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Ridley

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It depends. How many of the 9,000 aussie citizens / perm residents in India travelled their since Covid restrictions on leaving Australia have been announced (ie. since around April last year?

There is a big difference between stranded Aussies overseas and those that decided to take the risk of travelling to another country during a pandemic for whatever reason that they did, whether it be a family funeral, wedding, or for work (Michael Slater).

I find it hard to be supportive for those that travelled on a risk weighted decision, when the risk goes against them and they become stranded. If 1 of my family members in the UK died, I wouldn't be travelling to the UK as the risk is too great. I have my brothers wedding next year but I still don't know if I will go as the risk could also be too high. There have been numerous people that have cancelled weddings due to Covid, and remember there were a lot of people who didn't get to go to funerals IN Australia last year. Why should the country take the risk, for a personal decision that others have made??

At the end of the day the governments job is to protect the 25m citizens living in Australia predominantly which is what they are doing. This isn't a racist play, no-one was saying the same when flights from China were banned last year.
Spot on Posh. We should also remember that the second most recent outbreak in Perth was due to someone who travelled to India to get married and returned with the virus.

Given the very unfortunate circumstances in India at the moment this decision is a no brainer until we can get quarantine to a point where it can cope with the increased numbers of infected returnees.
 
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BT Tiger

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It depends. How many of the 9,000 aussie citizens / perm residents in India travelled their since Covid restrictions on leaving Australia have been announced (ie. since around April last year?

There is a big difference between stranded Aussies overseas and those that decided to take the risk of travelling to another country during a pandemic for whatever reason that they did, whether it be a family funeral, wedding, or for work (Michael Slater).

I find it hard to be supportive for those that travelled on a risk weighted decision, when the risk goes against them and they become stranded. If 1 of my family members in the UK died, I wouldn't be travelling to the UK as the risk is too great. I have my brothers wedding next year but I still don't know if I will go as the risk could also be too high. There have been numerous people that have cancelled weddings due to Covid, and remember there were a lot of people who didn't get to go to funerals IN Australia last year. Why should the country take the risk, for a personal decision that others have made??

At the end of the day the governments job is to protect the 25m citizens living in Australia predominantly which is what they are doing. This isn't a racist play, no-one was saying the same when flights from China were banned last year.

I don't know the answer to your initial question Posh, but I could pose a similar question about Australians visiting the UK last year. We didn't threaten our own returning citizens with jail time when things went pear-shaped in the UK, we just dealt with them in hotel quarantine like we should.

If hotel quarantine isn't up to scratch then the federal government should build a dedicated quarantine facility which isn't in the middle of the cities. I'm tired of the hypocrisy of this federal government who have refused to deal proactively with quarantine. They've had 13 months to build a national quarantine facility but instead politicized the Labor states hotel quarantine program whenever there was an outbreak.

When the Vic gov makes a perfectly reasonable pitch for a dedicated facility, old potato head Dutton comes and smacks it down with disdain. 3 days later were announcing jail time punishments for returned travelers...

From what I've read this morning Scomo has already backflipped on the tough stance on this since so many high profile (white) people have criticized the measures. Scomo is nothing but a poll watcher who licks his finger to feel the breeze before making a decision.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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A more accurate analogy would be "There are actually shitloads of lifeboats, but we built them so shoddily that we don't trust them not to leak..."
The whole world has been caught off guard. No country has a fit-for-purpose pandemic handling centre operating in the background in case of a once-a-century random event. We're doing the best we can in the circumstances.

Perhaps those who travelled during the pandemic didn't understand the seriousness of the situation and thought they could carry on their lives as normal. Is that the government's fault?
 

spook

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The whole world has been caught off guard. No country has a fit-for-purpose pandemic handling centre operating in the background in case of a once-a-century random event. We're doing the best we can in the circumstances.
They've had a year to build one. They have Christmas Island. They have army facilities outside Darwin. They have instead made it illegal for Australians to return to Australia. They would not have done this if it was the UK or US. We know this because they didn't. They are a disgrace.
 
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tigerman

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Still trying to get back to see my mum and see the Tigers win this years GF .. late Sept / Oct Maybe flights to Aus are an issue .. or Jan /Feb 2022 things are not great esp in the south of the country .. curfew till Oct etc travel permits needed to travel etc here and the Chinese have given there sinovac vac to countries here .. doesn't sound very effective
I feel for you DJ, stay healthy.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach

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They've had a year to build one. They have Christmas Island. They have army facilities outside Darwin. They have instead made it illegal for Australians to return to Australia. They would not have done this if it was the UK or US. We know this because they didn't. They are a disgrace.
People are getting sick and dying in India twice as fast as anywhere else, and they're just the official figures. They also have at least three mutations running riot which are afflicting younger people than elsewhere. It is out of control, literally.
 

spook

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People are getting sick and dying in India twice as fast as anywhere else, and they're just the official figures. They also have at least three mutations running riot which are afflicting younger people than elsewhere. It is out of control, literally.
All the more reason to get Australians out of there asap. At the very least vaccinate them.
 

