Club culture.

[DancingHomea]

Was watching the replay of AFL Teams on Foxsports tonight and caught there discussion of club cultures. They mentioned the cultures at a couple of other teams before mentioning Richmond and the current culture which was of a group of individuals playing for themselves. Was interested at comments by Brian Taylor who said the current culture had started back in the end of 1982 when the club had until then a culture of playing for the club and not for themselves before the club tried to get rid of to many 1980 premiership players to quickly instead of slowly getting rid of them over a number of years . When this happened the players started playing for themselves more than for the team. Since then as new players come in they pick up this culture from current players causing it be around at the club currently.

Anyone else see this and do you agree with it ?

 

[rexy]

No doubt our culture changed around that time and I felt that not finding the extra $ for Rainsey (I think that was the issue) was poor by the club.

 

[IanG]

Was watching the replay of AFL Teams on Foxsports tonight and caught there discussion of club cultures. They mentioned the cultures at a couple of other teams before mentioning Richmond and the current culture which was of a group of individuals playing for themselves. Was interested at comments by Brian Taylor who said the current culture had started back in the end of 1982 when the club had until then a culture of playing for the club and not for themselves before the club tried to get rid of to many 1980 premiership players to quickly instead of slowly getting rid of them over a number of years . When this happened the players started playing for themselves more than for the team. Since then as new players come in they pick up this culture from current players causing it be around at the club currently.

Anyone else see this and do you agree with it ?

Probably but it was regained in the Northey years then lost again gradually.

 

[frickenel]

I'd doubt that any culture issues from the early 80's would be effecting our culture now! For example, i don't think there would have been a team in the competition that was playing more for the gurnsey than Richmond in 1994 - 1995 under Northey!

What we're experiencing now, stems from a culture that's developed some time since then! As much as anything, i feel we've become used to losing and particularly with Frawley, who stacked the backline when we were 5 goals down - come to accept losing, and just tried to contain the loss!

You just have to look at games last year where we've almost thrown leads of 8 goals because we are so intreverted we start to defend leads instead of going for the kill!

We threw the Saints game, threw a win against the Dogs, almost threw the Port game and the Brissi game, did our best to throw it against Essendon and Melbourne first time around!

If there's a culture issue, it's

1) Way too introverted
2) Tactically practicin the flashy running style, and paying no heed in training to the 1% ers which seems to be exactly what wins games in modern football!

 

[bringbakflemmo]

agrred Ian G . Northey was the last coach who seemed to have the Tiges playing for one another and with aggressio., he did the same at Melbourne too and at his other country clubs.
Sheeds did the same when he had a young side at Essendon before he went off on a tangent trying toake his pet projects work.isuch as his love of indigenous footballers, persisting with Courtney Johns etc

 

[Freezer]

Our culture is about as strong as this lot:

 

[Massai]

Yeah, it probably started back after 1982, when Rainsey was packed off to Collingwood and Tony Jewell as coach got the sack. Richmond back then had a hell of a lot of success for some 15 years, then it all imploded and here we are 27 years later, probably worse off.

To me the club's culture begins with its history and its tradition's. They are to be passed on to those younger by those older with pride and passion. That is the way the military do it, that is the way those that play with the "baggy green" do it, that is the way those who play golf's majors do it and so on.

Somewhere along the line, it seems that the culture at Richmond has become lost in the fog of all the infighting, backstabbing politic's at Board level, insufficient funds to attract and retain the right players or give the players the right development and of course we as supporters probably can take a rap over our collective knuckles as well for being so demanding and expecting instant results.

For Richmond to become a force once again on the playing field, off field peace has to reign. The Football Department (whoever that maybe) must have the necessary funds, resources at its disposal to develop the players accordingly. The players themselves need to be told what the history of the club is, what is expected of them as players and that expectation has to be reinforced by the players themselves making a firm committment to their mates on the field. Once all of the above is in place, hopefully just hopefully the results will follow, but I know one thing Richmond have a bloody long way to go before they can expect to make it to finals football on a regular basis.

