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Scoop

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There is growing dissatisfaction within the Aged Care sector, they are trying to budget and manage facilities based on early projections of the rollout and now they aren’t sure how long they have to stretch for. To a similar degree same-thing with Healthshare Victoria ( the former HPV) which is an unmitigated dog’s breakfast when compared to NSW health.

No one believes Sco-Mo at the frontlines of this battle.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Slo-mo committed to 80,000 vaccinations per week back in January. We've done 100,000 in three weeks.
Maybe there are quality control issues given we're new at this, and some of the produced vaccine has been binned. Wouldn't want to be mass-injecting a brand new vaccine that's "near enough".
 

Redford

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Maybe there are quality control issues given we're new at this, and some of the produced vaccine has been binned. Wouldn't want to be mass-injecting a brand new vaccine that's "near enough".

Well that’s ok R2D2 but has anyone actually said that ?

I fully acknowledge this is a whole new paradigm for the world to deal with. Errors, delays etc are gonna happen. But if there’s stuff like quality control issues, then just **** say so.

But nobody has - or wants to say it has.

Have they ? I’m just askin.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Well that’s ok R2D2 but has anyone actually said that ?

I fully acknowledge this is a whole new paradigm for the world to deal with. Errors, delays etc are gonna happen. But if there’s stuff like quality control issues, then just **** say so.

But nobody has - or wants to say it has. Have they ?
I'm only guessing. If it happened, it's probably not something they would want to unnecessarily trumpet to the world.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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EU to blame for slow vaccine rollout (paywalled)

Health Department secretary Brendan Murphy has blamed the slow start of the national COVID-19 vaccine rollout on delays and roadblocks put up by European Union countries.

The federal government has conceded it will not meet its goal to vaccinate 4m Australians by April – with only more than 100,000 inoculated to this point – and it has raised concerns from business.

Professor Murphy told a senate committee on Thursday “sovereign vaccine issues” in Europe was responsible for the Commonwealth having millions fewer vaccine doses than it planned for in the first phase of the rollout.

“We thought we would get 3.8 million AstraZeneca doses – and for the issues that our committee is well aware of, with sovereign vaccine issues in Europe – we’ve only had 700,000 AstraZeneca vaccines which we’ve deployed as soon as they’ve been tested,” he said.

“The Pfizer vaccine supply chain has also been limited but it’s predictable, but something over 100,000 doses a week has come in since we started our program.

“So that that vaccine supply has been a significant issue.”

Italy blocked 250,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccines last week under EU trade rules, and argued Australia did not need the vaccines to the extent it did.
 

Redford

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EU to blame for slow vaccine rollout (paywalled)

Health Department secretary Brendan Murphy has blamed the slow start of the national COVID-19 vaccine rollout on delays and roadblocks put up by European Union countries.

The federal government has conceded it will not meet its goal to vaccinate 4m Australians by April – with only more than 100,000 inoculated to this point – and it has raised concerns from business.

Professor Murphy told a senate committee on Thursday “sovereign vaccine issues” in Europe was responsible for the Commonwealth having millions fewer vaccine doses than it planned for in the first phase of the rollout.

“We thought we would get 3.8 million AstraZeneca doses – and for the issues that our committee is well aware of, with sovereign vaccine issues in Europe – we’ve only had 700,000 AstraZeneca vaccines which we’ve deployed as soon as they’ve been tested,” he said.

“The Pfizer vaccine supply chain has also been limited but it’s predictable, but something over 100,000 doses a week has come in since we started our program.

“So that that vaccine supply has been a significant issue.”

Italy blocked 250,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccines last week under EU trade rules, and argued Australia did not need the vaccines to the extent it did.

Yeah. You’re actually amplifying my point R2D2.

1) The Federal Government is responsible for supply and given that:

2) How, when we are a primary developer and producer, right here in the country, of the AZ vaccine, (one of only a few in the world) is there a shortage ???

Why on earth are we relying on overseas supply ?

How ? Why ?

Only the Federal Government and Slo Mo can answer that.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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Denmark halts AstraZeneca vaccine over clot fears (paywalled)

Danish health authorities have temporarily suspending the use of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine as a precaution after some patients developed blood clots since receiving the jab.

The move comes “following reports of serious cases of blood clots among people vaccinated with AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine”, the Danish Health Authority said in a statement on Thursday.

But it cautiously added that “it has not been determined, at the time being, that there is a link between the vaccine and the blood clots”.
 

Redford

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First locally-produced batch will be available on March 22, apparently. All going well...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03...ustralian-made-rollout-from-march-22/13220254

Regardless, the Feds assertion that phase 1a - 680,000 - would be achieved in the first 6 weeks simply won’t happen.

And even then, that article is 6 days old.

