Well theres your theological thesis.Prove that statement and they'll make you a Proffessor at Cambridge.Disco08 said:I'm surprised phi has come into the discussion at all. I'd have thought if ever there was some proof of creation, that was it.
Disco08 said:Andy, I found that one of the most compelling studies put forward in the DaVinci Code. I've been trying to find more information on it but it's actually a little scarce on the interweb. I'd really like to find a book or books dedicated to the subject. Brown actually takes it further illustrating the way the female gods have actually been the victims of christian propaganda which associated their names and symbology with evil and particularly with satanic principles.
Tiger Attack said:Jay, given that you believe in the afterlife and the physical realities of heaven and hell, whereabouts would these places be?
Any answer jayfox could give you would be pure speculation on his part.And he realises that.Seems tp me he gave a fair answer.Tiger Attack said:But they must be somewhere?
evo said:Its not directrly relevant to christianity.But it's certainly relevant to every person in the world given until recently Rumsfield was one of the guys in control of defense/attack of the most powerful nation in the world.
Here is his genius in all it's glory.
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld
:hihi
evo said:Just finished reading some Wittgenstein,very enjoyable(Betrand Russell(he of flying teapot fame)-rated him highly).
Heres some thoughts from him on the subject of God and thinking.
How things are in the world is a matter of complete indifference for what is higher.God does not reveal himself in the world.
evo said:No,I don't think you're missing something-it's a good point.But you have to remember he only toyed with the idea,he didn't actually go become a pastor.Disco08 said:Thanks. That doesn't really fit with his statement given the ten commandments and all does it? Or am I missing something?
I can't really speak to his mind at the time but i imagine it went somnething along the lines
1.Go to war
2.Write thesis on philosophy from which i provided a quote 'Tracticus'-incidently he wrote it while on brief leave form the war-impressive in itself.He obviously did alot of hard thinking in those fox holes.
3.Go back to war.
4.Get freaked out by the horrors of it.(his best mate also got killed in the war-which made him suicidal)
5.THink maybe returning to the bible might help him out.
6.Think better of it.
7.Become a primary school teacher while he thinks of the next brilliant thing to write.
Stripes said:I still haven't had the chance to watch Denton or the Richard Dawkins pieces yet but I have no doubt they adequately expose the true cult nature of some fanatical Christian churches, not unlike David Koresh, eh Jay?
Believe in yourself first and foremost!!! That's where you find the Truth of your being. You don't NEED to follow anyone, let alone some book of prophesies written by man (some of whom were no different to clairvoyants). History is but one man's opinion of events.
Thanks Evo, any chance you want to join me on my side of the debate? ;Devo said:Any answer jayfox could give you would be pure speculation on his part.And he realises that.Seems tp me he gave a fair answer.Tiger Attack said:But they must be somewhere?
jayfox said:I think even the most biased observer could see that Koresh was not a Christian, Stripey. He asked people to worship himself and caused a mass suicide/killing - teachings and actions that clearly contradict the teachings of Christ.
Secondly, I would like to know what evidence you have in making the outlandish statement that some of the men who wrote the prophecies in the Bible were "no different to clairvoyants". Most clairvoyants, as I understand them, don't follow the teachings of Christ at all.
Anduril said:I realise that this has nothing to do with the current interesting philosophical discussion here, but I found this quote by Adrian d'Hage quiet interesting. Admittedly it is in a work of fiction but d'Hage is currently a reseach scholar at the ANU, and holds an honours degree in Theology amongst his other hats.
"The religions of the ancients had a balance of gods and goddesses and it is only in relatively recent times that religion has been hijacked by the male of the species. I am one of those who think that male-dominated religions are dangerously out of balance and as a result, they have done untold damage in the world. With the advent of weapons of mass destruction, male dominated religions are a danger to the world."