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Clubs 2006 draft ratings/Assessing ND performances (merged)

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Nov 25, 2003
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These are the ratings from AFLinsider.net
We rated a B which I thought was a tad harsh.
Can't argue about Essendons A+, but reckon they've been kind to Port Adelaide and Sydney.
All speculation at this point,but Im curious to see what some of the junior watchers opinions are.


AFL Draft GradesNovember 25th 2006 12:12
Essendon: Grade A plus

The Bombers are the winners of the draft because they ended up with three top 10-worthy players. Gumbleton is the big, versatile player that Sheedy likes. It was either Gumbleton, Hansen or Leuenberger at this pick and Essendon couldn't lose. Jetta may even have been a player that Essendon briefly considered at pick 2, so to get him at 18 is huge. They wouldn't have thought they could get both Jetta and Hislop but they did. Hislop at 20 is just as big a steal as Jetta was. Combine Hislop with Watson and Stanton and the Bombers have a young midfield with some size and ability. Essendon also have the veteran play of the Johnsons and with good ruck depth they will have a dominant midfield. Davey is another reason to give the Bombers a high mark, when the Bombers were winning in the past they always had a contribution from one or two small forwards, Davey is ready to step in and score goals.

2 Scott Gumbleton, 197cm 93kg (Peel)
18 Leroy Jetta, 177 76 (South Fremantle)
20 Tom Hislop, 184 86 (Tassie Mariners)
36 Alwyn Davey, 176 78 (South Adelaide)
42 Bachar Houli, 181 89 (Western)
47 Kyle Reimers, 184 78 (Peel)
68 PASS


Adelaide: Grade A

When a team says they need key position prospects it isn't always easy finding them. But Sellar dropped nicely to them and then Tippett was another unexpected bonus. Twelve months ago Sellar was in the running to go at pick 1, so the Crows got a steal. McKay is midfield help in a few years while Campbell can help next season. Gill is a bargain, and with Hentschel to miss the season Gill will fill his role around centre half forward.

14 James Sellar, 195 90 (Glenelg)
32 Kurt Tippett, 201 96 (Southport)
48 David MacKay, 181 69 (Oakleigh)
64 Nick Gill, 192 90 (North Adelaide)
78 Bryce Campbell, 180 80 (Norwood)


Hawthorn: Grade A

The Hawks drafted 5 players who should all play next season. There is also a lot of versatility among the players. Thorp can do anything, Renouf is a ruckman and tall defender, Morton can play at either end, Kennedy could be a big midfielder or played on a flank at either end, while Moss could be played in the centre or a forward pocket.

6 Mitchell Thorp, 194 86 (Tassie Mariners)
24 Brent Renouf, 200 93 (Southport)
33 Jarryd Morton, 191 81 (Claremont)
40 Josh P. Kennedy, 186 88 (Sandringham Dragons)
56 Garry Moss, 180 70 (East Perth)
72 PASS


Geelong: Grade A

Hawkins was worth a top 3 pick, as was Selwood, so Geelong had a successful day. Djerrkura might be a bit of a reach, but if Geelong really wanted him they had to use pick 25 as 41 was already used on Hawkins. Not that Djerrkura won’t help them next season, and he should get in a few games for them next season.

7 Joel Selwood, 182 80 (Bendigo)
25 Nathan Djerrkura, 176 77 (Wanderers)
41 Tom Hawkins, 197 95 (Sandringham Dragons)
57 Simon Hogan, 181 68 (Geelong Falcons)


Brisbane: Grade A

Leuenberger could be the best player from this draft, if you go ahead 5 years and people are looking back on the 2006 draft it could Leuenberger who should have gone number 1. Proud wasn't expected to be available at 22 so the Lions got a steal with their second rounder. Pick 34 was acquired for Akermanis and they used that pick on a player who can also kick goals and do many skilful things on the ground, but Schmidt won't be doing handstands.

4 Matthew Leuenberger, 203 93 (East Perth)
22 Albert Proud, 180 83 (Mt Gravatt)
34 Chris Schmidt, 188 81 (West Adelaide)
38 James Hawksley, 186 73 (Peel)
54 Matt Tyler, 194 82 (North Ballarat)
70 Sam Sheldon, 183 79 (Oakleigh)


West Coast: Grade A

An amazing draft for a team that just won the premiership. The Eagles may have been deciding between M Brown and MacKenzie at pick 16, and in the end they got both of them. They may have missed out on Morton but they couldn't draft him over Brown and MacKenzie.

