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Coburgtiger

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This is the map. I had to look up the suburbs as I live in the South East. I'n not really sure what you mean, there are some suburbs that will fins some significant disruption from this in terms of getting around, but I'm not sure what you would have preferred. The government have all the data and if there are suburbs that do not have cases and are not seeing the same explosion in cases, then why should they have to go into lockdown?

There are no suburbs completed locked in by this but they sure have to go a long way to get round but this seems like this is the best process to follow right now with impacting the least amount of people as possible.

I'm more concerned with the sheer amount of selfishness out there particularly now in the quarantined hotels. Surely people that are working there should 1 - Be happy that in this time that we find ourselves in that they have a job and 2 that they are in one of the most exposed places in the country to Covid-19 but don't seem too fussed about following protocols. I bet nurses and doctors are not too impressed with these people.

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My big issue is 'suburb' has no real meaning, and no epidemiological relevance.

I mean, look how ridiculous it is that moonee ponds isn't locked down (3039).

Pascoe Vale too.

The point is this is a half measure.

It won't change anything, communication of expectations is going to be muddy, people on borders (like those who miss out by a street are going to rightly ask why), it's borderline impossible to police, and it's extremely disruptive, and it won't change anything.
 
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antman

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How else could you do it though? Name specific street boundaries? More confusing for the general public.
 

mrposhman

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My big issue is 'suburb' has no real meaning, and no epidemiological relevance.

I mean, look how ridiculous it is that moonee ponds isn't locked down (3039).

Pascoe Vale too.

The point is this is a half measure.

It won't change anything, communication of expectations is going to be muddy, people on borders (like those who miss out by a street are going to rightly ask why), it's borderline impossible to police, and it's extremely disruptive, and it won't change anything.
That could be said about any other suburb that has a fairly large border with a suburb that is being locked down. We don't have the data, they do. Maybe there have been a significant number of tests of people in Moonee Ponds and very low % of those are testing positive. There has to be data as to why they have picked certain suburbs and not others, we have to give them the credit the data source is very large and that they are doing the right thing.

Time will tell but I'm prepared to give them the chance 1st to prove that this policy works.
 
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Coburgtiger

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How else could you do it though? Name specific street boundaries? More confusing for the general public.
Three options. Back to stage three for all of Vic. Back to stage three for all of Melbourne and it's suburbs. Or put a ring around all of the places where cases have been identified and lock it all down.

I will bet anything that within a week we have cases in all those suburbs that are on that map.

The ring idea, BTW, is similar to how we eradicated small pox, albeit using vaccination.
 
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Coburgtiger

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That could be said about any other suburb that has a fairly large border with a suburb that is being locked down. We don't have the data, they do. Maybe there have been a significant number of tests of people in Moonee Ponds and very low % of those are testing positive. There has to be data as to why they have picked certain suburbs and not others, we have to give them the credit the data source is very large and that they are doing the right thing.

Time will tell but I'm prepared to give them the chance 1st to prove that this policy works.
Sure. We know that taking soft measures early and the wait and see approach always works best.

Wait.
 

mrposhman

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Sure. We know that taking soft measures early and the wait and see approach always works best.

Wait.
You think this is a wait and see approach? Or are you saying because I disagree with you and side with the government that I'm waiting and seeing?

I'm merely acknowledging they have far more data than you and I and they must have reasons why they are not including the suburbs that you so strongly want locked down.
 

achillesjones

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I believe the problem families are being targeted with a broad title of their postcode. We can't be racially profiling, so target those who flout the rules by naming their postcode. Some families need strict supervision and this is the only way it can be done. The health authorities have enough information to target problem people. They cannot, however, afford to be seen as unfair.
 

eZyT

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Three options. Back to stage three for all of Vic. Back to stage three for all of Melbourne and it's suburbs. Or put a ring around all of the places where cases have been identified and lock it all down.

I will bet anything that within a week we have cases in all those suburbs that are on that map.

The ring idea, BTW, is similar to how we eradicated small pox, albeit using vaccination.
a smart lady on the wireless today (epidemiologist for UN) was say the ring method is great and worked in Wuhan.

#putaringaroundmelbourne
 
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MD Jazz

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I just got locked down - not an issue, I should be. But so should all of Victoria. My friend lives in Meadow Heights. He is completely surrounded by lockdown suburbs, but his suburb isn't. He's going to have to teleport around.

