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eZyT

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I’ll leave that to the medics experts but remember that it is a multi use vial. Vaccinators are required to go through training. I am not sure what other countries are doing but here it is doctors, nurses and pharmacists.
There is also a requirement to observe people for a period of time after they have the jab and to have medical staff available in case there is an adverse reaction.

I use multi-use vials.

its extremely easy to stay sterile.

obviously im joking about farmers stepping up to serve their country in the war on Covid,

but if a bog standard nurse cant give you a jab, without further accreditation or training,

the worlds gone mad.

intravenous is a touch tricky, intra muscular and sub cutaneous is about as hard as cutting your toenails

Id happily give myself the jab.
 
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Brodders17

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I’ll leave that to the medics experts but remember that it is a multi use vial. Vaccinators are required to go through training. I am not sure what other countries are doing but here it is doctors, nurses and pharmacists.
There is also a requirement to observe people for a period of time after they have the jab and to have medical staff available in case there is an adverse reaction.
So thats a "no" to farmers giving Covid vaccinations?
 

Sintiger

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I use multi-use vials.

its extremely easy to stay sterile.

obviously im joking about farmers stepping up to serve their country in the war on Covid,

but if a bog standard nurse cant give you a jab, without further accreditation or training,

the worlds gone mad.

intravenous is a touch tricky, intra muscular and sub cutaneous is about as hard as cutting your toenails

Id happily give myself the jab.
It’s an online course EZY. If you recall there was a doctor in Queensland who didn’t do it and got it wrong. Nurses can do it as long as they complete the training .
 

eZyT

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It’s an online course EZY. If you recall there was a doctor in Queensland who didn’t do it and got it wrong. Nurses can do it as long as they complete the training .

back when I was a teacher, if the Ed Dept insulted my intelligence and professionalism by making me do an online course about something i studied for 4 years for and I'd done a thousand times,

I just wouldnt do it.

in the end, I became the least accredited teacher in NSW, and left.

as it stands, im probably amongst the least accredited farmers.

these requirement will certainly be an impediment to getting a vaccinated population.

Australia is one huge sheltered workshop.

the reality is, the doctor who OD'd a few old folks probably had a bottle of whisky for breakfast, and actually, the accreditation to allow him to discriminate between 10ml and 100ml

was undertaken in grade 2
 
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Sintiger

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back when I was a teacher, if the Ed Dept insulted my intelligence and professionalism by making me do an online course about something i studied for 4 years for and I'd done a thousand times,

I just wouldnt do it.

in the end, I became the least accredited teacher in NSW, and left.

as it stands, im probably amongst the least accredited farmers.

these requirement will certainly be an impediment to getting a vaccinated population.

Australia is one huge sheltered workshop.

the reality is, the doctor who OD'd a few old folks probably had a bottle of whisky for breakfast, and actually, the accreditation to allow him to discriminate between 10ml and 100ml

was undertaken in grade 2
Fair enough but I work around a lot of doctors and nurses and I have not heard one of them complaining about doing the online training. I don’t think it’s an impediment but what is one is the delay in giving approval to vaccinate to many who have applied and then giving them enough supplies to make vaccinations worthwhile economically for them.
 
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RoarEmotion

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It’s an online course EZY. If you recall there was a doctor in Queensland who didn’t do it and got it wrong. Nurses can do it as long as they complete the training .
Whenever I hear online course I think
Of Kath and Kim. It didn’t work out so well for Kel. Online training (self directed) would almost be the worst possible way to mass educate in my opinion.
 
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Sintiger

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Whenever I hear online course I think
Of Kath and Kim. It didn’t work out so well for Kel. Online training (self directed) would almost be the worst possible way to mass educate in my opinion.
Online training with video is what is required in this case and there are many examples of successful such online ways of learning.
The alternative is to bring thousands in for face to face training which is not practical at all
 

Coburgtiger

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back when I was a teacher, if the Ed Dept insulted my intelligence and professionalism by making me do an online course about something i studied for 4 years for and I'd done a thousand times,

I just wouldnt do it.

It took until my principal basically handcuffed me to a laptop a year after the pandemic started to do the education department's 'infectious disease' online course.

Which was, as expected, a joke, riddled with errors and probably written by someone who had failed upward as a Teacher into a department job and who had never set foot in a research lab, and was only half paying attention as they transcribed out of 'Covid for Dummies'.
 
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Brodders17

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It took until my principal basically handcuffed me to a laptop a year after the pandemic started to do the education department's 'infectious disease' online course.

Which was, as expected, a joke, riddled with errors and probably written by someone who had failed upward as a Teacher into a department job and who had never set foot in a research lab, and was only half paying attention as they transcribed out of 'Covid for Dummies'.
dont confuse online training put together for the sake of ticking a box, by some nuffie who doesnt know what they are talking about with good, meaningful online training designed for actual outcomes.
there is lots of the former, but the latter does exist.
 
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RoarEmotion

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Online training with video is what is required in this case and there are many examples of successful such online ways of learning.
The alternative is to bring thousands in for face to face training which is not practical at all
Depends on the persons background and motivation And how well it is done. Effective online training would have to be paired with field verification and hopefully be instructor led and have interaction during it. im not saying you can’t learn anything online just that it’s a shitty way to train people unless done very well.

If it’s a super simple task analogous to things people already do then agree It may work fine. but in that case it’s a waste of time anayway as isn’t adding any value.
 

Sintiger

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Depends on the persons background and motivation And how well it is done. Effective online training would have to be paired with field verification and hopefully be instructor led and have interaction during it. im not saying you can’t learn anything online just that it’s a shitty way to train people unless done very well.

If it’s a super simple task analogous to things people already do then agree It may work fine. but in that case it’s a waste of time anayway as isn’t adding any value.
It's like anything, only adds value if it is done well.

The training as I understand it is a lot about how to maximise the use of the vaccine and storage and logistics. I assume it also includes the Pfizer vaccine which needs to be mixed with saline and handled and stored carefully as well.
 
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DavidSSS

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Online training is generally inferior to in-person training.

Should only be used where you are teaching a specific task to people who are already trained and experienced in what they do. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists can all do vaccines so teaching them some extra specifics for these vaccines should be fine online. It isn't a totally new task for them, just some specifics they would need to be across.

DS
 

Bunnerz

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Chile and Brazil has had a very big weekend for Covid. Its absolutely everywhere!
Hopefully we are not allowing people from those countries in from next week.
 
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