16 Mitchell Brown, 193 90 (North Ballarat)
29 Eric MacKenzie, 196 91 (Claremont)
43 Tim Houlihan, 189 74 (North Ballarat)
50 Will Schofield, 195 82 (Geelong Falcons)
80 James Thomson, 194 81 (Claremont)


Carlton: Grade B plus

They get Gibbs so it was a draft that improved their list a lot. The Blues decided that Hampson was the best ruckman out of Queensland, so this pick will be measured by how well Hampson develops compared to Renouf and Tippett. Grigg is underrated and he should be a valuable player for them. If Austin makes Gibbs happier at Carlton then the pick is worth it, but they did take the tall defender when ruck prospects Goldstein and Currie were still available. Benjamin and Anderson are a similar size, but play differently, and they could be competing for a spot in the backline. Benjamin is the player more likely to become a regular player for them. Carlton missed Sheldon, but will have a chance at Williams and Johnston in the rookie draft.

1 Bryce Gibbs, 187 78 (Glenelg)
17 Sean Hampson, 201 93 (Mt Gravatt)
19 Shaun Grigg, 190 79 (North Ballarat)
35 Mark Austin, 193 88 (Glenelg)
51 Clint Benjamin, 189 81 (Claremont)
67 Joe Anderson 188 81 (Darwin)
81 PASS


Collingwood: B plus

There is nothing wrong with drafting big and Collingwood went key position with their first three picks. Five years from now one of the best, and most athletic, tall defensive combinations could be Reid and Brown. Brown as the full back and Reid as an attacking centre half back. They might be getting Bryan, or Keating, in the preseason draft but they still could have added a ruckman with one of their picks here.

8 Ben Reid, 196 82 (Murray)
10 Nathan Brown, 194 87 (North Ballarat)
28 Chris Dawes, 194 96 (Sandringham Dragons)
44 Brad *smile*, 182 69 (East Fremantle)
63 Tyson Goldsack, 191 82 (Gippsland)
75 PASS


Kangaroos: Grade B plus

Probably happy they didn't have to make the Hansen versus Gumbleton decision, and in the end they got the player they would have wanted. Hansen should play every game next season and improve the Kangaroos in the backline. Urquhart before Proud and Petterd was a risky pick. Goldstein could be a great pick, they didn't need a ruckman but they couldn't pass on his potential. Thomas adds some much needed speed and Edwards should add some much needed goal kicking.

3 Lachlan Hansen, 197 90 (Gippsland)
21 Gavin Urquhart, 181 80 (Morningside)
37 Todd Goldstein, 201 106 (Oakleigh)
53 Lindsay Thomas, 180 76 (Port Adelaide)
69 Ben Warren, 186 78 (Zillmere Eagles)
82 Aaron Edwards, 184 88 (Frankston)


Richmond: Grade B

Riewoldt was a very good pick and something to watch next season is where he plays. Maybe he is a tall defender if Gaspar misses some games, but it would be a lot more fun to watch if he joined Richardson in the forward line. Edwards is the classic Wallace pick, he is small and he can run. Connors is a midfielder who plays a bit taller than he is so Richmond have some size there with Tuck, Delidio and also Johnson. They lost Stafford so a ruckman might have been a good pick later in the draft, but maybe they will address that in the preseason draft.

13 Jack Riewoldt, 192 86 (Tassie Mariners)
26 Shane Edwards, 180 69 (North Adelaide)
58 Daniel Connors, 183 79 (Bendigo)
60 Carl Peterson, 183 70 (Claremont)
73 Andrew Collins, 184 71 (Bendigo)
84 PASS



Fremantle: Grade B

The Dockers have said that they ranked their picks in the top 30 players for the draft, so even drafting with lower picks they got quality. Not only were the picks local players but would have also been the best available at each pick. The Dockers have a lot of depth in the midfield but it wouldn't be a surprise if Collard and O'Brien managed a few games for the Dockers next season.

31 Clayton Collard, 182 86 (South Fremantle)
52 Brock O'Brien, 181 75 (Peel)
77 Calib Mourish, 190 85 (Towns)


Sydney: Grade B

Daniel O'Keefe can kick goals and also get a lot of possessions, so he sounds a bit like Ryan O'Keefe. Currie and White are two different ruck prospects and the Swans made the right decision to draft help in that area.

