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Redford

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Agree but don't restrict it to SloMo, Victoria lagging and can't even keep up with minimal supplies they have received so far.

Yeah but why weren't more Victorian hubs authorised by the Feds and set up for phase 1a ? There's like only a handful of them around the entire country.

Trying to do 684,000 phase 1a vaccinations at so few hubs, little wonder its slow progress at this stage.

  • Royal Prince Alfred Hospital (NSW)
  • Westmead Hospital (NSW)
  • Liverpool Hospital (NSW)
  • Monash Medical Centre Clayton (VIC)
  • Sunshine Hospital (VIC)
  • Austin Health (VIC)
  • University Hospital Geelong (VIC)
  • Gold Coast University Hospital (QLD)
  • Cairns Hospital (QLD)
  • Princess Alexandra Hospital (QLD)
  • Royal Adelaide Hospital (SA)
  • Flinders Medical Centre (SA)
  • Perth Children's Hospital (WA)
  • Royal Hobart Hospital (TAS)
  • The Canberra Hospital (ACT)
  • Royal Darwin Hospital (NT)
 
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Yeah but why weren't more Victorian hubs authorised by the Feds and set up for phase 1a ?
Don't know about that, the number of hubs have probably changed since then but below was initial hub set ups. Victoria had 4 hubs and NSW 3.

Not sure that explains Victoria lagging NSW?

Agree all Australia behind schedule, ScoMo and Dan both singing from the same hymn book, slow and steady, it's not a race :rolleyes: We all know that the Tortoise doesn't really beat the Hare:)


Delivering vaccines across the country

Initially vaccines will be delivered through vaccination clinics run by states and territories.

The first Pfizer hubs will be at:


  • Royal Prince Alfred Hospital (NSW)
  • Westmead Hospital (NSW)
  • Liverpool Hospital (NSW)
  • Monash Medical Centre Clayton (VIC)
  • Sunshine Hospital (VIC)
  • Austin Health (VIC)
  • University Hospital Geelong (VIC)
 

Redford

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Don't know about that, the number of hubs have probably changed since then but below was initial hub set ups. Victoria had 4 hubs and NSW 3.

Not sure that explains Victoria lagging NSW?

Agree all Australia behind schedule, ScoMo and Dan both singing from the same hymn book, slow and steady, it's not a race :rolleyes: We all know that the Tortoise doesn't really beat the Hare:)


Delivering vaccines across the country

Initially vaccines will be delivered through vaccination clinics run by states and territories.

The first Pfizer hubs will be at:


  • Royal Prince Alfred Hospital (NSW)
  • Westmead Hospital (NSW)
  • Liverpool Hospital (NSW)
  • Monash Medical Centre Clayton (VIC)
  • Sunshine Hospital (VIC)
  • Austin Health (VIC)
  • University Hospital Geelong (VIC)
That's right. The "slow and steady" approach does not win the race where knocking out CV is concerned. This was highlighted by Fauci and the CDC a few weeks ago where he stated it was absolutely imperative that as many people across the entire world got vaccinated asap. Time was of the essence. He was worried that global inoculation was happening too slowly for his liking. The reason being that new variants are showing up all the time due to ongoing transmission and in turn, becoming increasingly resistant to current vaccines and that, could create a constant lag effect where future vaccines are concerned.

And of course the primary way you slow down the progression of new variants is to get people vaccinated as QUICKLY as possible.
 
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Wuhan lab theory dark cloud on China
Holman Jenkins
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March 10, 2021

A lab accident in Wuhan is unlikely only in the sense that a pandemic virus’s emergence is always the culmination of a series of unlikely events. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be here as a species.

This trillion-to-one collision of circumstances can be simplified in one obvious way. Say, if a human agent collected the most dangerous viruses to study them in the middle of one of the densest population centres on earth. These experimenters would at least have been alert, if all other precautions failed, to a co-worker developing unexplained symptoms. Except that the Sars-Cov-2 virus, once it was loose in a human crowd, showed that it can be spread by people who never develop symptoms.

Preventing future pandemics, being better prepared next time — these are the reasons given for trying to understand how the new coronavirus emerged. But one instance of a virus bridging the species gap the natural way might be an anecdote that doesn’t tell us much about the next risk. The lab theory is the big fork in the road. We might have to reset our risk perceptions dramatically — worry less about humans messing around in animal habitats, worry more about scientists messing around in labs.

