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IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.
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- Thread starter Jools
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Disco08 said:
Perhaps it was the amphetamines?
Or the repressed homosexuality busting to get out?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard
Grrr I forgot to watch Denton.
No worries jay. I didn't expect you to name names anyway but for other reasons. Would be pretty hard to do unless someone has confessed to you personally that they are looking for God. How could you possibly presume to know otherwise.
jayfox said:
No worries jay. I didn't expect you to name names anyway but for other reasons. Would be pretty hard to do unless someone has confessed to you personally that they are looking for God. How could you possibly presume to know otherwise.
Mellow is the man
Who knows what hes been missing
Many many men
Cant see the open road.
Many is a word
That only leaves you guessing
Guessing bout a thing
You really ought to know, ooh!
You really ought to know
I really ought to know!
Plant 3:16
House of the Holy Sacred Scrolls.
Who knows what hes been missing
Many many men
Cant see the open road.
Many is a word
That only leaves you guessing
Guessing bout a thing
You really ought to know, ooh!
You really ought to know
I really ought to know!
Plant 3:16
House of the Holy Sacred Scrolls.
rosy23 said:
As I'm sure you would realise Rosy, I have had a few PM's on this subject which has given me an insight into thoughts that people have that they may not want to post. What I was moreso referring to is that I believe that everyone has an inbuilt desire to have God in their lives but many don't realise that He is the one thing they are missing. I believe that God put it into the hearts of all people to want to find out the truth, whether they accept it or not.
Tiger Attack said:
Jesus didn't bomb anyone.
Disco08 said:
Yeah, like programming us to only do good and not make our own choices or have any free will. He could have made us like robots and taken away any freedom we have. What a shocking God he is for allowing us to make, and be judged by, our own choices.
Royal Tiger said:
There are many prophecies regarding the end times in the bible but the part that you are getting at is called the 'Rapture'. Christians will not have to die to get to heaven as, at a particular time that only God knows about, they will be changed into their heavenly bodies by God to save them from the 7 years of tribulation to come (a time of suffering like the world has never known which coincides with the rise of the Anti-Christ). I know that this sounds crazy but it is absolutely amazing when you study it and realise that so many of the events prophesised to happen prior to this event have occurred in the past 100 years, like the reunification of Israel as a nation and the increase in travel and technology to name just two.
jayfox said:
I'm a full blown Catholic, so I certainly know what you referring to (though not to the same extent.) I just think others may not necessarily find the same solace as you do in God. Neither would be right or wrong. Just because I believe what I do, doesn't mean everyone has to, or will.
I am continually impressed by your convictions and beliefs though.
jayfox said:
I wouldn't realise you've had a few pm's on the subject at all jay.
jayfox said:
I find it a tad surprising that, with the peace and fulfillment and wholeness it's claimed believing in God gives, people can get so upset, angry, agro, critical, personal, questioning etc of the posters on an internet forum and the players and those involved at a football club. That's not my idea of peace and fulfillment.
On another matter, can someone pelase tell me if God is credited with creating the Earth we live on and if so is there a date when it happened? I don't know much about evolution vs creation but am interested to know if the Bible dates confirm the similar timeframes that scientific testing does.
jayfox said:
Wasn't that what he originally wanted? If it wasn't for the serpent deceiving Eve wouldn't mankind not have known evil and lived forever? Therefore no judgment and no suffering. I still find it odd that if god knew the serpent was going to deceive Eve and alter the history of mankind against god's will, that he planted the tree in the first place? Why didn't he kill the serpent first? Why did he create a talking serpent anyway?
jayfox said:
That's not the point at all. Are you saying that god couldn't have created a world without pain, suffering or evil and given us free will at the same time?
I've come to the conclusion from reading more of the bible, that the christian/catholic god is the cruelest character in all of fiction. I can't see how anyone can draw a conclusion otherwise based on the 'facts' presented in the bible. As you quoted Jay, the gospel prophecises that only a few will find their way to heaven. Obviously god, able to see the future, knows this before he even creates the universe. So therefore he's made a conscious decision to create billions upon billions of creatures in his own image knowing that they are doomed to spend eternity suffering in hell.
A bit more from Nietzsche.The man does great work.
I thank you jayfox for this thread.It has inspired me to delve deeper.
319.
As interpreters of our experience.— One sort of honesty has been alien to all founders of religions and their kind:—they have never made their experiences a matter of conscience for knowledge. "What did I really experience? What happened to me and around me at that time? Was my reason bright enough? Was my will opposed to all deceptions of the senses and bold in resisting the fantastic?"—none of them has asked such questions, nor do any of our dear religious people ask them even now; on the contrary, they thirst after things that go against reason, and they do not wish to make it too hard for themselves to satisfy it,—so they experience "miracles" and "rebirths" and hear the voices of little angels! But we, we others who thirst after reason, are determined to scrutinize our experiences as severely as a scientific experiment, hour after hour, day after day! We ourselves wish to be our experiments and guinea pigs.-The Gay Science
I thank you jayfox for this thread.It has inspired me to delve deeper.
319.
As interpreters of our experience.— One sort of honesty has been alien to all founders of religions and their kind:—they have never made their experiences a matter of conscience for knowledge. "What did I really experience? What happened to me and around me at that time? Was my reason bright enough? Was my will opposed to all deceptions of the senses and bold in resisting the fantastic?"—none of them has asked such questions, nor do any of our dear religious people ask them even now; on the contrary, they thirst after things that go against reason, and they do not wish to make it too hard for themselves to satisfy it,—so they experience "miracles" and "rebirths" and hear the voices of little angels! But we, we others who thirst after reason, are determined to scrutinize our experiences as severely as a scientific experiment, hour after hour, day after day! We ourselves wish to be our experiments and guinea pigs.-The Gay Science
Rosy asked about dates and the Bible. This has been covered earlier, but it's a lot of fun so let's do it again.
Carbon dating is all stuffed up isn't it, Jay?
Carbon dating is all stuffed up isn't it, Jay?
Tiger Attack said:
Sorry I only read this thread when I've caught up on everything else so there would be a lot I've missed. One day when I retire I'll read it from start to finish.
Would be interested to know if carbon dating and the Bible support both the evolution vs creation theories date wise.