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Christianity

Oh *smile*. Don't know how I forgot either considering one of my best mates is following them around the country.

I'm surprised phi has come into the discussion at all. I'd have thought if ever there was some proof of creation, that was it.
 
Disco08 said:
I'm surprised phi has come into the discussion at all. I'd have thought if ever there was some proof of creation, that was it.
Well theres your theological thesis.Prove that statement and they'll make you a Proffessor at Cambridge.

In fact the Pope would probably make you a Saint.
 
I realise that this has nothing to do with the current interesting philosophical discussion here, but I found this quote by Adrian d'Hage quiet interesting. Admittedly it is in a work of fiction but d'Hage is currently a reseach scholar at the ANU, and holds an honours degree in Theology amongst his other hats.

"The religions of the ancients had a balance of gods and goddesses and it is only in relatively recent times that religion has been hijacked by the male of the species. I am one of those who think that male-dominated religions are dangerously out of balance and as a result, they have done untold damage in the world. With the advent of weapons of mass destruction, male dominated religions are a danger to the world."
 
Andy, I found that one of the most compelling studies put forward in the DaVinci Code. I've been trying to find more information on it but it's actually a little scarce on the interweb. I'd really like to find a book or books dedicated to the subject. Brown actually takes it further illustrating the way the female gods have actually been the victims of christian propaganda which associated their names and symbology with evil and particularly with satanic principles.
 
Jay, given that you believe in the afterlife and the physical realities of heaven and hell, whereabouts would these places be?
 
Disco08 said:
Andy, I found that one of the most compelling studies put forward in the DaVinci Code. I've been trying to find more information on it but it's actually a little scarce on the interweb. I'd really like to find a book or books dedicated to the subject. Brown actually takes it further illustrating the way the female gods have actually been the victims of christian propaganda which associated their names and symbology with evil and particularly with satanic principles.

Yes I found what Brown had to say interesting too. (Though I must 'fess I didn't finish the book.) I shall keep searching as well.
 
Tiger Attack said:
Jay, given that you believe in the afterlife and the physical realities of heaven and hell, whereabouts would these places be?

They are spiritual places TigerSlack, which you cannot go to in this lifetime so I don't know where they are. Give me 50 or so years and I'll find out though.
 
Tiger Attack said:
But they must be somewhere?
Any answer jayfox could give you would be pure speculation on his part.And he realises that.Seems tp me he gave a fair answer.

Donald Rumsfield would describe them as unknown unknows-Or is it known unknowns?I never could work old Rummy out. ;D
 
Its not directrly relevant to christianity.But it's certainly relevant to every person in the world given until recently Rumsfield was one of the guys in control of defense/attack of the most powerful nation in the world.

Here is his genius in all it's glory.

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld

:hihi
 
evo said:
Its not directrly relevant to christianity.But it's certainly relevant to every person in the world given until recently Rumsfield was one of the guys in control of defense/attack of the most powerful nation in the world.

Here is his genius in all it's glory.

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld

:hihi

As crazy as that sounds it makes sense.
 
evo said:
Just finished reading some Wittgenstein,very enjoyable(Betrand Russell(he of flying teapot fame)-rated him highly).

Heres some thoughts from him on the subject of God and thinking.

How things are in the world is a matter of complete indifference for what is higher.God does not reveal himself in the world.

Can't agree with this Evo, as God revealed himself to the world through Jesus Christ who was by very nature God. He also reveals himself on a daily basis to those who truly want to find him.
 
evo said:
Disco08 said:
Thanks. That doesn't really fit with his statement given the ten commandments and all does it? Or am I missing something?
No,I don't think you're missing something-it's a good point.But you have to remember he only toyed with the idea,he didn't actually go become a pastor.

I can't really speak to his mind at the time but i imagine it went somnething along the lines

1.Go to war
2.Write thesis on philosophy from which i provided a quote 'Tracticus'-incidently he wrote it while on brief leave form the war-impressive in itself.He obviously did alot of hard thinking in those fox holes.
3.Go back to war.
4.Get freaked out by the horrors of it.(his best mate also got killed in the war-which made him suicidal)
5.THink maybe returning to the bible might help him out.
6.Think better of it.
7.Become a primary school teacher while he thinks of the next brilliant thing to write.