On that basis alone, the lab theory is the most important informational chokepoint as we move ahead. But there’s another reason. If the lab theory remains unresolved, especially if China’s refusal to co-operate makes it unresolvable, it will hang over global politics for decades to come even without conspiracy theorists and demagogues taking a hand.

Alas, the World Health Organisation mission is turning into a case of disaster foretold. A credible inquiry requires China’s full co-operation, not just co-operation with those lines of inquiry that are consistent with its own propaganda. And couldn’t somebody have put Peter Daszak, team member from New York City’s EcoHealth Alliance, under permanent mouth quarantine?

To insist that human encroachment on nature is the great risk tells us nothing about what happened in this particular case. To insist, as he did on NPR, that China’s manhandling of the delegation with greeters in full hazmat garb, its forcing of the delegation into quarantine for 14 days, was merely testament to China’s Covid rigour overlooks another possibility: China was seeking to intimidate and dominate the investigators because of the colossal importance it places on controlling the virus narrative.

The WHO’s report, expected next week, need not be a failure if seasoned with proper scepticism. China would have been hard-pressed not to let some new information out of the bag, adding to our store of knowledge. That Beijing emphasised the theory that the virus entered the country in imported frozen food at least tells us about China’s propaganda strategy. This is worth knowing but the WHO’s own gratuitous nods to the frozen-food theory raise anew the question of who really controls the World Health Organisation and to what end.

Mr Daszak tweeted that the group’s meeting with the Wuhan virus lab staff went swimmingly, “key questions asked & answered.” He might have expected a warm welcome since his organisation channelled US research dollars to the lab at one time. Assurances mean nothing without access to the lab’s records. Deleted web pages have been recovered referring to experiments with rabbits and ferret badgers, animals seen as likely vectors for human infection. The lab is reputed to have engaged in “gain-of-function” experiments with bat viruses to which the new coronavirus is closely related.

China could have other reasons, of course, for keeping lab data secret. Its most implausible stonewalling is its unwillingness to supply “highly confidential” patient samples that might show where and when the virus was present prior to the Wuhan outbreak. And it’s obvious why: China has latched onto the good work done in other countries to identify early unrecognised cases of COVID-19 to suggest the virus originated elsewhere and was brought to Wuhan by foreign devils, never mind the virus’s close similarity to bat viruses found in China’s Yunnan province.

It’s time to be realistic. Mr. Daszak and most others long ago figured out there won’t be an unimpeachable answer to the origin question, only a battle of narratives. Politics was destined always to swamp the hunt for COVID-19’s beginnings. The global scourge has become too politically explosive. There was zero chance of China letting the chips fall where they may. There is little chance of the US sacrificing its other dealings with Beijing to get to the bottom of the mystery. In that sense the big “kick me” sign the WHO has placed on itself may be convenient for all who want to get back to relations as usual. Yet I would not bet on the lab theory going gently into that good night. This would be another highly unlikely event given the longstanding fears voiced by so many scientists over the years that such an accident might be the world’s biggest pandemic risk.
 

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Don't know about that, the number of hubs have probably changed since then but below was initial hub set ups. Victoria had 4 hubs and NSW 3.

Not sure that explains Victoria lagging NSW?

Agree all Australia behind schedule, ScoMo and Dan both singing from the same hymn book, slow and steady, it's not a race :rolleyes: We all know that the Tortoise doesn't really beat the Hare:)


Delivering vaccines across the country

Initially vaccines will be delivered through vaccination clinics run by states and territories.

The first Pfizer hubs will be at:


  • Royal Prince Alfred Hospital (NSW)
  • Westmead Hospital (NSW)
  • Liverpool Hospital (NSW)
  • Monash Medical Centre Clayton (VIC)
  • Sunshine Hospital (VIC)
  • Austin Health (VIC)
  • University Hospital Geelong (VIC)

On the other hand Aged Care vaccination is the Commonwealth's responsibility and it was just reported on chl 7 that a Victorian Aged Care facility's vaccinations got cancelled at the last minute as the commonwealth medical team forgot the vaccine :mad::eek:
 

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Yeah but why weren't more Victorian hubs authorised by the Feds and set up for phase 1a ? There's like only a handful of them around the entire country.

Trying to do 684,000 phase 1a vaccinations at so few hubs, little wonder its slow progress at this stage.