The Big Richo

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"Sure, you can go to India."

"Don't come home or we'll throw you in jail."

This government is a *smile* ing disgrace.

This is where I feel for the guys left there.

Everyone had to get permission to go and were told things like you will have to pay for quarantine, you will have to organise flights yourself and that could be difficult and expensive etc, etc....

We certainly weren't ever told that if things went south badly then we could be locked out altogether, unless I missed it in the fine print, and we certainly weren't ever advised not to go, outside of the standard travel warnings.

It's easy to say don't go in the first place but for me for example, that is my entire earnings for the year. At the time when we went the situation was fine in India and to withdraw would have been seen as quite disrespectful and made it very difficult to get that work again.

I know Slats went off a bit half-cocked but I understand why he feels let down as an Australian citizen.
 
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Harry

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feel for the cricketers who were chasing their million dollar contracts in the middle of a pandemic who are now stuck in India.

even more so for the millions of poor people who had the virus brought to them and have no where to run.
 

LeeToRainesToRoach

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For me the difference is you've asked the government if it is ok for you to go to North Korea and they have said yes.
You would want to have a pretty good reason to go. My reasoning would be that it needs to be a reason worth risking my life for.

The cricketers have pulled out of plenty of tours to problem spots. The only difference here is the obscene money on offer for IPL.
 
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mrposhman

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I don't know the answer to your initial question Posh, but I could pose a similar question about Australians visiting the UK last year. We didn't threaten our own returning citizens with jail time when things went pear-shaped in the UK, we just dealt with them in hotel quarantine like we should.

If hotel quarantine isn't up to scratch then the federal government should build a dedicated quarantine facility which isn't in the middle of the cities. I'm tired of the hypocrisy of this federal government who have refused to deal proactively with quarantine. They've had 13 months to build a national quarantine facility but instead politicized the Labor states hotel quarantine program whenever there was an outbreak.

When the Vic gov makes a perfectly reasonable pitch for a dedicated facility, old potato head Dutton comes and smacks it down with disdain. 3 days later were announcing jail time punishments for returned travelers...

From what I've read this morning Scomo has already backflipped on the tough stance on this since so many high profile (white) people have criticized the measures. Scomo is nothing but a poll watcher who licks his finger to feel the breeze before making a decision.

I agree with the argument around the dedicated quarantine facilities and this will become more prevalent. The government has already highlighted that some level of quarantine may be required up until 2023. By then I'm sure we will have more travel bubbles than just with NZ so either we block up hotels (spending a lot of money) or we build these facilities. I would think there would absolutely be a good ROI on it. Not sure why they are dragging their feet so much on it.,

From what I can tell, the level of transmission and positive tests within HQ has shot up and that is related to India.

If people have chosen to go there, then they take the risk if they can't get home. A lot of this was personal choice and there are a lot of people in Australia that have family overseas. Other than my kids I have no other family in Victoria. I'd love to see my family but I can't due to the risk of flights etc. Other people seem to see this differently and seem like they should be able to come and go as they please.

Its also in the stats, by far and away the highest numbers of arrivals and leavers come from 2 countries, China and India. The rest largely seem to be doing the right thing.
 
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If people have chosen to go there, then they take the risk if they can't get home.

I agree with what you've said except for the quote above.

As per TBR's first hand account, the advice for travellers was you'll end up in hotel quarantine upon your return, not that you'll be thrown in jail or fined. That is a significant change in policy.
 
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DavidSSS

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They've had a year to build one. They have Christmas Island. They have army facilities outside Darwin. They have instead made it illegal for Australians to return to Australia. They would not have done this if it was the UK or US. We know this because they didn't. They are a disgrace.

This.

When the virus was running rampant in the US and the UK there were no threats that people would be gaoled if they returned to Australia from either of those countries, despite the fact that the UK variant was known to be more contagious.

The government needs to explain why they are applying different rules for India.

As for quarantine facilities, the pandemic has been going for 12 months. If they can't get their act together and organise safe quarantine facilities outside the centre of town in 12 months they should quit because they are not competent to organise a p*** up in a brewery let alone run a national government.

I was also stunned that the Victorian government's proposal for quarantine facilities was a plan to build these by September. September? Really? I hope they mean September 2020 because this should have been done months ago. Doesn't help that the incompetent Feds have done nothing about proper quarantine, apart from try and avoid responsibility.

Then there is the vaccination clusterf***. If you think we will be fine look at what is happening in South Korea now, increases in infections and not enough vaccine.

DS
 
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