15 Daniel O'Keefe, 184 74 (Geelong Falcons)
49 Daniel Currie, 200 91 (Northern Knights)
65 Peter Faulks, 192 74 (Calder)
79 Jesse White, 196 101 (Southport)


Port Adelaide: Grade C plus

If Boak doesn't become a star there will be a lot of questions about what Port was doing as they took him over Thorp, Selwood and Sellar. The Power should know more about Stewart than most teams, and they will have had their reasons for taking him over MacKenzie or Renouf. Gray and Krakouer will add even more variety to the Power forward line.

5 Travis Boak, 183 76 (Geelong Falcons)
23 Paul Stewart, 190 82 (Woodville-West Torrens)
39 Nathan Krakouer, 182 61 (Claremont)
55 Robert Gray, 182 82 (Oakleigh)
71 Justin Westhoff, 199 83 (Central Districts)
83 Ryan Williams, 188 89 (Geelong Falcons)
86 David Rodan, 171 83 (Richmond)
88 PASS


St Kilda: Grade C plus

Their best player from this draft could be Jarryd Allen, so he was a real bargain at pick 59. Armitage is an interesting choice, and they picked him over Hislop, Proud and Jetta. Armitage should be very good, but for the Saints they will need him to be better than those midfielders that they chose Armitage over. Not sure why they would bring back Ferguson, they need a bigger player than him and there were several available to draft even late in the draft.

9 David Armitage, 184 80 (Morningside)
27 Brad Howard, 181 72 (Redlands)
59 Jarryd Allen, 193 88 (Calder)
74 Matthew Ferguson, 187 87 (St Kilda)
85 PASS
87 PASS
89 PASS


Western Bulldogs: Grade C plus

Everitt could be anything, from a full back to a wingman, but for the Bulldogs this was a draft to help them a few years from now. The Bulldogs were a team that were expected to draft a young ruckman but that didn't happen. All the picks here could have the project label put on them, so it will be a couple of years for a real result from this draft.

11 Andrejs Everitt, 193 77 (Dandenong)
45 Brennan Stack, 184 76 (Perth)
61 Josh Hill, 186 72 (Claremont)
66 Malcom Lynch, 178 65 (NSW/ACT Rams)
76 Paul O'Shea, 192 82 (Redlands)


Melbourne: Grade C

They passed on Sellar, but Frawley should be worth the first round pick but that will take a few years. Petterd is a good pick in the second round, but a small defender wasn't a big need. Maybe the Demons could have added another ruckman, and Tippett and Goldstein were still there when they picked Petterd. Garland is another project key position player. This draft won't help next season, or the one after that, but in a few more years if the players do develop into stars the draft grade will be higher.

12 James Frawley, 193 81 (North Ballarat)
30 Ricky Petterd, 185 77 (Broadbeach)
46 Colin Garland, 191 85 (Tassie Mariners)
62 Isack Weetra, 182 78 (Port Adelaide Magpies)
 
Re: Clubs 2006 draft ratings

Gee the Saints had 3 passess. They must be in salary cap strife as can;t see them using all those picks in PSD.

Fair rating I guess from an independent source. Be good to see a review like this every year for the previous years.
 
Assessing clubs' ND performances

It's always interesting to read how well we feel we went at this point, in regard to the National Draft. It got me thinking about measuring performance on this important day. It seems so subjective.

I get a feeling that people think us and Essendon did well but Collingwood made a mess of it.

I'm wondering what the learned draft/junior watchers in here think of the performance of our club compared to others. I'm not talking about the picks clubs had - but how well they did with those picks.

Which club(s) nailed ND day?
Which club(s) ballsed it up?
What do you guys think?
 
Re: Assessing clubs' ND performances

Gutfeel from looking at the players that the various clubs obtained:

Adelaide - did well
Brisbane - did well
Carlton - very well
Collingwood - did well
Essendon - very well
Freo - ok
Geelong - did well
Hawthorn - did well
Kangaroos - ok
Melbourne - ok
Port - ok, some questions
Richmond - did well
StKilda - did well
Sydney - ok
Westcoast - did well
West'dogs - as always, outside the square.