  • Royal Prince Alfred Hospital (NSW)
  • Westmead Hospital (NSW)
  • Liverpool Hospital (NSW)
  • Monash Medical Centre Clayton (VIC)
  • Sunshine Hospital (VIC)
  • Austin Health (VIC)
  • University Hospital Geelong (VIC)
  • Gold Coast University Hospital (QLD)
  • Cairns Hospital (QLD)
  • Princess Alexandra Hospital (QLD)
  • Royal Adelaide Hospital (SA)
  • Flinders Medical Centre (SA)
  • Perth Children's Hospital (WA)
  • Royal Hobart Hospital (TAS)
  • The Canberra Hospital (ACT)
  • Royal Darwin Hospital (NT)
The hubs are those storing the vaccine and distributing to others, they are not the only ones doing the vaccinating.
As an example many other hospitals than those on this list that are doing vaccinations.
 
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The hubs are those storing the vaccine and distributing to others, they are not the only ones doing the vaccinating.
As an example many other hospitals than those on this list that are doing vaccinations.

Where are they and why would the federal department of health and DHHS only publish a select few if there’s so many others ?

Why wouldn’t they disclose all vaccination sites for all the critical 1a recipients ? ie so they know where they can go. Maybe that’s one reason the roll out has been so pathetically slow the last few weeks.
 
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Where are they and why would the federal department of health and DHHS only publish a select few if there’s so many others ?

Why wouldn’t they disclose all vaccination sites for all the critical 1a recipients ? ie so they know where to go
Phase 1a recipients are contacted and told where to go to get their vaccination.
Those listed are the distribution and storage hubs
For instance the public hospitals that are vaccinating in the quarantine and health hotels are not even on that list, they get their vaccines from the hubs.
 

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Phase 1a recipients are contacted and told where to go to get their vaccination.
Those listed are the distribution and storage hubs
For instance the public hospitals that are vaccinating in the quarantine and health hotels are not even on that list, they get their vaccines from the hubs.
Fair enough, but regardless the roll out is slow. That simply can not be denied. There is something not right with this at the moment. Murphy had to defend the slow roll out yesterday at a press conference and whilst I respect Murphy, his political response that “We’re not like the us and Uk that have people dying” was absolute rubbish. Someone wants to remind him of the critical need to protect Australians and get this country moving and out of this devastation as quickly as possible. Israel has vaccinated almost its entire country within weeks (8 million people) and apart from international travel, is back to normal functioning.

We’re now 17 days in since the first vaccination. It will change from 1b onwards (hopefully) when production in Melbourne finally gets going and GPs are part of the distribution chain, but right now, using current rates, all of Australia would be vaccinated by around 2030.

Hunt said all of Australia would be vaccinated by the end of October. Given where we are, plus the fact you need two jabs not one, and have between 3 to 12 weeks in between, I’d politely suggest that deadline is gonna be challenging.
 
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Fair enough, but regardless the roll out is slow. That simply can not be denied. There is something not right with this at the moment. Murphy had to defend the slow roll out yesterday at a press conference and whilst I respect Murphy, his political response that “We’re not like the us and Uk that have people dying” was absolute rubbish. Someone wants to remind him of the critical need to protect Australians and get this country moving and out of this devastation as quickly as possible. Israel has vaccinated almost its entire country within weeks (8 million people) and apart from international travel, is back to normal functioning.

We’re now 17 days in since the first vaccination. It will change from 1b onwards (hopefully) when production in Melbourne finally gets going and GPs are part of the distribution chain, but right now, using current rates, all of Australia would be vaccinated by around 2030.

Hunt said all of Australia would be vaccinated by the end of October. Given where we are, plus the fact you need two jabs not one, and have between 3 to 12 weeks in between, I’d politely suggest that deadline is gonna be challenging.
We don’t have the vaccine stocks yet. The other thing you need to understand is that you cannot vaccinate health workers all at once because if they get symptoms they can’t go to work and we wouldn’t have any hospital staff. They have to space 1a’s out
The non health worker staff will roll out much faster and when we get more stocks and GPs/pharmacies involved it will ramp up.
From what I have been told it’s looking pretty good for October or November
 

