Cleve Hughes - Premiership Player

[IrockZ]

It is not as simple as a pure race of speed to mark the ball on the lead,Mal Micheal has been one of the best full backs of recent times an Mal though not slow is certainly not quick,Of course one of his key reasons to his success was the team he played in,one for the zones they were able to set up but also things like midfield pressure so that the ball was not been delivered lace out each time to his opponent.

Position of the full back is always so important too, simple things such as making sure a left footer gets it in the wrong pocket,little nudges,keeping the opponent of balance,reading the play,talking the talk,irritating,team blocking,strength,judgement of the drop zone an so on..

Jack for me is very switched on in the footy smarts department,as well as having great judgment,plenty of courage,great hands,great leap,a great ability to bring his team mates in to the game as well as been very very good when the ball is on the deck.

I dont disagree that speed is highly important and a real bonus for a forward but I havent seen to many top forwards who relied just on speed,the true champions usually have it all but I dont think there's been any champions who were just simply quick

all the points you raise are the reasons jack will become a very solid footballer

but to become a grade you need everything

 

[craig]

My perfect solution Zero at this draft is to trade up pick 18 with a player to obtain another top 10 pick.

This second top 10 pick say for instance #9 from the Saints would allow for the Tigers to address their midfield and defensive woes with a Cotchin at #2 and then at #9 possibly allow for the Tigers to grab Rance to address our abhorrant defensive stocks.

It wouldnt come easily by any means but its not impossible.

Hard ball is what the tigers must play to actually get the list moving forward.

 

[the claw]

quite clearly kpd and ruckmen are the two most pressing needs we have.
pick 2 should go on cotchin ebert masten. thats your inside mid taken care of and probably best player available taken.

so then it talls. sullivan should be about the mark at 18 so theres a ruckman. we will still need to take one late or rookie. also would look to get an experienced one in the psd or trade.

then your talls. pears collier should also be around at pick 19 so theres a kpd.

at 33 talls who should be about the mark are notte gourdis tarrant mckenna and boumann.

so with our first 4 picks we take an inside mid a ruckman and 2 genuine tall kpp. the trouble with this is they may not be the best available after our first pick.

one scenario is we fix one area ie mids. 2 cotchin ebert masten. 18 and 19 millar grimes veszpremi mcginnity polkinghorne.

or ruckmen pick 2 mcevoy 18 sullivan. then a mid or kpp with 19. or we could target kpp like 2 rance 18 pears and 19 on ruckman sullivan or mids millar grimes etc.

 

[the claw]

My perfect solution Zero at this draft is to trade up pick 18 with a player to obtain another top 10 pick.

This second top 10 pick say for instance #9 from the Saints would allow for the Tigers to address their midfield woes with a Cotchin and then #9 possibly allow for the Tigers to grab Rance to address our abhorrant defensive stocks.

It wouldnt come easily by any means but its not impossible.

Hard ball is what the tigers must play to actually get the list moving forward.

i agree another top 10 pick would be great another top 20 pick would be great.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Don't need draft camp performances, just watch the footy. JR's attempts to chase defenders are actually quite comical.

JR's not quick but I didn't realise Hughes excelled with regards to his work rate. Seems everyone else is missing that too. ;D

How you can bag Riewoldt and defend Hughes is what's comical particularly as one has just finished his first season yet shown far more than the other this year.

Though I concede CC's points about JR's many other attributes such as his uncanny goal sense why is why this post is laughable:

Again please james brown.

Laughable? :

He reads the play well.
Plenty of forwards have gone on to become excellent CHBs.
Do I need to list them all for you?

Why is it such an implausible thought, particularly given his seeming lack of pace?

 

[jb03]

Don't need draft camp performances, just watch the footy. JR's attempts to chase defenders are actually quite comical.

JR's not quick but I didn't realise Hughes excelled with regards to his work rate. Seems everyone else is missing that too. ;D

How you can bag Riewoldt and defend Hughes is what's comical particularly as one has just finished his first season yet shown far more than the other this year.

Though I concede CC's points about JR's many other attributes such as his uncanny goal sense why is why this post is laughable:

Again please james brown.

Laughable? :

He reads the play well.
Plenty of forwards have gone on to become excellent CHBs.
Do I need to list them all for you?

Why is it such an implausible thought, particularly given his seeming lack of pace?

Because he will be 10 metres behind his opponent. IT is far easier in lower levels of footy when forwards contend with mongrel punts floating over their heads. Imagine Reiwoldt trying to keep up with on a Rusling or Hansen type.

And yes I would like you to list them all for me, ALL of them. ;D

 

[Tigers of Old]

Don't need draft camp performances, just watch the footy. JR's attempts to chase defenders are actually quite comical.