It's always subjective. I don't think any team did badly.
 
Re: Assessing clubs' ND performances

hopper said:
It's always interesting to read how well we feel we went at this point, in regard to the National Draft. It got me thinking about measuring performance on this important day. It seems so subjective.
........

The only real way is to assess the performance of the players over a period of time (say 5 years).

People may want to rate each player drafted with something like this:

Draft selection + number of senior AFL games + (Brownlow votes X 10) + B&F value per season (10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd etc.)

If you get players with late picks that play lots of games and score Brownlow and B&F votes, you've done well.

If you get players with early picks that do nothing....... well, the answer to that is obvious!
 
Re: Assessing clubs' ND performances

David C said:
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Draft selection + number of senior AFL games + (Brownlow votes X 10) + B&F value per season (10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd etc.)

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;D Are you an accountant David? Or maybe Quantum Physics is you bag?
 
Re: Assessing clubs' ND performances

Well, to me this was such a strong draft with so many top class players, I dont think anyone stuffed up so to speak.

The more I read the reasoning about some, the more clearer the picture is.

In saying that, a lot of things can happen from now till the three years when this draft should be assessed. I will give you my big winners, and then my im not sure what they were thinking group.

WINNERS:

Essendon - Had the picks, but so did Carlton and I thought Essendon drafted that much better than Carlton. Gumbleton looks class, Jetta at 18 could be anything, Tom Hislop is a hard and tough midfielder that will be awesome for the Bombers in and under work. Bachar Houli is a great personality, and a great footballer, if he gets right, he may prove the steal of the draft, has got the work ethic and attitude to do so.

Geelong - Ok Tom Hawkins father son was a blessing, but then to add Geelongs greatest needs in Leadership, Midfield Class and Pace with Joel Selwood, Nathan Djekerra and Simon Hogan was a great effort. In Selwood, Geelong have a captain in waiting.

Brisbane - I always beleived Leunberger was the best player from this draft, and they got him, with Charman and Woods that is one imposing Ruck Combination in the future. Albert Proud has some serious question marks about attitude and his desire, well staying in Queensland with Leigh Matthews and Jonathan Brown will help him sort that out, and will be a fantastic midfielder, tough and hard, with great disposal and speed. Schmidt is bottom age that was a great get at 34, is poised and skilled, both he and James Hawksley are modern prototype players that will excell at run and skill in todays footy. Tyler was a suprise but could make it and Sheldon is very young but has some serious game. I think they did extremely well.

Richmond - From the picks we had, I seriously beleive we did an awesome job. Jack Riewolt has a terrific attitude, and work rate to succeed and will, he will be an imposing forward target for Richmond, he is so footy smart he finds time and space on the lead, but has a great leap and a vice like grip that he will take contested marks. Shane Edwards is a jet, think Jordan McMahon with more balls. This kid's closing speed is exceptional, has good skills and will suit or run, run, run game style. Daniel Connors was the bargain of the draft, I dont care what people say about his speed/attitude/whatever, this kid is a great footballer and should not have been around at pick 58. He is super smart, great balance, exceptional vision, plays both inside where he uses his balance and poise as well as his toughness to cleanly pick the ball up and feed off, but also plays outside where he finds time and space and delivers pin point passes. Carl Peterson is another super bargain for Richmond, he has a massive verticle leap and pace, once developed watch out a human highlight reel that will have opposition coaches having nightmares about matching him up. Andrew Collins is a prototype Richmond halfback/midfielder type that has some pace and neat skills, will benefit from our running game style, is determined and dedicated to the cause. Richmond did exceptionally well with their draft choices.

Still dont know what they are thinking?

The two best recruiters in my book, are Scott Clayton and Craig Cameron. I am still amazed at their choices, and before I go on, I will say, I dont think they stuffed up, I just dont understand their drafting but they have the runs on the board to still be right. Talking to Scotty he was so happy with the draft, I quizzed him about Everitt and he said they had him as the one they want at 11, will suit the style of play....I am yet to be confident. James Frawley for me shot up from no where on my listings. Are Melbourne that hard up for Key Defenders that they bypassed better players for Frawley? Look as I said I dont think many clubs stuffed up, but I just dont see why the Bulldogs and Melbourne recruited the way they did. Also Collingwood may look back on this draft in three years with an exceptional spine saying WOW, but to me at 8 and 10 to get Ben Reid and Nathan Brown is iffy. I mean i rate both Reid and Brown as better athletes but not better footballers than Riewolt, we will see with evidence wheter a pure footballer will beat a pure athlete in three years time.....

