Coronavirus

[AngryAnt]

"About 90 per cent of Victoria’s COVID-19 cases are likely traceable back to one family who quarantined at Melbourne’s Rydges Hotel in Swanston St, an inquiry has heard.

But precisely how the virus escaped from hotel quarantine remains a mystery, with investigators unable to pinpoint the moment of transmission."

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel...y/news-story/34f690ec5ebd4836759432e768a9be30 (paywalled)

So the night manager wasn't patient zero after all.

Suggest they examine the so-called "North Melbourne cluster" more closely. Won't happen.

Patient Zero is a stupid term to use, as we already knew that it came from someone in quarantine, they now think a particular family. Given they were in quarantine they came from OS, and carried the virus from OS. Then it infected the night manager/security guards and from there out into the community.

I really don't get your conspiracy theorising about the "North Melbourne cluster", unless you are suggesting it came from North Melbourne to the family in quarantine. Which seems bizarre tbh. Maybe I'm missing a step in your logic.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Will mention a rumour from a mate who works at Tabcorp and says it comes from "up high" - the government expectation is that restrictions won't be eased until the end of October, and that masks will remain compulsory for 12 months. Not sure what confidence level to put on it.

 

[DavidSSS]

Have noticed a lot less cars on the road the past 48 hours.
I reckon the tightening/clarification of the rule that you can't drive to exercise even within the 5km radius has made a big difference on that front.

I tend to go for a ride in the afternoon, that's my exercise. The traffic is down in my observation. It was noticeable in the Stage 3 restrictions and even the first few days of stage 4 that the traffic wasn't down as much as it should have been. The first lockdown back in April was quieter and only stage 3 restrictions.

I reckon it is the closing of all the shops, no point driving anywhere.

Will be good to gt the shops open again but we have to get this under control first as the day the shops open the traffic will increase, there will be people milling around everywhere and the virus will move around unless no-one has it.

DS

 

[AngryAnt]

Will mention a rumour from a mate who works at Tabcorp and says it comes from "up high" - the government expectation is that restrictions won't be eased until the end of October, and that masks will remain compulsory for 12 months. Not sure what confidence level to put on it.

Restrictions to end October sounds about right

 

[Brodders17]

Was reported last week in the SMH in regards NSW Public Hospitals and also reported in The Age back in July in regards Victoria. Also in the Australian 4 days ago.

im skeptical. i reckon there were stories a few weeks ago where hospitals wouldnt take aged care residents because they didnt need hospital care, but the aged care werent able (did not want) to provide the care needed.

 

[Sintiger]

Criminal that these public hospitals have the right to refuse entry to someone sick.

Seriously? Admission decisions are made by Doctors in Public hospitals as they always have been.

Public Hospitals are accepting lots of patients from aged care right now but what they aren't doing is accepting patients who are assessed by a doctor as not needing hospitalisation. Public hospitals are pretty much full and need to make sure they have capacity to accept patients who actually need hospitalisation and for COVID positive and suspected COVID positive patients.

What we have at the moment is quite understandably families who want their aged care relatives in hospital because they believe they are safer there but that simply can't be done because there isn't the bed capacity or the staffing to handle it. They are being admitted or not admitted based on doctors advice as they always are.

Your reply was related to another comment that was misinformed. It was in response to an article about doctors and nurses from public hospitals being redeployed into private aged care homes because those homes have their staff quarantined or the management has been deemed not able to deal with the situation.

Right now we should all be down on our knees thankful that we have such a robust public system because that system is bailing us out everywhere. Running private nursing homes, running infection prevention in hotel quarantine and anything else they get asked to do.

 

[Althom]

im skeptical. i reckon there were stories a few weeks ago where hospitals wouldnt take aged care residents because they didnt need hospital care, but the aged care werent able (did not want) to provide the care needed.

If the Aged Care Facilities were not able to provide the care needed then where was the appropriate place for the residents?
The death toll would certainly indicate that leaving them in place was not a good move.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Urgent investigation after Sydney hotel quarantine security guard's coronavirus infection linked to returned traveller

A security guard who became infected with coronavirus while working at a quarantine hotel in Sydney is now the subject of an "intense investigation", health authorities in NSW say.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Althom]

Perth man accused of breaching quarantine by climbing out of hotel to visit girlfriend

The man, who was on a 14-day quarantine order after returning from Sydney, used a ladder on four occasions to climb out of his hotel room, police claim.

www.watoday.com.au

Women accused of fleeing hotel quarantine after flying in from Adelaide without exemption

One of the women broke down crying during her court appearance, saying she didn’t want to go to jail and just wanted to go home to take care of her young daughter.

www.watoday.com.au

WA has been lucky - thus far.

 

[Brodders17]

If the Aged Care Facilities were not able to provide the care needed then where was the appropriate place for the residents?
The death toll would certainly indicate that leaving them in place was not a good move.

hospitals are for people who need a reasonably high level of medical support, not to cover for aged care providers who decide meeting their residents' needs is too hard.

 

[spook]

Seriously? Admission decisions are made by Doctors in Public hospitals as they always have been.