JR's not quick but I didn't realise Hughes excelled with regards to his work rate. Seems everyone else is missing that too. ;D

How you can bag Riewoldt and defend Hughes is what's comical particularly as one has just finished his first season yet shown far more than the other this year.

Though I concede CC's points about JR's many other attributes such as his uncanny goal sense why is why this post is laughable:

Again please james brown.

Laughable? :

He reads the play well.
Plenty of forwards have gone on to become excellent CHBs.
Do I need to list them all for you?

Why is it such an implausible thought, particularly given his seeming lack of pace?

Because he will be 10 metres behind his opponent. IT is far easier in lower levels of footy when forwards contend with mongrel punts floating over their heads. Imagine Reiwoldt trying to keep up with on a Rusling or Hansen type.

And yes I would like you to list them all for me, ALL of them. ;D

As I said he reads the play well.
A good CHB who can do that doesn't need to be lightning quick if they can use their smarts to see what's coming.
It's not the same as a FB where closing speed is crucial to cut off the lead. MaGuire isn't quick for example but he's an effective CHB. Speed is less necessary as it's generally more conjested at CHB.

We have a gaping whole at CHB. It's worth a shot and if it doesn't work out it's worth it for his 'education'.

I won't list them all but here's some name for you to chew on.. ;D

Glenndinning(sp)
Knights
Leppitsch
Cornes
Croad
etc.

All played forward before making the move to CHB.

 

[jb03]

Is that all you've got!

Tigers of Old: Liiiiiffft!!


Note also JR is too small to play on heavyweight forwards.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Note also JR is too small to play on heavyweight forwards.

Perhaps yet but he's listed at 192cm and 86 kgs.

The kids still only 18 with one pre season under his belt. A bit early to make that call.

 

[checkside]

Everyone turned on Riewoldt pretty quickly.

 

[Leysy Days]

Though I concede CC's points about JR's many other attributes such as his uncanny goal sense why is why this post is laughable:

Leysy's realises he's advocated it for a long time, but JR has CHB written all him.

Bear Bear Bear where do we start,

JR's lacks pace sure but is courageous, a brilliant reader of the play, good one grab mark, excellent below his knees & uses it well off both feet.

Similar to Joel Bowden his lack of pace will tell more on the forward line where he's matched up by players that have him covered for height & pace (i.e Lonegan on the weekend). On the backline his opponents are chosen by us out at CHB where his aforementioned excellent reading of the play & ability to play the angles will benefit him.

Also going forward Jack will need to have many strings to his bow to become a true bonafide player for us, for this reason along with the fact they have a similar skill-set the one player JR should be modelling his game on & strive to become like is definately Chad Cornes.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Everyone turned on Riewoldt pretty quickly.

Since when did jb count as everyone? He represents two opinions at most. ;D

Jack's very young. A baby. And other than a lack of pace is nothing like Cleve Hughes who is up against it.

 

[jb03]

Everyone turned on Riewoldt pretty quickly.

Since when did jb count as everyone? He represents two opinions at most. ;D

Jack's very young. A baby. And other than a lack of pace is nothing like Cleve Hughes who is up against it.

Haven't turned, just alarmed that for all the wraps how slow he is. Just don't want to over rate our players too quickly.

jd, I think officially it is; one jb opinion = half of everyone else's.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack just needs a summer of sprintwork and weights. He's just a skinny kid with plenty of footy nous, given some time to develop he will be a very good player. So lets just sit back and shut the hell up from bagging and wait till he's had a chance to grow.

 

[hptiger]

Dont forget talls take longer to mature, Cleve just has to mature and learn how to play accountable tuff footy the rest will come naturally.

 

[Dyer'ere]

jd, I think officially it is; one jb opinion = half of everyone else's.

Yeah me too. That's why we have to give twice as many.

BAKTiger was telling me that The Steamee had glandular fever earlier in the year. Have we been too hard on him?

Nup. ;D

 

[jb03]

jd, I think officially it is; one jb opinion = half of everyone else's.

Yeah me too. That's why we have to give twice as many.

BAKTiger was telling me that The Steamee had glandular fever earlier in the year. Have we been too hard on him?

Nup. ;D

Glandular Fever!! A lesser man would have retired - what courage.

 

[Jason King]

Glandular Fever!! A lesser man would have retired - what courage.

Effects people differently, some stay bedridden for weeks.

 

[frickenel]

Richmond's problem is that we continually hold on to this past champion whose heyday was a decade ago who, every year he plays, holds back the development of out junior forwards for another year.

But that's a gripe that I have with Wallace, but he did the same thing at Footscray with Chris Grant. Looks like he's learnt nothing from that time. Anyway, that's another story.

