-
IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.
PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
Greetings fellow Tiger Tragic's, very LONG time read.
The reason for me to finally post is after reading through a number of threads recently and seeing the blind faith shown in our List Manager, Craig Cameron. I'll admit I knew nothing of Craig before he was signed as initially, head of recruiting and more recently, our List Manager.
I undertook some research to find out a little more about Cameron as a recruiter and as a List Manager. I have to admit, I am not nearly as excited as some on these boards and to be perfectly honest.... I hold some pretty grave concerns regarding his previous tenure at Melbourne. Looking at the current MFC list, it is absolutely diabolical and they are so far away from even being competitive, you have to wonder about there future in the AFL.
So, on with research....Recruited to Melbourne's recruitment Department in 1997. His actual recruiting of players is nothing short of completely unwhelming and in all honesty.. I'd go as far to say that he has played a big part in where that club now finds itself. Let's look at the breakdown:
1998 ND:
Pick 13: Chris Lamb - Failure
Pick 60: Luke Speers- Failure
Traded Pick 31 for Scott Chisolm. Traded Pick 49 for Nick Carter. Failures.
Preseason Draft: Troy Simmonds - Success.
Failure.
1999 ND:
Pick 19 - Brad Green - Success
Pick 20 - Paul Wheatley - Success
Pick 42 - Michael J Clarke - Failure
Pick 50 - Matthew Whelan - Success
Pick 64 - Cameron Bruce - Success
Trades: Stephen Powell: Failure?
Preseason: James Cook, Stephen Pitt and Simon Godfrey? Umm??
You'd have to call it a success.
2000 ND:
Pick 16: Scott Thompson - The Adelaide version, I did some hunting around, they got pick 12 some years later, so thats a win.
Pick 62: Daniel Breese - Failure
Pick 73: Ross Funcke.... lol, after us.... Failure.
Pick 80: Mitchell Craig - Failure
No trades, but I couldn't find the pick in between 16 and 62, apparently, taken from them due to salary cap issues.
Preseason Nick Gill - Delisted - Failure
Hard to judge with that important second pick gone... but it wasn't looking good.
2001 ND:
Pick 9: Luke Molan - Failure, never played a game.
Pick 25: Steven Armstrong: Failure, still plays sh!t football with WCE.
Pick 26: Aaron Rogers: Failure, played about 2 games.
Pick55: Brad Miller
Traded Farmer to Fremantle for Pick 17, which they gave to Geelong for Clint Bizzell along with pick 41, Traded Pick 56 to Adelaide for Peter Vardy, Traded Troy Simmonds to Fremantle and got Craig Ellis from The Bulldogs who got Daniel Bandy.
Epic Failure.
2002 ND:
Pick 14: Daniel Bell: Can't comment but according to David Schwarz on SEN, he's gone.
Pick 15: Nick Smith: Failure
Pick 26: Jared Rivers, Success, good player
Pick 39: Gary Moorecroft, Epic Failure
Pick 54: Cameron Hunter, Failure
Pick 66: Ryan Ferguson: Failure
Traded Pick 12 for Chris Heffernan and Pick 15
Traded Shane Woewodin for Pick 14.
Failure.
2003 ND:
Pick 3: Colin Sylvia: Not sure how to rate him.... I don't think he's done pick 3 a service.
Pick 5: Brock McLean: He goes very well: Definate Success.
Pick 36: Chris Johnson - whoever he is
Traded pick 21 for Ben Holland - lol Thanks for that!
Got Phil Read in the PSD and Aaron Davey in the Rookie Draft
You'd expect more with 3 5 and 21 that Sylvia McLean and Holland.
2004 ND
Pick 13: Matthew Bate - No champion, good flanker
Pick 15: Lynden Dunn - My guess is he'll be delisted, couldn't play a regular game and came under the pump by David Schwarz doing the Melbourne review.
Pick 43: Michael Newton - Still plays but from what I've seen, which is limited.... I don't think he'll make it.
Traded Scott Thompson to Adelaide for pick 12... WTF! and used that Pick 12 to get Brent Moloney from Geelong.... EPIC FAILURE... Scott Thompson is a gun.\ Traded Darren Jolly to Sydney for pick 15...... Sydney the clear winner.
Failure.
2005 ND:
Pick 12: Nathan Jones: Goes alright... but Pick 12 but with Birchall, Varcoe, Hughes Ibbotson, McKinley, Vince and Douglas all taken after... not so good.
Pick 53: Simon Buckley: The guy with the big teeth from sunday.... it isn't looking good.
Traded 28 and 44 for Byron Pickett and 53 - Epic Failure.
2006 ND:
Pick 12: James Frawley - Word is he is set to be used as trade bait, again courtesy of the media. You'd have to say this is a massive failure.
Pick 30: Ricky Petterd - Has been re-signed.
Absolute failure with Pick 12 being used on Frawley:Reiwoldt, Sellar, Brown, Hampson, Jetta, Djerrkura, Edwards, Tippett, the list goes on......
I won't use 2007, too early to tell...
Epic failures in the first round.
That to me does nothing to tell me this is the right man going forward, but lets go on....
Became General Manager of List Management in 2005
Responsible for giving Jeff White, Brad Green, Cameron Bruce, Travis Johnson and Adem Yze massive pay increases, along with Clint Bizzell that fat 350k a year deal for 2 years when he was finished.........
