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Coronavirus grand final.

hutstar

Tiger Superstar
Dec 17, 2002
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Are you still in the US, hutstar? If so, whereabouts, and what's the mood over there?
Hey Mate, still here, in Florida. There's two Americas these days. In my generally pretty progressive city we've had gradual shutdowns, certainly more agressive than Australia, but still all the old republicans at my golf club are playing their weekly games and basically not paying attention at all. The mood - similar I imagine. We've been self isolated for nearly two weeks now, but we're lucky the weather is nice and we live in a place where going for a walk or ride (or even a solo 9 holes when it's quiet) is no big deal. I'm sure people in NYC apartments are going mad and scared shitless at the same time.
 
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Sir

Tiger Matchwinner
Apr 23, 2004
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So, still can't produce any facts that back your claim it's just a bad flu? Just more ignorant bluster?
Hello Antman and Baloo....... ;)

It's been an interesting couple of weeks indeed.

I'm not sure why you kept asking me to produce 'facts' when others already had - but - I'll assume you were singling me out.

CV-19 evolves each day (eg the Facts are adjusted based on increased testing, impact of anti-virals, death rates etc).

The ABC.news.com has a good running commentary that articulates this reasonably well - albeit their tone has adjusted slowly since Friday where the apocalyptic exponential rate (predicted to see a doubling of cases every 48hrs) has been slightly toned down now that it's reduced to 15% per day - and might trend further south.

Of course News.com.au continues to prattle on and create scaremongering (click-bait!)

It's not about loud noises.

It's more about shouting down a denier - and yes - I am a denier.

CV-19 will (IMHO) be shown to be a bad flu. Maybe even less than a bad flu. Early estimates from the WHO predicted a 4% death rate yet it is now well below 1% (not sure re Italy and I sure as hell don't trust anything out of China! I mean seriously - does anyone???).

In Germany and Korea - well below 1%. Germany is getting even lower (most recently 2-3 in every 1000) and hence CV-19 is daily looking more and more like a bad H1N1 like 'flu' ........... and TBH ............ hopefully the GOVT starts reviewing our response (albeit I've just seen that public gatherings have been reduced to two persons!!!).

Kudo's to the GOVT for taking the measure they did to reduce the initial spread - because there is no vaccine - and we simply could not have controlled it by any other means - but regardless - by all available data it's a bad flu.

Facts?

1. 16 deaths to date (4600+ infected).

2. The 2017 flu in Australia killed 750+

3. The 2017 flu in USA killed 79,000

I'm not sure what the plagiarism laws are - but you're welcome to see the latest data out of the UK and USA (please read Dr Jayanta Bhattacharya)

I do hope that I'm right - not to prove a point - but to remove the hyperbola and media driven leadership (in parts) that is in serious danger of driving us off an economic cliff that will take a generation to recover from.

Then again - I could simply be wrong :(

...... shame on me for voicing an opinion (but then again you are welcome to support China's ultimate objective!)
 
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Filthy Tiger

Tiger Rookie
Jun 10, 2014
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Best of 3 grand final being pushed again in the Herald Sun. Amazingly with the claim it could happen this year!
 

RoarEmotion

Tiger Matchwinner
Aug 20, 2005
867
163
3 grand finals to make more money? Where does this come from? Outrageous. (I know it’s hutchy)
 
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antman

Tiger Legend
Nov 25, 2004
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Hello Antman and Baloo....... ;)

It's been an interesting couple of weeks indeed.

I'm not sure why you kept asking me to produce 'facts' when others already had - but - I'll assume you were singling me out.

CV-19 evolves each day (eg the Facts are adjusted based on increased testing, impact of anti-virals, death rates etc).

The ABC.news.com has a good running commentary that articulates this reasonably well - albeit their tone has adjusted slowly since Friday where the apocalyptic exponential rate (predicted to see a doubling of cases every 48hrs) has been slightly toned down now that it's reduced to 15% per day - and might trend further south.

Of course News.com.au continues to prattle on and create scaremongering (click-bait!)

It's not about loud noises.

It's more about shouting down a denier - and yes - I am a denier.

CV-19 will (IMHO) be shown to be a bad flu. Maybe even less than a bad flu. Early estimates from the WHO predicted a 4% death rate yet it is now well below 1% (not sure re Italy and I sure as hell don't trust anything out of China! I mean seriously - does anyone???).

In Germany and Korea - well below 1%. Germany is getting even lower (most recently 2-3 in every 1000) and hence CV-19 is daily looking more and more like a bad H1N1 like 'flu' ........... and TBH ............ hopefully the GOVT starts reviewing our response (albeit I've just seen that public gatherings have been reduced to two persons!!!).

Kudo's to the GOVT for taking the measure they did to reduce the initial spread - because there is no vaccine - and we simply could not have controlled it by any other means - but regardless - by all available data it's a bad flu.

Facts?