To summarise:
Schulz - the one dimensional, kick it to me, FF.
Hughes - a genuine forward who needs a bit more opportunity & maybe a bit more killer instinct.

Imagine being a key forward at Richmond knowing there are 2 key factors:
1. The dinosaur who won't retire.
2. The love child that's just arrived.

And you're in between & not getting a go.

One thing that boosted my already heady respect for Sheeds was 1992 when he pensioned off all his key players of the 80s - Daniher, Madden & VanderHaar - and gave opportunities to the likes of Hird, Fletcher & Somerville.
It delivered him a premiership a year later.

So it's Richo's fault that two of our young key forwards have questionable workrates? Pettifer kicks most of his goals as a lead up forward, as did Delidio. If Hughes and Schulz got on their bike and presented half as much as Richo, the club would be infinitely better for it.

I'm guessing that it's Richo's fault for hogging up the Coburg forward line that prevented Schulz and Hughes having any influence? Hold it a sec, Hughes didn't even manage to make the senior Coburg side? Bloody hell, we better delist Richo before any more key forwards go kickless for Coburg!

"1. The dinosaur who won't retire." - this said about the forward who still towels up the best fullbacks. Who every leading fullback will name as one of their hardest opponents because of his size, speed and ground coverage! Name your best defenders in the competition. "Glass, Rutton, Scarlett and fletcher"! Look at Richo's performances against all of these guys relative to other key forwards!

One passage of play last quater versus Melbourne typifies what i'm talking about. Ball is kicked into the forward pocket for Richmond. Richo flies, but instead of attempting to mark, knocks it down to Pettifer. Ball bounces once in front of Pettifer who grabs it and screws it around his body into the goal square, and whose down there taking the mark? The same Dinosaur that did the palming seemingly a few seconds back. The same dinosaur that won our 400m heats pre-season.


Here's a statistical comparison between Richo and Jonothan Brown, bear in mind that Brown has Black, Lappin, Adcock and more sticking the ball down his throat!

These stats are versus the best defenders in the competition in Darren Glass, Ben Rutton, Matthew Scarlett and Dustin Fletcher. I didn't include Richo's near best on ground performance second time around versus Essendon (round 21) as fletcher wasn't playing. Bear in mind both Fletcher and Scarlett weren't always the direct opponent of Richo or Brown, however they influence the contested ball be becoming the 3rd tall up. Second time around, such was Sheedy's respect for Richo (the ageing Dinosaur) that he used one of his own key forwards as a loose man in defense in a futile attempt to curb Richo's influence on the game. Lets also put aside the fact that Richo's first game against Essendon was played with his skull half smashed in.

Defender: D.Glass
K M H G B
Richo 12 14 6 0 0
Richo 14 15 8 3 2
Brown 10 9 2 4 0


Versus M.Scarlett
K M H G B
Richo 12 7 1 2 2
Richo 16 10 2 4 2
BRown 7 4 6 2 1
Brown 13 11 4 7 2


Versus B.Rutton
K M H G B
Brown 6 5 3 2 1
Brown 7 6 3 1 1
Richo 6 4 2 3 2


Versus D.Fletcher
K M H G B
Brown 14 9 5 1 3
Richo 13 11 2 4 2

AVERAGES VERSUS ALL 4 KEY DEFENDERS

Games Goals Marks
Richo 6 16 61
Brown 6 17 44


AVERAGES VERSUS ONLY RUTTON AND GLASS (DIRECT OPPONENTS)

Games Goals Marks
Richo 3 6 33
Brown 3 7 20


It might be time to retire Jono Brown as well, or play him off the bench. He's obviously a spent force too!

Again bear in mind how much more quality ball Brown gets ahead of Richo.

And when considering anything about Richo, don't forget he's the guy still standing out signing autographs while the other players hit the showers an hour earlier.

He's not just a football freak, he's a cracking guy.

Mid year, my mother was to have a photo taken at a function with Shane Tuck. Tucky wasn't able to make it at the time and mum being a stauch Richmond supporter was a little dissapointed. I approached Richo and asked if he minded standing in for the photo since Tucky wasn't there. We'd spend a good half hour earlier chatting to him so he'd met my mum. He gave a big grin and said he'd love too.

When mum went up with the photographer ready, Richo put his arm around her shoulder and said "You've made my day"!

It took nothing for him to make the comment or the effort, but my mum was stoked. As we drove home she must have repeated to me 2 dozen time "He said i made his day"!

God knows how many fans Richo has touched like this, but i take my hat off to the guy and get sick of Leprachauns with little man syndrome taking a swipe at him every chance they get.

I for one hope he's dominating our forward line till he's 38. The club is a better place for it, and our games a hell of a lot more entertaining!

 

[Disco08]

Good post frick, with you all the way.