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Cleve Hughes - Premiership Player

I reckon Cleve's shortcomings might be as much physical as mental. Maybe even more the former.

He's not a big unit by any means. And he's got no leg speed so he can't find space unless he lurks or sags and key forwards are not allowed that much space.

And I've never seen him get any altitude. Your short and slow and there's a defender all over you, how are you going to mark the ball if you can't get air?

He gets a bit of leather at AFL level outside the arc but usually through lurking, smart play but hardly the bread and butter of a tall forward.

Pettifer would jump straight over him as would Schulz or JR. And which of them can he beat in a footrace? How's he going to find space at the level.

And even with a recent addition of 5 or 6kg he's not strong- the other end of the scale. Big nasty AFL key defenders like Craig Bolton or Ryan Hargrave would put him through the floor. Scarlett would puree him. And I don't know if it's the 5kg or a niggle that's increased his turning circle but he's not nimble.

That said it's not insurmountable. If he can work to keep the ball in front of him and dish as he absorbs the tackle, hunt down dancing defenders like the dogs they are and throw himself at the ground contests he can be a player. But career to date he's shown a distinct aversion to these practices, particularly the absorbing punishment bit. Very shy lad.
 
Dyer'ere said:
Pettifer would jump straight over him as would Schulz or JR. And which of them can he beat in a footrace? How's he going to find space at the level.

Hughes would slaughter JR in a foot race.
 
jb03 said:
Dyer'ere said:
Pettifer would jump straight over him as would Schulz or JR. And which of them can he beat in a footrace? How's he going to find space at the level.

Hughes would slaughter JR in a foot race.
jb I see you have a fair old question mark on JR speed an I must say I agree he is no Deledio but tell me how often do's a player take a mark inside the forward 50 on pure speed alone,JR has many many other attributes that will make hima very good player for us.

A little of the track but I was just thinking about the critisism JR recieved from the Granny on the weekend an I just wanted to point out JR kicked 30 plus goals for Coburg I think,had an impact at AfL now if we compare his season to Gumbelton,Hansen,Brown I think JR would come out in front
 
Tigers of Old said:
jb03 said:
Dyer'ere said:
Pettifer would jump straight over him as would Schulz or JR. And which of them can he beat in a footrace? How's he going to find space at the level.

Hughes would slaughter JR in a foot race.

Speculation or fact jughead bourke.

Got their respective draft camp performances?
Actually if it was one on one on the lead JR would kill him as JR would put on a little body contact an I doubt poor old steamer could handle it ;D
 
CC TIGER said:
jb03 said:
Dyer'ere said:
Pettifer would jump straight over him as would Schulz or JR. And which of them can he beat in a footrace? How's he going to find space at the level.

Hughes would slaughter JR in a foot race.
jb I see you have a fair old question mark on JR speed an I must say I agree he is no Deledio but tell me how often do's a player take a mark inside the forward 50 on pure speed alone,JR has many many other attributes that will make hima very good player for us.

A little of the track but I was just thinking about the critisism JR recieved from the Granny on the weekend an I just wanted to point out JR kicked 30 plus goals for Coburg I think,had an impact at AfL now if we compare his season to Gumbelton,Hansen,Brown I think JR would come out in front

id say quite often actually

look at a bloke like rusling, turns like a truck but because of his speed he is very hard to stop when given a bit of space

when a defender is all over jack he wont be able to break away so he will be forced to take the contested grab which is getting harder nowadays because of lots of numbers in defence

he will be a solid player but lack of size and pace will stop him from being a number 1 forward

as for hughes a player like him who is a lead up target needs to have superior work rate which he doesnt and unless he gets it he will be playing for coburg reserves for a bit longer

it amazes me how we have a bloke like richo who is one of the hardest working forwards in the league and then we also have schulz/hughes who dont understand the meaning of "workrate"
 
Tigers must look at Hurley next year to play either CHB or CHF and must seriously do what they can to nab a chance at Rance this year as well as a player such as a Tate Pears or Simpson.
 
craig said:
Tigers must look at Hurley next year to play either CHB or CHF and must seriously do what they can to nab a chance at Rance this year as well as a player such as a Tate Pears or Simpson.

Agree Craig, Hurley will be a good pick up. I've had my eyes on him all year, a very good contributor throught the year for the NK.
 
It is not as simple as a pure race of speed to mark the ball on the lead,Mal Micheal has been one of the best full backs of recent times an Mal though not slow is certainly not quick,Of course one of his key reasons to his success was the team he played in,one for the zones they were able to set up but also things like midfield pressure so that the ball was not been delivered lace out each time to his opponent.

Position of the full back is always so important too, simple things such as making sure a left footer gets it in the wrong pocket,little nudges,keeping the opponent of balance,reading the play,talking the talk,irritating,team blocking,strength,judgement of the drop zone an so on..

Jack for me is very switched on in the footy smarts department,as well as having great judgment,plenty of courage,great hands,great leap,a great ability to bring his team mates in to the game as well as been very very good when the ball is on the deck.

I dont disagree that speed is highly important and a real bonus for a forward but I havent seen to many top forwards who relied just on speed,the true champions usually have it all but I dont think there's been any champions who were just simply quick
 
geoffryprettyboy said:
craig said:
Tigers must look at Hurley next year to play either CHB or CHF and must seriously do what they can to nab a chance at Rance this year as well as a player such as a Tate Pears or Simpson.

Agree Craig, Hurley will be a good pick up. I've had my eyes on him all year, a very good contributor throught the year for the NK.


In a Perfect World for 09.


B Thursfield Rance *******

HB ******* Hurley *******


Beauty of this set up including possibly a Tate Pears as well as Riewoldt Hughes and Polak allows the tigers much better versatility.

Hurley can play KP forward as well as he does down back.

Thursfield in 3rd tall role which he is best suited physically and a specialist tall 195 cm Full Back in Rance now thats the core of a quality defence not one including Moore and McGuane which lacks size strength skill and menace,.
 
craig said:
Tigers must look at Hurley next year to play either CHB or CHF and must seriously do what they can to nab a chance at Rance this year as well as a player such as a Tate Pears or Simpson.
I agree that we need another tall defender, but putting both first round picks for the next 2 years plus a 2nd rounder into key defenders is a bit much. One top class defender should be enough, use the rest for class mids and forwards, the type that win you games.

Even some of the best defences in the game only have one A grade tall defender.
 
Tigers of Old said:
jb03 said:
Dyer'ere said:
Pettifer would jump straight over him as would Schulz or JR. And which of them can he beat in a footrace? How's he going to find space at the level.
Hughes would slaughter JR in a foot race.
Speculation or fact jughead bourke.
Got their respective draft camp performances?

Don't need draft camp performances, just watch the footy. JR's attempts to chase defenders are actually quite comical.



Though I concede CC's points about JR's many other attributes such as his uncanny goal sense why is why this post is laughable:
Leysy Days said:
Leysy's realises he's advocated it for a long time, but JR has CHB written all him.