Today’s announcements mention that ‘Federal government health officials said it was “impossible to predict” exactly when the first 4 million people would receive their first dose, a milestone initially expected by the end of the month.’ March.

That just aint gonna happen either.
 

Sintiger

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Yeah. And I have family and friends who don’t just “work in the system” but have been front line people who were either directly involved in caring for Covid patients or were seconded into it.

They and other general operators in the system in my network say 1) they are back to normal operating routines not the least of which is dealing with the standard elective surgery waitlists, outpatients, other waitlists, delays etc which are always a continuum always (and a poor excuse by you again) and 2) most importantly, want to know wtf is going on with our vaccination program and it’s delays - something that is FACT and you continually want to avoid acknowledging.

Are we behind schedule Sintiger ?

FACT. Yes we are, and it’s getting worse as was disingenuously acknowledged by our Federal Government today.

I don’t want excuses - even those that ironically point to the Feds inadequacy such as co-ordinating supply: are we presently on schedule based on Federal advice or not Sintiger ? No excuses. The Federal Government told us we’d have 684,000 1a’s done by March. Are we on schedule based on that Federal dateline or not Sintiger ?

It’s not unrecoverable, I acknowledge that. But right here and now.....Yes or no ?
I am not going to argue with you except to say a few things. I have said I don’t know anything about what the feds are doing and they supply the vaccine. Supply may well be the problem going forward and Brendan Murphy talked about that yesterday
1. I can’t speak for the people you know only for what I know and am involved in. In that area vaccination is on schedule and is based on known supplies at the moment.
2. It’s possible some front line staff may see things relatively normal in hospitals but they aren’t. There is an enormous wait list for elective surgery much bigger than normal as there is for outpatient appointments. Emergency departments are smashed because beds are short in the system with the catch up. Screening clinics are still open and there is a shortage of nurses and a massive backlog of untaken leave.

Redford, all I can say to you is beyond the politicians and the bureaucrats there is a army of people who have worked their backsides off to keep us all safe. Some of the expectations and criticism gets to people sometimes because they know how hard they are working and how difficult some of this stuff is.

Let’s hope for all our sakes we can get the vaccinations moving and that the ability for GPs and pharmacists to vaccinate will turbo charge the whole thing
 
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Redford

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Redford, all I can say to you is beyond the politicians and the bureaucrats there is a army of people who have worked their backsides off to keep us all safe. Some of the expectations and criticism gets to people sometimes because they know how hard they are working and how difficult some of this stuff is.

Let’s hope for all our sakes we can get the vaccinations moving and that the ability for GPs and pharmacists to vaccinate will turbo charge the whole thing
I know that. My family and friends are part of that. They're obviously not who I am critical of. It's the Federal Government.

Agree. As I've said a few times, it's not unrecoverable and not impossible to get back on track.
 

SpaceAce

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Denmark halts AstraZeneca vaccine over clot fears (paywalled)

Danish health authorities have temporarily suspending the use of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine as a precaution after some patients developed blood clots since receiving the jab.

The move comes “following reports of serious cases of blood clots among people vaccinated with AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine”, the Danish Health Authority said in a statement on Thursday.

But it cautiously added that “it has not been determined, at the time being, that there is a link between the vaccine and the blood clots”.
Italy, Iceland, Noway and Austria have also paused/suspended the rollout of the Astra Zeneca vax.

In Austria a 49 year old nurse died from a blood clot shortly after taking the vaccine.
 

pete and tys

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Italy, Iceland, Noway and Austria have also paused/suspended the rollout of the Astra Zeneca vax.

In Austria a 49 year old nurse died from a blood clot shortly after taking the vaccine.

I will be staggered if the vaccination has anything to do with this.
There is deep angst suspicion and neurosis re this vax for next to no reason.
People the world over die of clots and any number of conditions at a rate of hundreds of thousands every day.
I can think of no logical reason for any association between this vax and any life threatening illness other than acute anaphylaxis which is asociated rarely with any foreign substance.
We desperately need the world vaccinated asap.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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Old habits imperil Iraq as doctors warn of second virus wave


In the busy emergency room of Baghdad’s main public hospital, Ali Abbas stood face uncovered, waiting for his sickly father. Dozens of other patients and their relatives mingled without masks.

It’s a scene that confounds health workers in Iraq, who warn that the country is entering a new wave of coronavirus cases, in part because many shirk precautions.

“I don’t believe in the coronavirus, I believe in God,” the 21-year-old Abbas said in the middle of the hospital floor, defying the facility’s rules requiring masks.

On Friday, Iraq was under its first full day of a new curfew imposed by the government in response to infection rates that have shot back up again after easing last autumn. The curfew runs all day Friday to Sunday, and from 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. the rest of the week. Mosques and schools are closed, large gatherings prohibited, and the wearing of masks and other protective gear will be enforced, according to a statement from the government.