Evo, on numbers 5,6 - If he was considering becoming a pastor of a church then don't you think that his persuit of God may have been a little more advanced than simply "Think maybe returning to the bible might help him out." and "Think better of it." For someone to look into Christianity, to read parts of the Bible or to attend some church services would be to "think maybe of returning the bible for help" but to consider leading other people to Christ and becoming the head of the church involves a far deeper pursuit, I would have thought.
 
Stripes said:
I still haven't had the chance to watch Denton or the Richard Dawkins pieces yet but I have no doubt they adequately expose the true cult nature of some fanatical Christian churches, not unlike David Koresh, eh Jay?

Believe in yourself first and foremost!!! That's where you find the Truth of your being. You don't NEED to follow anyone, let alone some book of prophesies written by man (some of whom were no different to clairvoyants). History is but one man's opinion of events.

I think even the most biased observer could see that Koresh was not a Christian, Stripey. He asked people to worship himself and caused a mass suicide/killing - teachings and actions that clearly contradict the teachings of Christ.

Secondly, I would like to know what evidence you have in making the outlandish statement that some of the men who wrote the prophecies in the Bible were "no different to clairvoyants". Most clairvoyants, as I understand them, don't follow the teachings of Christ at all.
 
evo said:
Tiger Attack said:
But they must be somewhere?
Any answer jayfox could give you would be pure speculation on his part.And he realises that.Seems tp me he gave a fair answer.
Thanks Evo, any chance you want to join me on my side of the debate? ;D
 
jayfox said:
I think even the most biased observer could see that Koresh was not a Christian, Stripey. He asked people to worship himself and caused a mass suicide/killing - teachings and actions that clearly contradict the teachings of Christ.

Secondly, I would like to know what evidence you have in making the outlandish statement that some of the men who wrote the prophecies in the Bible were "no different to clairvoyants". Most clairvoyants, as I understand them, don't follow the teachings of Christ at all.

I attended a Christian church for some time Jayfox-on-the-run (mostly to watch a good friend in the band who has since left - the band btw was awsome!) until it finally dawned on me that the pastor himself was so full of his own ego and ability as a "faith healer" that he systematically took control of the congregation who were innocent believers in his ability to "heal" via the teachings of Christ. It wasn't about the Bible, it was totally about him and his ego - fed by the masses. This guy is the biggest manipulative and egotistical fraud I've ever met (and I've met a few in the investment banking industry!) but the frightening thing is that his congregation adore him, worship him and just want to be with him. I would not be in the least bit surprised to see him and his faithful Christian congregation at some point down the track on 6pm news in a seige type situation. Its just a matter of time IMO, this guy is a true masterful nutter, all in the name of Christ.

You would be surprised at how many people I know who are genuinely clairvoyant (not the shonky $2 shop variety, but those who indeed have the capacity to elevate themselves to higher vibrational frequencies) who also follow the teachings of Christ. My best friend is a born again Christian, and get this, is also a scientist who is developing extraordinary intuitive abilities!! We are multi-dimensional beings Jay. We only use 5% of our brain! All I'm saying is don't limit yourself by your own thinking or beliefs buddy.
 
Anduril said:
I realise that this has nothing to do with the current interesting philosophical discussion here, but I found this quote by Adrian d'Hage quiet interesting. Admittedly it is in a work of fiction but d'Hage is currently a reseach scholar at the ANU, and holds an honours degree in Theology amongst his other hats.

"The religions of the ancients had a balance of gods and goddesses and it is only in relatively recent times that religion has been hijacked by the male of the species. I am one of those who think that male-dominated religions are dangerously out of balance and as a result, they have done untold damage in the world. With the advent of weapons of mass destruction, male dominated religions are a danger to the world."

I too am one of those who think that male-dominated religions are grossly out of balance and are the root cause of much of the evil we see today. Yet another example of power and control over the masses.