Tubytiger said:
Some churches do, but there are many liberal denominations and parishes where the powers that be are more accommodating.
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Some churches do, but there are many liberal denominations and parishes where the powers that be are more accommodating.
jayfox said:
I just thought I would take the opportunity to say that I 100% agree with this post Jay.
Its not often I get to say that to you on this thread.
I honestly don't want to offend anyone by this or ostracise myself, but I am really interested in why our society has this sacrosanct view of faith. I have noticed that many people who disagree with the view of the 'believers' on this thread often begin or finish by saying "I respect your beliefs", or "I respect your faith". I personally respect the posters right to express their opinion, however when it comes down to it I haven't seen anything that would even remotely change my own opinion that it is highly unlikely that a higher power exists. When it comes down to it it is a matter of faith - and faith is something I do not respect. Belief in the absence of evidence. That is what faith is. Religions trade on it. I have far greater respect for people who use their brains and collect evidence to explain the world around them. Why is it then that we feel obliged to respect and not question someone's belief system.
This is a legitimate question about an interesting phenomenon.
This is a legitimate question about an interesting phenomenon.
Disco08 said:
Not really Disco. It isn't something I have spent much time looking at.
Does appear to be quite interesting though. It seems that nature is full of constants and patterns. Is it something to do with the basic laws that govern the universe? These constants due appear to have been necessary for the emergence of life though. Interesting stuff.
this threads pumping.Excellent,took me ages to catch up.
Stripes on another forum i go to, which is only devoted to philosophy, there are quite alot of posters who subscribe to the re-incarnation concept.I've learnt quite alot about it very recently.Many people have a different conception of what it is, however.
I would be really interested to find out what type of re-incarnation you favour.
Buddhist,Hindu,Gnostic or some type of other.
Stripes said:
Stripes on another forum i go to, which is only devoted to philosophy, there are quite alot of posters who subscribe to the re-incarnation concept.I've learnt quite alot about it very recently.Many people have a different conception of what it is, however.
I would be really interested to find out what type of re-incarnation you favour.
Buddhist,Hindu,Gnostic or some type of other.
Panthera tigris FC said:
Well, it all comes down to having respect for other people in this society. Personally, i cant understand if you cant the concept of other people having differing opinions but not respecting what other people think. When it comes down to the bare bones, we are all human beings, be it black, white, or whoever we maybe. Who we believe in or what we believe comes totally down to ourselves. It is what makes this society so dynamic - imagine if we all were the same. If you had the same house, same type of partner, same personality, same outlook on life as everyone else. Now that would be hell in my opinion.
And your not ostracising yourself with your view, it is just one of many that form this world will live in TF. Interesting stuff mate. Just glad we can all come on here and express our views.
I dont know what phi is ducK, have I missed a discussion?
I'm with you Pants tearer Tigerette FC. I'm a scientist, athiest, humanist, ecologist. richmondist, I believe in compassion, empathy, helping people out and being there for you friends and family, and I'm an all round good bloke. Accoring to fox on the run I'm the express escalator to the underworld, but thats cool.
All this death, torture and fear based on a fairytale, it stinks I tells ya.
I'm with you Pants tearer Tigerette FC. I'm a scientist, athiest, humanist, ecologist. richmondist, I believe in compassion, empathy, helping people out and being there for you friends and family, and I'm an all round good bloke. Accoring to fox on the run I'm the express escalator to the underworld, but thats cool.
All this death, torture and fear based on a fairytale, it stinks I tells ya.
Panthera tigris FC said:
From wiki:
Adolf Zeising, whose main interests were mathematics and philosophy, found the golden ratio expressed in the arrangement of branches along the stems of plants, and of veins in leaves. He extended his research to the skeletons of animals and the branchings of their veins and nerves, to the proportions of chemical compounds and the geometry of crystals, as well as the use of proportion in artistic endeavors. In these phenomena he saw the golden ratio operating as a universal law.[27] Zeising wrote in 1854:
[A universal law] in which is contained the ground-principle of all formative striving for beauty and completeness in the realms of both nature and art, and which permeates, as a paramount spiritual ideal, all structures, forms and proportions, whether cosmic or individual, organic or inorganic, acoustic or optical; which finds its fullest realization, however, in the human form.
I only stumbled onto through reading The DaVince Code and still haven't really delved into it properly. I'm totally fascinated though. The number is 1.61 (tack on as many decimals as you like).
evo said:
I favour coming back as the next richmond superstar CHF, soon if possible, I prefer not to have to work my way up from a slater beetle, but the way we are going, might be what it takes
tigersnake said:
Check out the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
It sounds like you and I characterise ourselves along very similar lines.
I agree with you Pantera.Panthera tigris FC said:
Thats one thing that really appeals to me about Nietzsche,and quite alot of other philosophers.He in particular is right in your face telling you how he thinks it is.No beg pardons.Just the cold hard truths as he sees it.
As far as within our society goes,I think Dawkins is doing a power of work to overturn this long held tip toing around people of faith.I think it's a fantastic thing he's doing.
Search for truth is where it is at.
Tubytiger said:
Thanks for the response Tuby. I agree that diversity in our society is important. I just feel that religion and faith has this somewhat revered status. As I have stated in an earlier post it is the impact of religion on our society that troubles me. When people in positions of power make decisions that affect the society as whole and the basis for such a decision is their faith I get annoyed. I respect everyone's right to hold any point of view, but I would respect that point of view if it had some basis in reality (I guess I should say demonstrable reality- I am sure it is real to them).
Tubytiger said:
Sorry for the confusion. I was pointing Tigersnake towards information on phi.
I was also pointing out that his perception of himself (ie. scientist, athiest, humanist, ecologist. richmondist) is similar to my own.
jayfox said:
No offence taken Jay. I totally agree, anyone can see aura's!!! Although the "aura" is a scientific fact, not a trick of the eye - its an electromagnetic field of energy around the body. Stick your hand under a microscope and you'll see the exact same thing. That's because we are energy beings. The gift (if there is one - debatable as everyone can see this too) is disembodied spirits. That's not a trick of the eye. If it was, then next time I see my dead grandparents and my best friend's dad (who recently passed) standing at the end of my bed again I'll ask them to drop by and say hi to you.
Stripes said:jayfox said:
No offence taken Jay. I totally agree, anyone can see aura's!!! Although the "aura" is a scientific fact, not a trick of the eye - its an electromagnetic field of energy around the body. Stick your hand under a microscope and you'll see the exact same thing. That's because we are energy beings. The gift (if there is one - debatable as everyone can see this too) is disembodied spirits. That's not a trick of the eye. If it was, then next time I see my dead grandparents and my best friend's dad (who recently passed) standing at the end of my bed again I'll ask them to drop by and say hi to you.
This is one fantastic thread. Just to see one another deal respectfully with the thread is a blast althought ive only been a johno who says im not sorry lately.... :hihi
evo said:
Sounds like an interesting forum Evo! To be honest, I don't know enough about Buddhists, Hindu's or Gnostic's so I'm remiss to choose which one but I would guess its a take on all of them. I believe that we incarnate in many lifetimes for the purpose of learning all of life's lessons (which are, amongst other things, compassion, empathy, unconditional love and ultimately reaching enlightenment). Enlightenment to me is probably similar to what Jay thinks is Heaven in that its a return to Source (God), except that I believe you can attain that level now and while you're still alive.
If I had to choose a religion to follow, it would probably be Buddhism (Tibetan) as it resonates with me. I have no doubt Jesus existed and that he was a great man, but I also think this is the greatest story ever sold.