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We don’t have the vaccine stocks yet. The other thing you need to understand is that you cannot vaccinate health workers all at once because if they get symptoms they can’t go to work and we wouldn’t have any hospital staff. They have to space 1a’s out
The non health worker staff will roll out much faster and when we get more stocks and GPs/pharmacies involved it will ramp up.
From what I have been told it’s looking pretty good for October or November

Victoria has only used about 30% of its stocks. Queensland less. Nsw, to Gladys credit about 75%. And in any case, supply is the Federal Gov’s responsibility. The fact we have one of only a few AZ manufacturing sites in the world, and yet here we apparently are with limited supply, is an indictment on the Feds. AZ is being produced and distributed in bountiful supplies in those few other locations. Australia though ? Ffs we’re having to get AZ supplies from overseas !

We’re approaching 3 weeks in. That’s sufficient space out to have infinitely more 1a’s vaccinated than 100k across numerous aged care and service related domains. There’s minimal symptoms associated with it. The USA and Uk have gone ballistic with vax numbers and haven’t had one single hospital or other service personnel eg police, firies etc shortage at all. None. I’ve got family and friends who have and continue to be front line workers. One had to receive and nurse 75 Covid infected aged care residents in her converted hospital ward. None of them have been vaccinated yet. They’re rightly wondering wtf is going on.

And finally, Conversely, my GP sits on the board of one of Melbourne’s largest hospitals and he’s saying we are waaaay behind.

Here’s hoping as I said earlier, 1a ramps up, doesn’t delay 1b any longer than it already has, and 1b achieves its targets thereon.
 
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Promising development on the treatment efficacy front.

 

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of course the roll out isnt going smoothly. Stuart Robert is the minister responsible. the same guy who was kicked out of cabinet about 10 years for some dodgy behaviour in China, then when he returned to cabinet a few years later decided to charge taxpayers some ridiculous amount for his home internet, then presided over the disaster that was and is robodebt and is now busy destroying the NDIS.
i can only assume he goes to the same church as Morrison cos by his record as an MP he should be far away from anything important.
 
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Victoria has only used about 30% of its stocks. Queensland less. Nsw, to Gladys credit about 75%. And in any case, supply is the Federal Gov’s responsibility. The fact we have one of only a few AZ manufacturing sites in the world, and yet here we apparently are with limited supply, is an indictment on the Feds. AZ is being produced and distributed in bountiful supplies in those few other locations. Australia though ? Ffs we’re having to get AZ supplies from overseas !

We’re approaching 3 weeks in. That’s sufficient space out to have infinitely more 1a’s vaccinated than 100k across numerous aged care and service related domains. There’s minimal symptoms associated with it. The USA and Uk have gone ballistic with vax numbers and haven’t had one single hospital or other service personnel eg police, firies etc shortage at all. None. I’ve got family and friends who have and continue to be front line workers. One had to receive and nurse 75 Covid infected aged care residents in her converted hospital ward. None of them have been vaccinated yet. They’re rightly wondering wtf is going on.

And finally, Conversely, my GP sits on the board of one of Melbourne’s largest hospitals and he’s saying we are waaaay behind.

Here’s hoping as I said earlier, 1a ramps up, doesn’t delay 1b any longer than it already has, and 1b achieves its targets thereon.
I don’t know anything about the aged care rollout.

What I do know about is that the rollout in hospitals is based not only the stocks they have now but in the coming weeks and is on track. Australian hospitals have taken a conservative and no risk view to potential staff shortages in scheduling vaccinations because they can, other countries don’t have that luxury.

I think we also need to remember that in Victoria it is the same staff now doing a vaccination program who have been at the frontline of the response. Many are exhausted and have had little or no leave. Getting GPs and community pharmacists involved with the general population rollout will hopefully alleviate some of that pressure.
 
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I don’t know anything about the aged care rollout.

What I do know about is that the rollout in hospitals is based not only the stocks they have now but in the coming weeks and is on track. Australian hospitals have taken a conservative and no risk view to potential staff shortages in scheduling vaccinations because they can, other countries don’t have that luxury.

I think we also need to remember that in Victoria it is the same staff now doing a vaccination program who have been at the frontline of the response. Many are exhausted and have had little or no leave. Getting GPs and community pharmacists involved with the general population rollout will hopefully alleviate some of that pressure.


