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Baloo

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and there is more than "protesting" going on. Threats made against individuals, concerted hacking attacks , coordinated intimidation of people on social media including the use of bots.
The cult is well organised and funded. There's been talk that a lot of the global coordination for the anti-mask/vax/lockdown globally is based in Germany. These protests are never planned as peaceful protests.
 
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pete and tys

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We need to see a real plan that is ambitious today. The below shows 5th November 2021 we will be 80% vaccinated. But we should be able to get there quicker. The State hubs can reduce the time you wait between Pfizer shots from 6 weeks to 4 (GP’s are apparently doing 3 to 4 weeks is what I’m reading). And Moderna is here this coming week from pharmacies. This should see us doing well over 100k of doses per day. This hasn’t been done here yet.

Talk about how we can have a Melbourne cup with crowds, talk about when all kids can go back to school. Talk about how a pub, restaurant etc can have sufficient people to trade with density limits. We need to see clear light at the end of the tunnel. And many areas in regional Victoria will hit the 70% and 80%, quicker so trial the future plans here through October after the school holidays.



Yes.. and needs to let fully vaxed people out asap.
November 80% vax is too far away. We have all had a gut full of strict lockdown, especially when there is nothing and has been nothing in many areas for a year.
The boundaries are too rigid and not focused enough. I understand why but it is just too much to take now.
Some out side activities like cafes, golf, travel to holiday homes, visit family in country.
Useless changes like no curfew, school return , 25 ks ...are of no value. Nil. I am really angry.
There is zero reason to lock up fully vaxed people from rural areas, golf, cafes and family or walks at the beach.
It is no longer science. It is rigid Andrews obsession now.
 
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eZyT

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Of course there is. It is well known that COVID spreads less easily when people live an outside lifestyle. It is also well known that density of living has a major effect which is why despite warmer temperature places like Indonesia, India and others have had major problems.

Winter in the developed world had lead to more infections as people stay inside, see Europe and the US. Look at Melbourne's current outbreak and where the infections are. They are in areas with higher density living, multi generations in the same house and lower socio economic groups. They are less likely to be vaccinated as well and add winter into the mix.

In countries like Cambodia, Vietnam and The Philippines the outbreaks have been primarily in cities where the outdoor living is offsett by higher density living.

Our opening up in Victoria will be at a time where the weather is getting better, which is a good thing

yes, but the QANON bloke had a 2 hour massage, presumably not under a pandanus tree on the beach, and a school kid wasn't in outdoor classrooms.
 

TigerMasochist

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Don't condone the thugs n punch ons but I'm bloody amazed there hasn't been a heap more protests n non compliance with the constant lock downs. Bloody nothing but sheep shuffling along nowadays.
 

MB78

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Yes.. and needs to let fully vaxed people out asap.
November 80% vax is too far away. We have all had a gut full of strict lockdown, especially when there is nothing and has been nothing in many areas for a year.
The boundaries are too rigid and not focused enough. I understand why but it is just too much to take now.
Some out side activities like cafes, golf, travel to holiday homes, visit family in country.
Useless changes like no curfew, school return , 25 ks ...are of no value. Nil. I am really angry.
There is zero reason to lock up fully vaxed people from rural areas, golf, cafes and family or walks at the beach.
It is no longer science. It is rigid Andrews obsession now.
I was speaking to a nursing home worker yesterday. They were saying how even their positive easy going patients are losing all purpose with a lack visiting etc. They are finding that many are just wanting to die. Spoke about how they would be looking to do a few drives but they can’t get into any cafes etc. He said it’s so heartbreaking but no one from the industry will speak up as you can’t have what happened last year.

Andrews needs to lift us up today.
 
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MB78

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View attachment 13587 Please tell me what’s happening here to this 70yo lady who is harmless who was thrown to the ground and pepper sprayed . . Seriously i am glad I have relocated to the GC and left this rubbish . Absolute disgrace by government and police which they have caused !! . Enjoy your rules , I am off to surf club to have another beer
That photo is embarrassing for the police force. I think all protesters are being selfish as it gives more opportunities to spread the virus.

I think the police should have let them go and do their thing. If they caused any property damage or were in anyway not peaceful than you do what you need to do.
 
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Sintiger

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yes, but the QANON bloke had a 2 hour massage, presumably not under a pandanus tree on the beach, and a school kid wasn't in outdoor classrooms.
Not everyone catches COVID when coming into contact with someone who has. On average a COVID positive person with Delta strain and no restrictions on movement and no social distancing will infect 8 other people but they will have contact with far more than that
 
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22nd Man

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I was speaking to a nursing home worker yesterday. They were saying how even their positive easy going patients are losing all purpose with a lack visiting etc. They are finding that many are just wanting to die. Spoke about how they would be looking to do a few drives but they can’t get into any cafes etc. He said it’s so heartbreaking but no one from the industry will speak up as you can’t have what happened last year.

Andrews needs to lift us up today.

This is a disgrace. The only metric that nursing home operators the health authorities politicians and class action lawyers accept now in Aged care is zero covid deaths. Even when there have been no community lockdowns there has been visiting limitations.
In the best of times the average stay is under three years. This means many will have go into care under lockdown regimes will have died of normal causes during covid. Others will have had a large part of their last years made worse.

This is where "health advice" seems to be very one dimensional. And not driven by the best interests of the PATIENT.
 

22nd Man

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That photo is embarrassing for the police force. I think all protesters are being selfish as it gives more opportunities to spread the virus.

I think the police should have let them go and do their thing. If they caused any property damage or were in anyway not peaceful than you do what you need to do.
Interesting point.. if cops just melted away
.. what would the mob have done....marched through town and the gone home? Probably not....would likely lead to looting USA style.
 
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BT Tiger

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There's been a bit of talk about how NSW numbers are going down or stabilising which is obviously a good news, but their testing rates has gone down from 300000 per day in late August, to less than 100000 today.

Surely it's too optimistic to claim the Sydney wave has plateaued with such a dramatic downturn in testing? And I presume they still are forcing the contruction industry to have a test every 3 days, so their testing rates were already inflated.
 

mrposhman

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Useless changes like no curfew, school return , 25 ks ...are of no value. Nil. I am really angry.

School return is useless??? Seriously? Clearly you have no-one in your family currently in school. The impact home learning has had on school age children not only from a learning capacity but also social development is profound.
 
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Brodders17

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True. Is there such a thing as even more off their heads.

Going to be tricky for local sporting clubs to police the double jab mandate for participants.
Thats true. but many people will get vaccinated for fear of missing out.
 
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IanG

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I was speaking to a nursing home worker yesterday. They were saying how even their positive easy going patients are losing all purpose with a lack visiting etc. They are finding that many are just wanting to die. Spoke about how they would be looking to do a few drives but they can’t get into any cafes etc. He said it’s so heartbreaking but no one from the industry will speak up as you can’t have what happened last year.

Andrews needs to lift us up today.

But if the virus gets back into the aged care sector what then...... My parents are in an independent living facility but are coping. We are able to visit them one by one.
 

IanG

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School return is useless??? Seriously? Clearly you have no-one in your family currently in school. The impact home learning has had on school age children not only from a learning capacity but also social development is profound.

Worth noting as well that the Vic and NSW plans are quite similar, both driven by the modelling.
 
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eZyT

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True. Is there such a thing as even more off their heads.

Going to be tricky for local sporting clubs to police the double jab mandate for participants.

not really. you usually have to present a birth certificate when you sign up to a team.

a certificate is a certificate,

and you can either present one or you cant?