Well thats my take on it,, very pleased with Richmonds selections but will be watching the progress on all these kids for years to come, it was truly a wonderful draft.
 
Re: Assessing clubs' ND performances

You guys don't read - already a thread started on this.

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=24877.0
 
Re: Assessing clubs' ND performances

RROFO said:
David C said:
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Draft selection + number of senior AFL games + (Brownlow votes X 10) + B&F value per season (10 for 1st, 9 for 2nd etc.)

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;D Are you an accountant David? Or maybe Quantum Physics is you bag?

Just as it all adds up to 42, after that I don't care..........

Seriously, you can only really rate draft picks by the quantity and quality of games they end up playing for their respective club, and you gotta start somewhere!

If anyone else wants to come up with some better "formula" (and test it on previous drafts), then it would assist all of us.
 
Re: Assessing clubs' ND performances

Thanks for your responses.

I'm well aware that the wisdom of our picks won't be known for several years. But the discussions on "that was a great pick" & "we can't believe he slipped through" & "we should have picked him instead" are flourishing now. I was just wondering who people thought had done a better job at the draft on initial inspection.

I don't follow all that closely but from what I'd gather there seem to be 3 categories :
Ripped it up - Essendon, Richmond, Carlton, Geelong, Hawthorn
God knows/ok - West Coast, Adelaide, Brisbane, Collingwood
It don't look too flash - Doggies, Roos, Melbourne, St.Kilda, Port, Freo, Sydney
Bit harsh I know, but it's just a harmless first impression.

Cheers.
 
Re: Clubs 2006 draft ratings

jb03 said:
Gee the Saints had 3 passess.  They must be in salary cap strife as can;t see them using all those picks in PSD.

Bad year to have cap woes.
I know they did a good job tying up all their young stars,but they may have put all their eggs in the one basket too early :-\
 
Re: Clubs 2006 draft ratings

jb03 said:
Gee the Saints had 3 passess.  They must be in salary cap strife as can;t see them using all those picks in PSD.

Fair rating I guess from an independent source.  Be good to see a review like this every year for the previous years.


Been a bit of talk about this fact on SEN today JimBob, re StKildas salary cap strife!

All i can say is there are obviously a stack of over paid underachieveing duds at that joint.
 
Re: Clubs 2006 draft ratings

craig said:
jb03 said:
Gee the Saints had 3 passess.  They must be in salary cap strife as can;t see them using all those picks in PSD.

Fair rating I guess from an independent source.  Be good to see a review like this every year for the previous years.


Been a bit of talk about this fact on SEN today JimBob, re StKildas salary cap strife!

All i can say is there are obviously a stack of over paid underachieveing duds at that joint.

At least most of ours aren't over paid at least Craig McLaughlin.
 
I thought this rating was a bit harsh on Carlton, and on us.

But - maybe this is because:

[quote author=struggletown3121]
Richmond: Grade B....

13 Jack Riewoldt, 192 86 (Tassie Mariners)
26 Shane Edwards, 180 69 (North Adelaide)
58 Daniel Connors, 183 79 (Bendigo)
60 Carl Peterson, 183 70 (Claremont)
73 Andrew Collins, 184 71 (Bendigo)
84 PASS
[/quote]

Terry seems hell benmt on drafting smalls. Jack is a bigger boy, but the rest are b/w 180 & 184 cms. He sees to be repeating his sins at Footscray, where he was obsessed with running players, and had one of the shortest lists ever!
 
Re: Clubs 2006 draft ratings

craig said:
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Been a bit of talk about this fact on SEN today JimBob, re StKildas salary cap strife!

All i can say is there are obviously a stack of over paid underachieveing duds at that joint.

What, a Victorian club finds itself in Salary Cap trouble by back-ending extravagant contracts as well as having players on 5-year deals who get injured! - how could such a thing happen............. (wait for the sounds of crickets chirping as the Richmond supporters with more than two working brain cells recall that we were in a similar situation just a few short years ago............)

Their outcome is exactly what happens to clubs who taste a little success and then are undisciplined enough to gamble on the assumption of more success in the near future.