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Corey "the slow boat to GC17" Ellis

Re: Welcome to the RFC - Corey Ellis

easy said:
Cap'n's acutely out of form.

You dont forget how to post though. He'll be right.

;D I'm working on it, e,t.

KnightersRevenge said:
You're throwing shade at this kid every chance you get Jack. What is your knock on him?

It's a measured view, KNighte.

Overall I think this period (Brandon to Corey) saw us take people who could kick. (We thought Brandon was an elite kick when we recruited him.) Who could kick, but were poor profiles.

Corey is a great example. (Lennon too, but less so.)

First, I want to dispel a myth. Corey Ellis is game. He's not a jib. He has to play sensible or he won't play the next week. Because he is so frail. And physically weak. (Just a youngster but young again for his years and weak for his size.)

Corey Ellis at AFL level? To touch him is to fell him. It's a bit like that at VFL level too. (Watching Corey at VFL level recently fully tipped me on him.)

Corey Ellis is a very smart player. So at AFL level he learned to be felled. So he wouldn't inevitably be called for ball every time an opponent touched him. It's a twist and dive thing. And it was working for him prior to his next couple of injuries. Inasmuch as he wasn't giving away frees.

He can get a kick. Has BWA and smarts with it. Natural skills for an inside mid. But absolutely none of the physical or athletic qualities required to use them.

Inside mids need strength. Do they measure strength at camp? Corey Ellis would comfortably be in the base percentile for players on an AFL ground any week. So. No strength.

Is he agile or explosive? Can he step or dance? Nup. He's quite static. Has no moves.

Is he quick? Can he nip in and nip out? Nup. That's the killer, if he had some straight line velocity, or even three strides, we could play him at half back. *But that's where we do play him.* Yeah. We're stuck with a static half back because shocking recruiting.

One more thing about blokes who are felled by a breath, have no step, no nip and no velocity - they get caught, they get punished and they get injured.

The profile and the role do not match. Like Lennon. (A slow marking half forward. Who plays that?) And Vlastuin, a sluggish running back who gets lost when it's time to defend. And Brandon, a slow outside wingman.

[Daniel Rioli was the change in policy. He fits a template. Buzzing high half forward/mid anybody? Nimble as well as quick. Fierce. Strong for his size. Let's get three more. That is what an AFL player looks like. Physique suited to role. Athleticism suited to role with elie characteristics. Unlike Jarhead and Lennon Rioli is an average kick. (We threw out the kicking mantra.)]

I don't have it in for Jarhead. (He has ability. So does Lennon.) I had it in for Frank. For the template. That is not the shape of successful recruits. The role/body/athlete is the wrong combination.

We need orthodox players in the side. We can't build a team on exceptions.

We need a heavy inside midfielder, not a skinny one. And we need a running half back, not a static one.

Corey Ellis is the least public of Frank's Fails. For now. Even though he has ability. Let's get a refund and draft the right profile/fit.
 
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Dyer'ere said:
;D I'm working on it, e,t.

It's a measured view, KNighte.

Overall I think this period (Brandon to Corey) saw us take people who could kick. (We thought Brandon was an elite kick when we recruited him.) Who could kick, but were poor profiles.

Corey is a great example. (Lennon too, but less so.)

First, I want to dispel a myth. Corey Ellis is game. He's not a jib. He has to play sensible or he won't play the next week. Because he is so frail. And physically weak. (Just a youngster but young again for his years and weak for his size.)

Corey Ellis at AFL level? To touch him is to fell him. It's a bit like that at VFL level too. (Watching Corey at VFL level recently fully tipped me on him.)

Corey Ellis is a very smart player. So at AFL level he learned to be felled. So he wouldn't inevitably be called for ball every time an opponent touched him. It's a twist and dive thing. And it was working for him prior to his next couple of injuries. Inasmuch as he wasn't giving away frees.

He can get a kick. Has BWA and smarts with it. Natural skills for an inside mid. But absolutely none of the physical or athletic qualities required to use them.

Inside mids need strength. Do they measure strength at camp? Corey Ellis would comfortably be in the base percentile for players on an AFL ground any week. So. No strength.

Is he agile or explosive? Can he step or dance? Nup. He's quite static. Has no moves.

Is he quick? Can he nip in and nip out? Nup. That's the killer, if he had some straight line velocity, or even three strides, we could play him at half back. *But that's where we do play him.* Yeah. We're stuck with a static half back because shocking recruiting.

One more thing about blokes who are felled by a breath, have no step, no nip and no velocity - they get caught, they get punished and they get injured.

The profile and the role do not match. Like Lennon. (A slow marking half forward. Who plays that?) And Vlastuin, a sluggish running back who gets lost when it's time to defend. And Brandon, a slow outside wingman.