A complete lockdown, including closing airports and borders, is also being considered, two government officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media.

New cases, down under 600 a day just a month ago, have sharply increased, reaching 3,896 a day on Feb. 18 and approaching September’s daily peak of more than 5,000. The Health Ministry says 50% of the new cases are from the new, more infectious strain that first broke out in the U.K. More than 657,000 people have been infected by the virus in Iraq and 13,220 have died since February.

Doctors told The Associated Press they’ve seen the flare-up coming for weeks. They blame a careless public and a government unable to fully enforce virus protocols.

“I am a doctor fighting public ignorance, not the pandemic,” said Mohammed Shahada, a pulmonologist at Baghdad’s al-Zahra Hospital.

At al-Zahra Hospital, the year began with just four patients in the 90-bed isolation ward. By the start of February, that jumped to 30 severe virus patients. Shahada expects more in the coming weeks.

At his private clinic, some patients have walked out rather than abide by his strict face mask requirement, he said.

Ismail Taher, a doctor at Baghdad’s Sheikh Zayed hospital, estimated that only one in 10 people walking into his hospital wear masks.

The Health Ministry said earlier this month that a new wave was being driven by religious activities -- including Friday prayers and visits to shrines -- and large crowds in markets, restaurants, malls and parks, where greetings with handshakes and kisses are the norm.

The ministry also blamed “some people who are openly questioning the existence of the pandemic.”

That’s a common sentiment.

“It’s just the flu,” said Yahya Shammari, a 28-year old college graduate. “I went to the hospital twice with no mask on and I didn’t get infected.”

Rahem Shabib, 32, said he noticed how infection rates dipped following the Shiite Muslim Arbaeen pilgrimage in October. “So God is stronger than COVID-19,” he said.

The Arbaeen brings millions from around the world to Iraq for commemorations connected to the 7th century killing of Imam Hussein, the grandson of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad. This year, Iraq banned foreign pilgrims from attending, considerably reducing the numbers.

Mac Skelton, a medical sociologist at the American University of Iraq in Sulaimaniyah, said the dismissive attitude was not so much rooted in ignorance as in the realities Iraqis face.

Iraqis have endured so many calamities the past few decades, including wars, political violence and sanctions, that COVID-19 “may not stack up as a major problem,” he said.

Also government pandemic policies, centered on hospitals, don’t mesh with how Iraqis cope with illness, said Skelton. Amid years of instability, Iraqis had to come up with their own strategies, because health care was either not available or they distrusted hospitals, which at the height of sectarian fighting became dangerous places to go to.

So they seek out pharmacists, nurses, help from neighbors, or even cross borders to treat illness.

“Most doctors are not that surprised, they know patients would refuse to go to hospital unless they were gasping for air and had no choice,” said Skelton, director of the university’s Institute of Regional and International Studies.

This also suggests Health Ministry statistics, based on tests at government labs, are an undercount, as many Iraqis may forgo testing altogether and opt to recover at home.

Iraq’s centralized health system, largely unchanged since the 1970s, has been ground down by decades of wars, sanctions, and prolonged unrest since the 2003 U.S. invasion. Successive governments have invested little in the sector.

The mingling of virus patients with others has also exacerbated case numbers, doctors said. Shahada’s hospital was once reserved solely for virus patients; but no longer, and COVID-19 patients and others share rooms where CT scans, MRIs and X-rays are taken, Shahada said.

So far, Iraq has not faced shortages in medical supplies or ICU capacity. But that could change if cases soar, doctors said.

The Health Ministry said it plans to begin administering vaccines by the end of March. The government has allocated funds to secure 1.5 million vaccines from Pzifer and signed a contract for 2 million more from AstraZeneca. Little has been announced about how inoculation will proceed.

Now more than ever, government officials worry it will be difficult to change entrenched habits.

As restrictions eased after September, life returned to Iraq. In Baghdad, restaurants are packed and face masks seldom seen. Further south in Basra, residents go about the day as though the pandemic never reached the southern shores, sharing meals in crowded cafes and shaking hands.

“Changing public awareness is the only way to stop another lethal virus outbreak,” Health Minister Hasan al-Tamimi told the AP at the sidelines of a recent press conference.
 

DavidSSS

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Fantastic article. Spot on.


It is a very good article, which surprises me since it was written by economists. I would prefer we had epidemiologists writing about this as they carry more weight since they have expertise in the discipline.

In any case, the government needs to get its s*** together now. There is no excuse for not rolling out the vaccines quickly.

The worry about blood clots is a very slight concern, how many blood clots compared to how many people vaccinated I wonder. In this case I would say there is a lack of correlation as the numbers are very low and more likely to be coincidence than anything else. That said, I am sure the health authorities are investigating as they should.

DS
 
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