Public Hospitals are accepting lots of patients from aged care right now but what they aren't doing is accepting patients who are assessed by a doctor as not needing hospitalisation. Public hospitals are pretty much full and need to make sure they have capacity to accept patients who actually need hospitalisation and for COVID positive and suspected COVID positive patients.

What we have at the moment is quite understandably families who want their aged care relatives in hospital because they believe they are safer there but that simply can't be done because there isn't the bed capacity or the staffing to handle it. They are being admitted or not admitted based on doctors advice as they always are.

Your reply was related to another comment that was misinformed. It was in response to an article about doctors and nurses from public hospitals being redeployed into private aged care homes because those homes have their staff quarantined or the management has been deemed not able to deal with the situation.

Right now we should all be down on our knees thankful that we have such a robust public system because that system is bailing us out everywhere. Running private nursing homes, running infection prevention in hotel quarantine and anything else they get asked to do.

Sin, thank you for bringing a big fat valuable slab of 'know what the *smile* you're talking about' for us less versed in the system.

 

[AngryAnt]

As usual Sintiger brings the quality to the discussion.

 

[AngryAnt]

Perth man accused of breaching quarantine by climbing out of hotel to visit girlfriend

The man, who was on a 14-day quarantine order after returning from Sydney, used a ladder on four occasions to climb out of his hotel room, police claim.

www.watoday.com.au

Women accused of fleeing hotel quarantine after flying in from Adelaide without exemption

One of the women broke down crying during her court appearance, saying she didn’t want to go to jail and just wanted to go home to take care of her young daughter.

www.watoday.com.au

WA has been lucky - thus far.

NSW has had a few lucky escapes too - or unlucky escapes, as some quarantiners have absconded and been apprehended, including Sarah Liberty, a "social influencer" who shimmied down a drain pipe to "get some fresh air". Later apprehended in The Rocks and fined $1000.

 

[Sintiger]

Sin, thank you for bringing a big fat valuable slab of 'know what the *smile* you're talking about' for us less versed in the system.

I just happen to be involved in the sector

The thing that worries me a lot at the moment is the quality of the reporting we are getting on what is happening. So much of it is just sensationalist and actually sometimes it is wrong.

Being involved in this sector has taught me a big slab of scepticism towards anything in the media.

 

[MB78]

90pc of Victoria's cases traced to one family, as ADF official says quarantine help was offered

Victoria's hotel quarantine inquiry is told most of the state's active cases can be traced to a family who stayed at Melbourne's Rydges on Swanston hotel. Meanwhile, a senior ADF official pushes back on the Premier's suggestions Army personnel weren't offered to help.

www.abc.net.au

 

[22nd Man]

Seriously? Admission decisions are made by Doctors in Public hospitals as they always have been.

Public Hospitals are accepting lots of patients from aged care right now but what they aren't doing is accepting patients who are assessed by a doctor as not needing hospitalisation. Public hospitals are pretty much full and need to make sure they have capacity to accept patients who actually need hospitalisation and for COVID positive and suspected COVID positive patients.

What we have at the moment is quite understandably families who want their aged care relatives in hospital because they believe they are safer there but that simply can't be done because there isn't the bed capacity or the staffing to handle it. They are being admitted or not admitted based on doctors advice as they always are.

Your reply was related to another comment that was misinformed. It was in response to an article about doctors and nurses from public hospitals being redeployed into private aged care homes because those homes have their staff quarantined or the management has been deemed not able to deal with the situation.

Right now we should all be down on our knees thankful that we have such a robust public system because that system is bailing us out everywhere. Running private nursing homes, running infection prevention in hotel quarantine and anything else they get asked to do.

How can the system be under strain with 600cases in hospital when in the first lockdown we were told that one of its aims was to give breathing space to the medical fraternity to prepare for a bigger onslaughts? Recall Mention of 4000 ICU beds being prepared.

Whilst aged care has been bashed from plillar to post for letting the virus into their homes (and for some other work places) there is only sympathy for hospitals where there are cases galore ....eg Frankston hospital 50. given the abundant staff, resources, knowledge and commitment in our hospital system I was expecting them to be more secure .

 

[IanG]

Scomo on Victoria and aged care, so much for we're all in this together. It was in response to being asked if the buck stops with him re aged care, compare his response to what Andrews has been saying:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1295840999583830016

 

[Giardiasis]

Scomo saying COVID vaccination will be mandatory. What a disgrace.

 

[MB78]

Scomo on Victoria and aged care, so much for we're all in this together. It was in response to being asked if the buck stops with him re aged care, compare his response to what Andrews has been saying:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1295840999583830016

That is a transparent quote and more honest in what Andrews has been. ADF proved yesterday Andrews lie yesterday. Refer ABC link I posted above. I don’t really like the answer by Scott Morrison. And I hope the reporters pressed him on the regulations. The issue is the regulations that will need a major update to protect our most vulnerable.

 

[TT33]

Scomo on Victoria and aged care, so much for we're all in this together. It was in response to being asked if the buck stops with him re aged care, compare his response to what Andrews has been saying:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1295840999583830016

That's just Scomo washing hands routine, you're meant to do it for 20 seconds, he's just been doing it for a lot longer.