[Daniel Rioli was the change in policy. He fits a template. Buzzing high half forward/mid anybody? Nimble as well as quick. Fierce. Strong for his size. Let's get three more. That is what an AFL player looks like. Physique suited to role. Athleticism suited to role with elie characteristics. Unlike Jarhead and Lennon Rioli is an average kick. (We threw out the kicking mantra.)]

I don't have it in for Jarhead. (He has ability. So does Lennon.) I had it in for Frank. For the template. That is not the shape of successful recruits. The role/body/athlete is the wrong combination.

We need orthodox players in the side. We can't build a team on exceptions.

We need a heavy inside midfielder, not a skinny one. And we need a running half back, not a static one.

Corey Ellis is the least public of Frank's Fails. For now. Even though he has ability. Let's get a refund and draft the right profile/fit.

Perfect summary of the Flank Jackson era.
 
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Dyer'ere said:
And we need a running half back, not a static one.

I dunno, a static half back could be a pretty innovative strategy. Doug Hawkins and Dipper both used to always say they were absolutely static after a big win. Could be something in it.
 
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Leysy Days said:
Good summation Diet Beer
Nah. Kid is a footballer. He has a vision with the footy that we will see more of as he builds his body, gets in and around more contests and gets more of the footy.

Jack makes him sound like a stone statue. Not true

Vlastuin? Have a look at vision of him playing in his first year...that's no sluggish half back

Let Corey develop and play Vlossy in the guts.
 
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Dyer'ere said:
;D I'm working on it, e,t.

It's a measured view, KNighte.

Overall I think this period (Brandon to Corey) saw us take people who could kick. (We thought Brandon was an elite kick when we recruited him.) Who could kick, but were poor profiles.

Corey is a great example. (Lennon too, but less so.)

First, I want to dispel a myth. Corey Ellis is game. He's not a jib. He has to play sensible or he won't play the next week. Because he is so frail. And physically weak. (Just a youngster but young again for his years and weak for his size.)

Corey Ellis at AFL level? To touch him is to fell him. It's a bit like that at VFL level too. (Watching Corey at VFL level recently fully tipped me on him.)

Corey Ellis is a very smart player. So at AFL level he learned to be felled. So he wouldn't inevitably be called for ball every time an opponent touched him. It's a twist and dive thing. And it was working for him prior to his next couple of injuries. Inasmuch as he wasn't giving away frees.

He can get a kick. Has BWA and smarts with it. Natural skills for an inside mid. But absolutely none of the physical or athletic qualities required to use them.

Inside mids need strength. Do they measure strength at camp? Corey Ellis would comfortably be in the base percentile for players on an AFL ground any week. So. No strength.

Is he agile or explosive? Can he step or dance? Nup. He's quite static. Has no moves.

Is he quick? Can he nip in and nip out? Nup. That's the killer, if he had some straight line velocity, or even three strides, we could play him at half back. *But that's where we do play him.* Yeah. We're stuck with a static half back because shocking recruiting.

One more thing about blokes who are felled by a breath, have no step, no nip and no velocity - they get caught, they get punished and they get injured.

The profile and the role do not match. Like Lennon. (A slow marking half forward. Who plays that?) And Vlastuin, a sluggish running back who gets lost when it's time to defend. And Brandon, a slow outside wingman.

[Daniel Rioli was the change in policy. He fits a template. Buzzing high half forward/mid anybody? Nimble as well as quick. Fierce. Strong for his size. Let's get three more. That is what an AFL player looks like. Physique suited to role. Athleticism suited to role with elie characteristics. Unlike Jarhead and Lennon Rioli is an average kick. (We threw out the kicking mantra.)]

I don't have it in for Jarhead. (He has ability. So does Lennon.) I had it in for Frank. For the template. That is not the shape of successful recruits. The role/body/athlete is the wrong combination.

We need orthodox players in the side. We can't build a team on exceptions.

We need a heavy inside midfielder, not a skinny one. And we need a running half back, not a static one.

Corey Ellis is the least public of Frank's Fails. For now. Even though he has ability. Let's get a refund and draft the right profile/fit.
You will be proved wrong on ellis the fact you act like an expert when really its an opinion, humours me.
 
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Texaspinksock said:
You will be proved wrong on ellis the fact you act like an expert when really its an opinion, humours me.
Out of interest, do you have any negative opinions about anyone at the club?
 
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Giardiasis said:
Out of interest, do you have any negative opinions about anyone at the club?
Yes not a fan of a variety of picks made prior to the 2014 draft wasted some good picks. However ellis will be a good player. Also pissed as i would have taken devon smith over brandon ellis
 
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Giardiasis said:
Out of interest, do you have any negative opinions about anyone at the club?
I think TPS should meet Mappa.....maybe they already have......
 