1. 16 deaths to date (4600+ infected).

2. The 2017 flu in Australia killed 750+

3. The 2017 flu in USA killed 79,000

I'm not sure what the plagiarism laws are - but you're welcome to see the latest data out of the UK and USA (please read Dr Jayanta Bhattacharya)

I do hope that I'm right - not to prove a point - but to remove the hyperbola and media driven leadership (in parts) that is in serious danger of driving us off an economic cliff that will take a generation to recover from.

Then again - I could simply be wrong :(

...... shame on me for voicing an opinion (but then again you are welcome to support China's ultimate objective!)
Hi Sir

I'm well past the stage of arguing about this. Just hope most of us (and the world) can get through it ok.

Stay safe and take care.
 

Coburgtiger

Tiger Champion
May 7, 2012
2,959
683
Hello Antman and Baloo....... ;)

It's been an interesting couple of weeks indeed.

I'm not sure why you kept asking me to produce 'facts' when others already had - but - I'll assume you were singling me out.

CV-19 evolves each day (eg the Facts are adjusted based on increased testing, impact of anti-virals, death rates etc).

The ABC.news.com has a good running commentary that articulates this reasonably well - albeit their tone has adjusted slowly since Friday where the apocalyptic exponential rate (predicted to see a doubling of cases every 48hrs) has been slightly toned down now that it's reduced to 15% per day - and might trend further south.

Of course News.com.au continues to prattle on and create scaremongering (click-bait!)

It's not about loud noises.

It's more about shouting down a denier - and yes - I am a denier.

CV-19 will (IMHO) be shown to be a bad flu. Maybe even less than a bad flu. Early estimates from the WHO predicted a 4% death rate yet it is now well below 1% (not sure re Italy and I sure as hell don't trust anything out of China! I mean seriously - does anyone???).

In Germany and Korea - well below 1%. Germany is getting even lower (most recently 2-3 in every 1000) and hence CV-19 is daily looking more and more like a bad H1N1 like 'flu' ........... and TBH ............ hopefully the GOVT starts reviewing our response (albeit I've just seen that public gatherings have been reduced to two persons!!!).

Kudo's to the GOVT for taking the measure they did to reduce the initial spread - because there is no vaccine - and we simply could not have controlled it by any other means - but regardless - by all available data it's a bad flu.

Facts?

1. 16 deaths to date (4600+ infected).

2. The 2017 flu in Australia killed 750+

3. The 2017 flu in USA killed 79,000

I'm not sure what the plagiarism laws are - but you're welcome to see the latest data out of the UK and USA (please read Dr Jayanta Bhattacharya)

I do hope that I'm right - not to prove a point - but to remove the hyperbola and media driven leadership (in parts) that is in serious danger of driving us off an economic cliff that will take a generation to recover from.

Then again - I could simply be wrong :(

...... shame on me for voicing an opinion (but then again you are welcome to support China's ultimate objective!)
You sir, have no idea what you're taking about.
 

ToraToraTora

Piccadilly anyone?
Mar 21, 2005
9,424
665
QLD
Hello Antman and Baloo....... ;)

It's been an interesting couple of weeks indeed.

I'm not sure why you kept asking me to produce 'facts' when others already had - but - I'll assume you were singling me out.

CV-19 evolves each day (eg the Facts are adjusted based on increased testing, impact of anti-virals, death rates etc).

The ABC.news.com has a good running commentary that articulates this reasonably well - albeit their tone has adjusted slowly since Friday where the apocalyptic exponential rate (predicted to see a doubling of cases every 48hrs) has been slightly toned down now that it's reduced to 15% per day - and might trend further south.

Of course News.com.au continues to prattle on and create scaremongering (click-bait!)

It's not about loud noises.

It's more about shouting down a denier - and yes - I am a denier.

CV-19 will (IMHO) be shown to be a bad flu. Maybe even less than a bad flu. Early estimates from the WHO predicted a 4% death rate yet it is now well below 1% (not sure re Italy and I sure as hell don't trust anything out of China! I mean seriously - does anyone???).

In Germany and Korea - well below 1%. Germany is getting even lower (most recently 2-3 in every 1000) and hence CV-19 is daily looking more and more like a bad H1N1 like 'flu' ........... and TBH ............ hopefully the GOVT starts reviewing our response (albeit I've just seen that public gatherings have been reduced to two persons!!!).

Kudo's to the GOVT for taking the measure they did to reduce the initial spread - because there is no vaccine - and we simply could not have controlled it by any other means - but regardless - by all available data it's a bad flu.

Facts?

1. 16 deaths to date (4600+ infected).

2. The 2017 flu in Australia killed 750+

3. The 2017 flu in USA killed 79,000

I'm not sure what the plagiarism laws are - but you're welcome to see the latest data out of the UK and USA (please read Dr Jayanta Bhattacharya)

I do hope that I'm right - not to prove a point - but to remove the hyperbola and media driven leadership (in parts) that is in serious danger of driving us off an economic cliff that will take a generation to recover from.