Meanwhile, being in the Broadie area, I can still go to work in the city, where I can go to a pub.
100% agree, this is just ridiculous. They should be restricting visitors to zero, it is clear this is how the virus is spreading. Just lock it down and be done with it.
 

Ridley

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One lady from 1 of the lockdown areas just effectively stated what has been the issue. She stated "We thought it was all over". Well thats the problem, it WASN'T over but people were treating it like it was.
That lady is either completely stupid or a *smile* liar.
 
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eZyT

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That lady is either completely stupid or a *smile* liar.
they did make a real hatching chocolate super egg on the dessert edition of my kitchen rules last week.

maybe she was watching that and missed the news?
 

MB78

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I believe the problem families are being targeted with a broad title of their postcode. We can't be racially profiling, so target those who flout the rules by naming their postcode. Some families need strict supervision and this is the only way it can be done. The health authorities have enough information to target problem people. They cannot, however, afford to be seen as unfair.
This wouldn’t surprise me. Lots of talk on ethnic Victorian’s not getting the message.

Complex issue. Do you deal with cold hard blunt facts on the type of family’s and circumstances that have been infected? We all knew early profiling of the early COVID-19 suffers that come back from overseas skiing trips.
 

achillesjones

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This wouldn’t surprise me. Lots of talk on ethnic Victorian’s not getting the message.

Complex issue. Do you deal with cold hard blunt facts on the type of family’s and circumstances that have been infected? We all knew early profiling of the early COVID-19 suffers that come back from overseas skiing trips.
MASSIVE issue with Eid celebrations post Ramadam.
 
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Tigers of Old

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Everyone is rightly worried about the spike in Victoria, but you will notice the other states and the feds are not gloating, they're looking on quite worried.

They know this could happen in any of the states at any time.

Slightly lower figure today and some suburbs being locked down now. Locking down suburbs may not be the perfect answer but I suspect the thinking is that locking down the whole of Melbourne or Victoria just ain't going to fly. Also, if it doesn't work they have a better chance of making a Melbourne lockdown work and people will abide by the rules. As always, it is a judgement call as to how much they reckon they can get people to do, and there is likely to right answer.

We'll see if we can flatten that damned curve again.

DS

Spot on. Of course they're worried & not just about Victoria's outbreak.
Some are gloating in the Northern States at our current plight but take a tourism state like Queensland for example.
Their economy would be absolutely bleeding to death without tourists locally & abroad.
They can't stay in lock down forever as the economy will completely tank & with that comes a world of pain.
Yet as soon as they open up, their aged citizens are at risk.
All Gov. treasurers must be having very sleepless nights right now..the virus is crippling.
 

DavidSSS

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My big issue is 'suburb' has no real meaning, and no epidemiological relevance.

I mean, look how ridiculous it is that moonee ponds isn't locked down (3039).

Pascoe Vale too.

The point is this is a half measure.

It won't change anything, communication of expectations is going to be muddy, people on borders (like those who miss out by a street are going to rightly ask why), it's borderline impossible to police, and it's extremely disruptive, and it won't change anything.
I totally understand your point.

However, you have to look at this in the context of some of the comments quoted a few posts back, things like - I'll riot if they close my suburb down.

I reckon they are closing the suburbs with the outbreaks, and, if it spreads, then they expand the close down. I still think this is all the government and health authorities reckon they can get compliance on. Any lock down, like any law really, cannot be policed comprehensively, it relies on community assent and I just reckon the thinking is that the community will not assent if they try and close down all of Melbourne. Unless, that is, they close down some areas first and expand it if the spike in cases is not brought under control.

DS
 
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eZyT

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Spot on. Of course they're worried & not just about Victoria's outbreak.
Some are gloating in the Northern States at our current plight but take a tourism state like Queensland for example.
Their economy would be absolutely bleeding to death without tourists locally & abroad.
They can't stay in lock down forever as the economy will completely tank & with that comes a world of pain.
Yet as soon as they open up, their aged citizens are at risk.
All Gov. treasurers must be having very sleepless nights right now..the virus is crippling.
I drove through gridlocked holiday traffic in Byron Bay yesterday.

took me 45 mins to get 2km.

every 4th car had Vic plates.

can't go Gold Coast, Noosa or Whitsundays, Byron is as far north as you can get.

Im no epidemiologist by any stretch, but Id expect a flare up down there in a few weeks????
 
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