 

[Tango]

we have enough talent at the club but we dont train hard enough we dont fight hard enough, we arn't fit enoughand we simply dont want it enough - thats a combination of culture and coaching

 

[yandb]

lets not forget terry has had 4.5 years at the helm to fix this issue if it an issue at all. he made the calls , he kept some players delisted others. it is his coaching panel and his game plan. he is at the coalface and would be aware of poor attitude by players. terry has had the power for 4.5 years to fix any problems but we are still struggling at the wrong end of the ladder.

so rather than blame some mystical culture issue, the major portion of the blame should lay with terry who had had it within his power to adress any issue with the playing group.

 

[tigerjoe]

we have enough talent at the club but we dont train hard enough we dont fight hard enough, we arn't fit enoughand we simply dont want it enough - thats a combination of culture and coaching

Spot on Tango.

 

[Shers]

Was watching the replay of AFL Teams on Foxsports tonight and caught there discussion of club cultures. They mentioned the cultures at a couple of other teams before mentioning Richmond and the current culture which was of a group of individuals playing for themselves. Was interested at comments by Brian Taylor who said the current culture had started back in the end of 1982 when the club had until then a culture of playing for the club and not for themselves before the club tried to get rid of to many 1980 premiership players to quickly instead of slowly getting rid of them over a number of years . When this happened the players started playing for themselves more than for the team. Since then as new players come in they pick up this culture from current players causing it be around at the club currently.

Anyone else see this and do you agree with it ?

I don't think the club tried to get rid of the players. Speaking to Bryan Wood, he said he, and other players, such as Rainsey, wanted to leave because they couldn't stand Bourkey as the coach. Magnificent as a player and a bloke, but terrible to play under. I might add Rainsey left also because he heard how much Maurice Rioli was getting paid, and he expected to be getting a similar amount. BT was probably in a similar situation.

 

[brigadiertiger]

lets not forget terry has had 4.5 years at the helm to fix this issue if it an issue at all. he made the calls , he kept some players delisted others. it is his coaching panel and his game plan. he is at the coalface and would be aware of poor attitude by players. terry has had the power for 4.5 years to fix any problems but we are still struggling at the wrong end of the ladder.

so rather than blame some mystical culture issue, the major portion of the blame should lay with terry who had had it within his power to adress any issue with the playing group.

Mystical?? Joel Bowden saying they wanted to be competitive with Geelong should have set alarm bells ringing for every supporter of this once proud club. Being competitive is good enough and it has been that way for to long now. Bowden should have been telling us that the players wanted to win but no this senior member of the team laid it out for all to see that the players and the club accept mediocrity.

We need to change it and that means hard choices have to be made. First and foremost is a coach who is willing to tell it like it is if they also know what it takes to win a premiership as a player all the better if he has tasted same success in a coaching role even better still pretty sure I have adequately described Hardwick. Another choice I think the club might want to attempt to achieve is getting Neil Balme to the club to head up the football department and drop Cameron to the list management role that we recruited him for.

Would also have to be aggresive in both delisting and trading hard decisions are needed because like it or not there is something rotten within the club that has covered different coaches, boards and playing groups.

 

[LandyJessKeane]

Guys like Dennis Collins got a heap to come to the club and players became disenchanted. Brian Taylor called it the most expensive perm running around for the Tigers.

Phillip Walsh had one good year at Collingwood for his fat contract. That will always have an impact. Wonder whether it affected Marchensani at the scum (Carlton) aswell.

They played Rainsey. I was angry that he was just after a fair deal.

In the eighties it was alot of rejects and blokes who were lured for money.

Wallace had a bad experience in his year at the club to the point I was suprised he came back.

Remember him saying the Bulldogs saved him.

Cant believe culture can return after Northey from that era, I think it was just Walls and Gieshens incompetence.

Our ability to pick talent and hold high draft picks in the past is our real problem. Where is Beck these days.