Then again - I could simply be wrong :(

...... shame on me for voicing an opinion (but then again you are welcome to support China's ultimate objective!)
Every single testimony from victims who had it bad is the same. This ain't the flu. I'll take their word for it. Plus, it's 3 times as contagious.
 
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lamb22

Tiger Legend
Jan 29, 2005
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Presently 724K cases worldwide for 34K deaths. That's a death rate of over 4% worldwide. Yep we and Germany and a few others are tracking OK (us below 1% ) but Italy is over 10%.

I think safety first is OK. Also I heard some doctor speaking about deaths amongst elderly being attributed to their major pre existing issue even if brought on by the virus. Might be only Italy reporting properly. Also USA is ridiculously under reporting. Might be a while before we get a true indication of mortality rates
 

TigerMasochist

Walks softly carries a big stick.
Jul 13, 2003
19,261
1,635
Might be only Italy reporting properly. Also USA is ridiculously under reporting. Might be a while before we get a true indication of mortality rates
Meanwhile China, North Korea n Russia can't be bothered reporting anything. So I doubt we'll ever get a true indication, ever.
 

craig

Tiger Legend
Aug 19, 2004
26,997
2,757
Melbourne
Cut the BS and the crap.

Just let the season go and start earlier next year with a 26 round season making it fairer and more equitable.

Its not fair nor equitable so much as it is now without impediment, now they think they can get a season done after putting it off 3 months.

If its good enough for the biggest soccer comp in the world (EPL) plus lower leagues to suspend the season with what 5 odd games to go and some of the other biggest sports comps in the world Euro Footy Leagues (La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A, ), Formula 1 GP season, and the USA heavy hitters the NBA the NHL, MLB and college Basketball (March Madness).to all shut down and keep it shut down then its good enough for the AFL, A League, and NRL.
 
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Baloo

Delisted Free Agent
Nov 8, 2005
36,304
3,511
Listened to Hutchy's podcast where he laid out his ideas for the 2020 season if it happens.

3 Groups:
WA & SA Teams
NSW & QLD Teams
"MCG" Teams (big drawing clubs)
Other Vic Teams

All play each other twice. 10 Team finals. Best of 3 Grand Finals.

The purist in me cringed, but his argument had some merit in that after all this is over, the AFL needs to do whatever it can to maximise revenue. His model would ensure games like RFC v Pies, WCE v Freo, Crows v Port etc happen twice to maximise crowds. Less travel means less expenses.

If you could trust the AFL just to make these changes as a once off just for this year, I could live with it. Let's face it, the season is already screwed. But I don't trust the AFL.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

Tiger Legend
Jun 4, 2006
25,538
2,410
Melbourne
The purist in me cringed, but his argument had some merit in that after all this is over, the AFL needs to do whatever it can to maximise revenue.
But if the public sees it as a cash grab, wil they actually go?

Need to remember that at the end of this, many people might not be able to afford weekly footy, let alone extravagances like multiple grand finals.

I reckon people would be relieved and happy to return to normality. I don't think it's an ideal time to implement radical ideas that aren't going to find favour with everyone.
 
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seven

Super Tiger
Apr 20, 2004
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Listened to Hutchy's podcast where he laid out his ideas for the 2020 season if it happens.

3 Groups:
WA & SA Teams
NSW & QLD Teams
"MCG" Teams (big drawing clubs)
Other Vic Teams

All play each other twice. 10 Team finals. Best of 3 Grand Finals.

The purist in me cringed, but his argument had some merit in that after all this is over, the AFL needs to do whatever it can to maximise revenue. His model would ensure games like RFC v Pies, WCE v Freo, Crows v Port etc happen twice to maximise crowds. Less travel means less expenses.

If you could trust the AFL just to make these changes as a once off just for this year, I could live with it. Let's face it, the season is already screwed. But I don't trust the AFL.

It's one of the better ideas i've heard.
Maxwell Llyod suggesteded expanding this seasons into next year and making it a super season of 35+ games.
 

Harry

Tiger Legend
Mar 2, 2003
19,995
1,518
Listened to Hutchy's podcast where he laid out his ideas for the 2020 season if it happens.

3 Groups:
WA & SA Teams
NSW & QLD Teams
"MCG" Teams (big drawing clubs)
Other Vic Teams

All play each other twice. 10 Team finals. Best of 3 Grand Finals.

The purist in me cringed, but his argument had some merit in that after all this is over, the AFL needs to do whatever it can to maximise revenue. His model would ensure games like RFC v Pies, WCE v Freo, Crows v Port etc happen twice to maximise crowds. Less travel means less expenses.

If you could trust the AFL just to make these changes as a once off just for this year, I could live with it. Let's face it, the season is already screwed. But I don't trust the AFL.
that's 4 groups and 18 doesn't go into 4