, break away to close down, in the space of a microsecond. You need to know where everyone is around you, and what they're all doing. You need to know where the ball is and where the space is. Dangerfield knows only that he looks good when he grabs the ball and runs fast with it.

He is a poor midfielder.

The forward line is easier. Can you jump high and hold onto a ball? Do you have the speed to get on to a lead? Can you kick it long and hard? Can you tackle if you need to?

Danger can do those things. He is a good forward. If he plays there from now on, he could be a great one.

When Geelong shifted to Duncan, Guthrie, Selwood and Menegola running through there, they suddenly became a proposition. I was legitimately scared of that midfield, as opposed to laughing confidently about Ablett's lack of pace, Selwood's lack of athleticism, and Dangerfield's total lack of composure and skill. At the end of the day, his best attribute is being able to get free and into space. But his worst attribute is then having the decision making and skill to make good on that. Which makes him essentially a wash, and when you're kicking into Richmond's backline, it makes you a liability.

He had to play forward.
Enjoyed your post, however when the game was blown wide open after half time, your put your best players where the action is. Now here is where I think the issue is.

Yes everyone agrees that Patrick is an exceptional player etc, He hasnt been able to produce that at the pointy end of the year. And that is why I think the coach was flawed keeping him there. He had to go to the midfield.
 
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antman

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TBRs post from yesterday gave really great insights into how you deal with DF as a forward, and how you deal with him as a midfielder. Great player but no adaptability, so if you can execute right, you can stop him. Against us he did very little in midfield, as a forward he got one goal from a marginal free kick.

Broad towelled him up when he played forward. He's got the pace to go with him on the lead, and the body work to keep him under the ball. One incident where he flew and very nearly marked it - Graham, fearless, got absolutely crunched but of course bounced up, no complaints and ran with his man.

 
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I'm rating him on every game he's ever played.

But you're true to form as someone who constantly trolls my posts without ever having the basic comprehension to engage with them.

Well the stats don’t support your personal ratings. Not do various awards he has received. How do you engage with opinion not supported by statistical measures? Maybe you didn’t mean to say poor? Because that would mean the likes of Prestia, Cotchin etc are woeful.

I can’t stand Dangerfield and stats alone can be misleading but I think the fact that he is widely acknowledged and awarded as one of the best mids in the game is confirmation that he is not a poor midfielder.
 

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To add, perhaps he has been poorly coached? Perhaps he has been asked to do more than he should, and that is the reason he often fails in the big games against us? That he tries too hard to do it all himself? And if he had a coach like dimma and a mind coach like Emma Murray he may be a better team player?
 

Coburgtiger

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Well the stats don’t support your personal ratings. Not do various awards he has received. How do you engage with opinion not supported by statistical measures? Maybe you didn’t mean to say poor? Because that would mean the likes of Prestia, Cotchin etc are woeful.

I can’t stand Dangerfield and stats alone can be misleading but I think the fact that he is widely acknowledged and awarded as one of the best mids in the game is confirmation that he is not a poor midfielder.

I never said he was a poor footballer. I said he was a poor midfielder.

I actually said he was A grade. But I suppose you didn't read it.

There's a reason he was named in the forward line in the AA team. Not the midfield.

Despite the fact that he only kicked 11 goals for the year.
 

Ridley

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TBRs post from yesterday gave really great insights into how you deal with DF as a forward, and how you deal with him as a midfielder. Great player but no adaptability, so if you can execute right, you can stop him. Against us he did very little in midfield, as a forward he got one goal from a marginal free kick.

Broad towelled him up when he played forward. He's got the pace to go with him on the lead, and the body work to keep him under the ball. One incident where he flew and very nearly marked it - Graham, fearless, got absolutely crunched but of course bounced up, no complaints and ran with his man.

Yeah that was fantastic from Graham. He’s as tough as nails. So glad he’s staying with us.
 
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MD Jazz

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I never said he was a poor footballer. I said he was a poor midfielder.

I actually said he was A grade. But I suppose you didn't read it.

There's a reason he was named in the forward line in the AA team. Not the midfield.

Despite the fact that he only kicked 11 goals for the year.

I understand what you said. I just disagree with it. He’s won multiple AA selections and a Brownlow as a mid. He’s won multiple media awards as a mid yet you argue he’s a poor midfielder and has been his whole career? You don’t think perhaps that’s an exaggeration.
 

Coburgtiger

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I understand what you said. I just disagree with it. He’s won multiple AA selections and a Brownlow as a mid. He’s won multiple media awards as a mid yet you argue he’s a poor midfielder and has been his whole career? You don’t think perhaps that’s an exaggeration.

No. I don't.

There's a reason he does his best work when his team's in front.

There's a reason his most valuable asset as a mid is his ability to go forward.

There's a reason he's been known as clangerfield since he played for the Crows.

I stand by what I said. He's an elite athlete with some elite footballing attributes, which suit him better when he plays forward than mid. His midfield craft is poor. He is not creative or silky. He is a poor kick, a poor user and and a poor decision maker. He gets exposed defensively all the time, and gets exposed offensively when the pressure's on.

As for All Australians, brownlow and media awards, I wish there were a way to effectively type a long, slow, loud raspberry.