I'm genuinely scared for our future with this guy in charge of all our list management.
The reason for me to finally post is after reading through a number of threads recently and seeing the blind faith shown in our List Manager, Craig Cameron. I'll admit I knew nothing of Craig before he was signed as initially, head of recruiting and more recently, our List Manager.
I undertook some research to find out a little more about Cameron as a recruiter and as a List Manager. I have to admit, I am not nearly as excited as some on these boards and to be perfectly honest.... I hold some pretty grave concerns regarding his previous tenure at Melbourne. Looking at the current MFC list, it is absolutely diabolical and they are so far away from even being competitive, you have to wonder about there future in the AFL.
So, on with research....Recruited to Melbourne's recruitment Department in 1997. His actual recruiting of players is nothing short of completely unwhelming and in all honesty.. I'd go as far to say that he has played a big part in where that club now finds itself. Let's look at the breakdown:
1998 ND:
Pick 13: Chris Lamb - Failure
Pick 60: Luke Speers- Failure
Traded Pick 31 for Scott Chisolm. Traded Pick 49 for Nick Carter. Failures.
Preseason Draft: Troy Simmonds - Success.
Failure.
1999 ND:
Pick 19 - Brad Green - Success
Pick 20 - Paul Wheatley - Success
Pick 42 - Michael J Clarke - Failure
Pick 50 - Matthew Whelan - Success
Pick 64 - Cameron Bruce - Success
Trades: Stephen Powell: Failure?
Preseason: James Cook, Stephen Pitt and Simon Godfrey? Umm??
You'd have to call it a success.
2000 ND:
Pick 16: Scott Thompson - The Adelaide version, I did some hunting around, they got pick 12 some years later, so thats a win.
Pick 62: Daniel Breese - Failure
Pick 73: Ross Funcke.... lol, after us.... Failure.
Pick 80: Mitchell Craig - Failure
No trades, but I couldn't find the pick in between 16 and 62, apparently, taken from them due to salary cap issues.
Preseason Nick Gill - Delisted - Failure
Hard to judge with that important second pick gone... but it wasn't looking good.
2001 ND:
Pick 9: Luke Molan - Failure, never played a game.
Pick 25: Steven Armstrong: Failure, still plays sh!t football with WCE.
Pick 26: Aaron Rogers: Failure, played about 2 games.
Pick55: Brad Miller
Traded Farmer to Fremantle for Pick 17, which they gave to Geelong for Clint Bizzell along with pick 41, Traded Pick 56 to Adelaide for Peter Vardy, Traded Troy Simmonds to Fremantle and got Craig Ellis from The Bulldogs who got Daniel Bandy.
Epic Failure.
2002 ND:
Pick 14: Daniel Bell: Can't comment but according to David Schwarz on SEN, he's gone.
Pick 15: Nick Smith: Failure
Pick 26: Jared Rivers, Success, good player
Pick 39: Gary Moorecroft, Epic Failure
Pick 54: Cameron Hunter, Failure
Pick 66: Ryan Ferguson: Failure
Traded Pick 12 for Chris Heffernan and Pick 15
Traded Shane Woewodin for Pick 14.
Failure.
2003 ND:
Pick 3: Colin Sylvia: Not sure how to rate him.... I don't think he's done pick 3 a service.
Pick 5: Brock McLean: He goes very well: Definate Success.
Pick 36: Chris Johnson - whoever he is
Traded pick 21 for Ben Holland - lol Thanks for that!
Got Phil Read in the PSD and Aaron Davey in the Rookie Draft
You'd expect more with 3 5 and 21 that Sylvia McLean and Holland.
2004 ND
Pick 13: Matthew Bate - No champion, good flanker
Pick 15: Lynden Dunn - My guess is he'll be delisted, couldn't play a regular game and came under the pump by David Schwarz doing the Melbourne review.
Pick 43: Michael Newton - Still plays but from what I've seen, which is limited.... I don't think he'll make it.
Traded Scott Thompson to Adelaide for pick 12... WTF! and used that Pick 12 to get Brent Moloney from Geelong.... EPIC FAILURE... Scott Thompson is a gun.\ Traded Darren Jolly to Sydney for pick 15...... Sydney the clear winner.
Failure.
2005 ND:
Pick 12: Nathan Jones: Goes alright... but Pick 12 but with Birchall, Varcoe, Hughes Ibbotson, McKinley, Vince and Douglas all taken after... not so good.
Pick 53: Simon Buckley: The guy with the big teeth from sunday.... it isn't looking good.
Traded 28 and 44 for Byron Pickett and 53 - Epic Failure.
2006 ND:
Pick 12: James Frawley - Word is he is set to be used as trade bait, again courtesy of the media. You'd have to say this is a massive failure.
Pick 30: Ricky Petterd - Has been re-signed.
Absolute failure with Pick 12 being used on Frawley:Reiwoldt, Sellar, Brown, Hampson, Jetta, Djerrkura, Edwards, Tippett, the list goes on......
I won't use 2007, too early to tell...
Epic failures in the first round.
That to me does nothing to tell me this is the right man going forward, but lets go on....
Became General Manager of List Management in 2005
Responsible for giving Jeff White, Brad Green, Cameron Bruce, Travis Johnson and Adem Yze massive pay increases, along with Clint Bizzell that fat 350k a year deal for 2 years when he was finished.........
I'm genuinely scared for our future with this guy in charge of all our list management.