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Sintiger said:
Nah. Kid is a footballer. He has a vision with the footy that we will see more of as he builds his body, gets in and around more contests and gets more of the footy.

Jack makes him sound like a stone statue. Not true

Vlastuin? Have a look at vision of him playing in his first year...that's no sluggish half back

Let Corey develop and play Vlossy in the guts.
Sounds like Hardwick is the issue then.
 
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Smoking Aces said:
Player Development.
That isn't really an answer. Ellis is the perfect example of a player who was in good form prior to injury, misses multiple weeks then people completely forget about them.
 
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Smoking Aces said:
Sounds like Hardwick is the issue then.
maybe he is.

i am simply commenting on the abilities of CEllis and Vlastuin as footballers. I have consistently called for Vlossy to be in the guts. I would like to see CEllis rotating through the middle as well.
 
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To me that's where Hardwick needs to change it up next year in the midfield.

Corey, Vlas more midfield role time next year.

With Prestia possibly coming in our midfield has changed.

To me at times and don't shoot me down CEllis reminds of Pendles!
 
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tigertim said:
I think TPS should meet Mappa.....maybe they already have......

We often catch up ........Board meetings......
 
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Dyer'ere said:
;D I'm working on it, e,t.

It's a measured view, KNighte.

Overall I think this period (Brandon to Corey) saw us take people who could kick. (We thought Brandon was an elite kick when we recruited him.) Who could kick, but were poor profiles.

Corey is a great example. (Lennon too, but less so.)

First, I want to dispel a myth. Corey Ellis is game. He's not a jib. He has to play sensible or he won't play the next week. Because he is so frail. And physically weak. (Just a youngster but young again for his years and weak for his size.)

Corey Ellis at AFL level? To touch him is to fell him. It's a bit like that at VFL level too. (Watching Corey at VFL level recently fully tipped me on him.)

Corey Ellis is a very smart player. So at AFL level he learned to be felled. So he wouldn't inevitably be called for ball every time an opponent touched him. It's a twist and dive thing. And it was working for him prior to his next couple of injuries. Inasmuch as he wasn't giving away frees.

He can get a kick. Has BWA and smarts with it. Natural skills for an inside mid. But absolutely none of the physical or athletic qualities required to use them.

Inside mids need strength. Do they measure strength at camp? Corey Ellis would comfortably be in the base percentile for players on an AFL ground any week. So. No strength.

Is he agile or explosive? Can he step or dance? Nup. He's quite static. Has no moves.

Is he quick? Can he nip in and nip out? Nup. That's the killer, if he had some straight line velocity, or even three strides, we could play him at half back. *But that's where we do play him.* Yeah. We're stuck with a static half back because shocking recruiting.

One more thing about blokes who are felled by a breath, have no step, no nip and no velocity - they get caught, they get punished and they get injured.

The profile and the role do not match. Like Lennon. (A slow marking half forward. Who plays that?) And Vlastuin, a sluggish running back who gets lost when it's time to defend. And Brandon, a slow outside wingman.

[Daniel Rioli was the change in policy. He fits a template. Buzzing high half forward/mid anybody? Nimble as well as quick. Fierce. Strong for his size. Let's get three more. That is what an AFL player looks like. Physique suited to role. Athleticism suited to role with elie characteristics. Unlike Jarhead and Lennon Rioli is an average kick. (We threw out the kicking mantra.)]

I don't have it in for Jarhead. (He has ability. So does Lennon.) I had it in for Frank. For the template. That is not the shape of successful recruits. The role/body/athlete is the wrong combination.

We need orthodox players in the side. We can't build a team on exceptions.

We need a heavy inside midfielder, not a skinny one. And we need a running half back, not a static one.

Corey Ellis is the least public of Frank's Fails. For now. Even though he has ability. Let's get a refund and draft the right profile/fit.
I love your posts Dyer'ere. I really think you talk with insight but in this case I think you are wrong with CEllis. I have watched him closely in the VFL in the last few rounds. He is quicker than you think and covers the ground well and is smart. Granted he is not a contested beast but works very well inside and out and, what I really like, is that he never wastes it.
 
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Agree with Jack. Corey has all the necessary tools to be an inside mid but unfortunately a body more suited to synchronised swimming. Would get smashed and bashed in the guts.
 
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The Mole said:
I love your posts Dyer'ere. I really think you talk with insight but in this case I think you are wrong with CEllis. I have watched him closely in the VFL in the last few rounds. He is quicker than you think and covers the ground well and is smart. Granted he is not a contested beast but works very well inside and out and, what I really like, is that he never wastes it.

Agree Mole. He looked a class above at VFL level. I absolutely love the way he uses the footy. Often linking play multiple times in the one movement.

IMO he really needs to work on his strength in the gym this summer.
Main issue is the lad needs to be much stronger physically.
Got to be AFL match hardened to have an impact.