You keep going on about stock. We are producing the stock here in Australia. And its slow. Everyone knows it. The CSL production and distribution here in Australia, is behind schedule at the moment. The vector viral vaccine that AZ is, has been in production and distribution in the UK, Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands for some time now. I think the Indian site is also off and running. There's not many of them. CSL has immense production capacity, but here we still are. Hopefully not much longer.

Staff shortages. That is ridiculous. There is no evidence anywhere in the world about staff shortages due to vaccine dispensing. None. That's an incredibly weak cop out/excuse. And our medical system - at least where hospitals are concerned - has been normalised the last 6 or so months. They aren't inundated with patients.

Aged care ? As for your suggestion that phase 1a recipients will be contacted, I've got a friend who has their 80+ year old mother in a home and the home hasn't been contacted or instructed by anyone about any process or detail to follow for vaccinating their residents. They've had to follow up themselves and muddle their way through it on their own. Again, no wonder we are so far behind schedule, presently.

Slo-mo committed to 80,000 vaccinations per week back in January. We've done 100,000 in three weeks.

For now, its slow and behind schedule, and the media and others are right onto it now. Get moving Slo-mo and get CSL and the production and distribution from it up to speed, get a thimble level of stocks from your overseas buddies like some other countries have for their 1a equivalents and get the state governments moving as well (to be fair. )

 
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Sorry to beat a drum, but what have I been saying ?

Supply is a Federal responsibility. We are tracking way off schedule presently. From saying that all Australians would be vaccinated by October to “hoping” all Australians will have at least the first shot by October. Maybe.

How is this happening when on Feb 15 the first vials with vaccine came off the CSL production line in Broadmeadows and Slo Mo told us all that they’d produce 1 million more per week thereafter ?

What is going wrong ?

Sloooo- moooo. Again.

 
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Staff shortages. That is ridiculous. There is no evidence anywhere in the world about staff shortages due to vaccine dispensing. None. That's an incredibly weak cop out/excuse. And our medical system - at least where hospitals are concerned - has been normalised the last 6 or so months. They aren't inundated with patients
I actually work in the system so please don’t tell me it’s ridiculous. Hospitals are nowhere near back to normal. They are still working under covid normal, catching up with months of low elective surgery, supporting hotel quarantine, catching up with a massive backlog of outpatients ...do you want me to go on?

What hospitals are doing is ensuring that if staff show symptoms after the vaccination they don’t go to work because they are COVID symptoms and those staff work in hospitals. Because of this they are vaccinating staff in a way to minimise the risk of staff shortages due to this reason.
 
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Aged care ? As for your suggestion that phase 1a recipients will be contacted, I've got a friend who has their 80+ year old mother in a home and the home hasn't been contacted or instructed by anyone about any process or detail to follow for vaccinating their residents. They've had to follow up themselves and muddle their way through it on their own. Again, no wonder we are so far behind schedule, presently.
i believe aged care residents are phase 1b recipients. AC staff are phase 1a.
 
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I actually work in the system so please don’t tell me it’s ridiculous. Hospitals are nowhere near back to normal. They are still working under covid normal, catching up with months of low elective surgery, supporting hotel quarantine, catching up with a massive backlog of outpatients ...do you want me to go on?

What hospitals are doing is ensuring that if staff show symptoms after the vaccination they don’t go to work because they are COVID symptoms and those staff work in hospitals. Because of this they are vaccinating staff in a way to minimise the risk of staff shortages due to this reason.

Yeah. And I have family and friends who don’t just “work in the system” but have been front line people who were either directly involved in caring for Covid patients or were seconded into it.

They and other general operators in the system in my network say 1) they are back to normal operating routines not the least of which is dealing with the standard elective surgery waitlists, outpatients, other waitlists, delays etc which are always a continuum always (and a poor excuse by you again) and 2) most importantly, want to know wtf is going on with our vaccination program and it’s delays - something that is FACT and you continually want to avoid acknowledging.

Are we behind schedule Sintiger ?

FACT. Yes we are, and it’s getting worse as was disingenuously acknowledged by our Federal Government today.

I don’t want excuses - even those that ironically point to the Feds inadequacy such as co-ordinating supply: are we presently on schedule based on Federal advice or not Sintiger ? No excuses. The Federal Government told us we’d have 684,000 1a’s done by March. Are we on schedule based on that Federal dateline or not Sintiger ?

It’s not unrecoverable, I acknowledge that. But right here and now.....Yes or no ?
 
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