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pete and tys

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I was able to get a 1st Pfizer jab for my 16yr old Grandson today had to travel a bit but it was worth it. I also booked him (locally) for his 2nd in late October. This means he will be double vaxxed before the date of the original 1st dose that I had previously been able book.

I'm one happy Grandpappy :D
It is absurd that it should be so difficult to get vaccinated.
We have had many many months to prepare for this..12 at the very least.
It should be possible to walk into a mass vax hub 24 hours in say half a dozen suburban locations around the city.
Just takes internet for electronic recording, staff to line them up, vaccinate, send home.
Could do tens of thousands every 24 hours. Supply dependent obviously .
It really is just like a flu vax and needs no special management .
We are doing much better but it is ridiculous that it is still so hard.
Note at the NRL game in Rockhampton people got vaxed as they came into the ground.
It s a race, really, to get vaccinated, out of lockdown and lose as few lives as possible in the process.
 
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DavidSSS

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My partner showed me a social media post today which said that in the USA 8 times as many Republicans as Democrats are dying from COVID as they are far less likely to be vaccinated. Make of it what you will but I know which group I reckon is doing better out of this stand off about vaccination.

DS
 
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Ian4

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I don't disagree with you Ian but I fear we may be waiting a long time to get to 90%. We will be getting well into the recalcitrants at that level
Hope I am wrong

I hope you’re wrong too. We can only hope that the people dragging their feet will finally change their mind on vaccinations once we start to open and they wake up to a new reality where they are locked out of everywhere.

The southern States - would they have higher rates of belief in religion? Is there a correlation between religious belief and anti-vax stance?

In the USA, there is a correlation between education standards and religious belief... the states with lower education standards have higher rates of believers. I reckon the anti-vax stance is a bit of both... lack of education and a lack of acceptance of science.
 
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DavidSSS

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Do the children of anti-vaxxers have the polio shot and the MMR shot? Given we are over 95% in getting these shots into kids I can't see why we can't get to 90% with the COVID shot.

People need to just get out and have their shots, we all had vaccinations as kids, no question as the research had already been done, and we know that we don't want polio, measles, mumps or rubella back.

DS
 
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Sintiger

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My partner showed me a social media post today which said that in the USA 8 times as many Republicans as Democrats are dying from COVID as they are far less likely to be vaccinated. Make of it what you will but I know which group I reckon is doing better out of this stand off about vaccination.

DS
I guess one silver lining may be that it will become less likely that Trump gets back in if his supporters are dying .
 
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pete and tys

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Do the children of anti-vaxxers have the polio shot and the MMR shot? Given we are over 95% in getting these shots into kids I can't see why we can't get to 90% with the COVID shot.

People need to just get out and have their shots, we all had vaccinations as kids, no question as the research had already been done, and we know that we don't want polio, measles, mumps or rubella back.

DS
Over 5% , or over one in twenty parents refuse to vaccinate their children against fatal but completly preventable illnesses..go figure that.
Another 5% roughly vaccinate their kids because of govt financial incentives to do so.

So at least 10% of children would otherwise not be vaccinated. If you assume they have two parents, for two kids roughly, then 10 % of adults will not choose to be vaccinated.
Add to that the media driven vax fear that I have seen personally in vulnerable but also some intelligent people, then add aged confusion, general disinterest and stupidity, and you will get close to 20 % refusal to vaccinate without trouble.

We will only get to 80% and more with incentives. Hopefully refused access to bars etc will drive that.
 

spook

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If Covid kills off mostly stupid people, I guess it has a silver lining.

Dumbarses have been holding humanity back since well before Moses got high on DMT.
 
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MB78

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This link I find is better. Ive been checking it out as it covers all doses ( State & Fed) providing a true picture of Victorian vaccines administered

76,998 doses administered yesterday in Victoria
They update them in the afternoon once the Federal Government release their numbers. For the vaccination run rate which I’m talking in this instance this is a better source as they use the 1st dose projections to come up with their fully vaccinated number. The other site uses the 2nd dose vaccination numbers to do their projections. This is flawed logic if 1st doses are going at twice the rate of 2nd doses it will show that it’s going to take a lot longer than the reality. Political point scoring governments will be using your numbers so that they can all pat themselves on the back. So all governments.
 
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MB78

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My partner showed me a social media post today which said that in the USA 8 times as many Republicans as Democrats are dying from COVID as they are far less likely to be vaccinated. Make of it what you will but I know which group I reckon is doing better out of this stand off about vaccination.

DS
The Greens voters, Palmer voters and most inland Queensland voters will fit into this category.
 

MB78

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Have a look at the attached. A few trends that I can see from this data of over 1,000 people surveyed. Dan Andrews approval rating recovers when he opens up playgrounds and regional Victoria.

States that have not been impacted as much with lockdowns think Scott Morrison is doing a good job compared to NSW and Victoria.

6% of Australians will never be vaccinated. Of these you are 3 times more likely to be an ALP voter, and twice as likely to be an Greens voter than a Coalition voter.
This may explain why Melbourne is the worst in the state.

 

vinpaul

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I guess one silver lining may be that it will become less likely that Trump gets back in if his supporters are dying .
You’re normally a pretty measured poster but that’s a very poor comment.
In fact a few people on this thread may do well to stop being so abusive towards people who are yet to be vaccinated, l think you would find more sub groups than just ‘anti vaxxers’.
 

MD Jazz

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I see Singapore may need to go back to lockdown despite 80 per cent double dosed.
Deaths of both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Worst day of year today.
No fully vaccinated person has died there in the past 28 days according to a report I just read. Fully vaccinated are in ICU though. Let’s not start too much fear mongering
 
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RoarEmotion

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You’re normally a pretty measured poster but that’s a very poor comment.
In fact a few people on this thread may do well to stop being so abusive towards people who are yet to be vaccinated, l think you would find more sub groups than just ‘anti vaxxers’.

What would the sub groups be other than anti vax?

U12
U16 not yet had access
Waiting for preferred vax
Health condition makes vax health risk greater than Covid

Others?
 

Sintiger

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You’re normally a pretty measured poster but that’s a very poor comment.
In fact a few people on this thread may do well to stop being so abusive towards people who are yet to be vaccinated, l think you would find more sub groups than just ‘anti vaxxers’.
I can see how you may take my comment that way but please look at the context of it being made. It was in reply to a post that said Republicans were dying of COVID at a rate 8 times that of Democrats. In that way it was a statement of fact that Trump voters are literally dying off. Given the US has over 680,000 deaths from COVID that would not be insignificant.
I would prefer that the US hadn’t had 0.2% of it population die of COVID but they have. My attempt at black humour was noting a bi-product of that
 
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